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It's no contest, Bush was/is a far worse spender
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I wish I could take credit for it. Someone posted this link http://www.classicalvalues.com/archi...planation.html about the tax system and that was in there. It just stuck in my head ever since.Comment -
nope. Remember, there are some here that understand how the US government runs and won't be fooled. We all know the congress controls spending. Who had teh senate and House from 2006 to 2010? Yes, the democrats. Who let the debt increase? Bush by himself? Not a chance. Clinton had a surplus due the Newt and the GOP not allowing him to over spend. The debt ceiling is at 17 Trillion and the US is downgraded. This isn't Bush's doing. Maybe he allowed the spending to get out of hand, we can agree there, but it's gotten real stupid since 2008 with no results. These are facts. Spin away.http://legalschnauzer.blogspot.com/2...ng-its-no.html
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http://legalschnauzer.blogspot.com/2...ng-its-no.html
It's no contest, Bush was/is a far worse spender
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worth posting the image itself for the Republicans .. if I've learned nothing else over the past few months in here - its that they tend to be able to follow an argument better if it is posted alongside a pretty picture that they can look at.http://legalschnauzer.blogspot.com/2...ng-its-no.html
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jw were all those things on the left discontinued by Obama?
Also ridiculous to count unrealized revenue in tax cuts, but I wouldn't try to explain that one to someone who will not understand.
Also its important to note that Obama's health care cost is totally inaccurate if you account for what it will cost when its applied.Comment -
Tax cuts can't be measured as a cost. That's ridiculous. It is near impossible to predict tax revenue at set rates, let alone when there are changes to it. There are too many factors. But hey, the propaganda wouldn't look nearly as good without it, right?
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If you put a huge ass hole in the bottom of the boat .. you can't complain when it sinks.
Obama took over when the boat was 2/3rds full with water ..
You are asking "why didn't he just plug the hole" without realizing that he is still bailing out water in order to find out where the huge ass hole that the Republicans put in the ship is in the first place ... and each time he gets close to finding it ... a Republican tells him that "This is not the hole that you are looking for"
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Where did this graph come from? The more I look at it the more discrepancies I see.
I asked a simple question...Did he discontinue those things on the left?Comment -
... not easy to put a stop on a runaway train. It's spending that has already been committed to.
Spending has slowed and turned around now after the (intentional) reckless spending of Bush.
Bush Says Dwindling Surplus Will Halt Government Growth
Ten years ago yesterday.
President Bush said today that there was a benefit to the government's fast-dwindling surplus, declaring that it would create "a fiscal straitjacket for Congress." He said that was "incredibly positive news" because it would halt the growth of the Federal government.
In a 45-minute news conference in a community hall next to a recreational-vehicle park here, Mr. Bush avoided giving specific answers to several questions about how he would find the money for his next big initiatives — from missile defense, to overhauling the military, to reforming Medicaid — without dipping into Social Security surpluses that both parties have declared off-limits. And he made it clear he would not re-think his tax cut, saying, "I can't tell you how proud I am to be traveling around the country and people say, `Thanks for the $600.' "
At the same time, Mr. Bush talked in some detail about the economic slowdown, which he called a "correction," and left open the possibility that he might dip into the Social Security surplus if a further economic stimulus was needed.
"I've said that the only reason we should use Social Security funds is in the case of an economic recession or war," Mr. Bush said.
It will be a long while before there is any certainty about whether the economy has bottomed out or is headed toward a recession. In the meantime, Mr. Bush said he was intent on getting Congress to follow his spending priorities by passing large increases for the military and for education and putting everything else on hold.
"If Congress goes off on a spending spree in other areas, it's going to create a competition for defense dollars," he said, adding later, "and there's going to be a battle."
Mr. Bush's news conference was his first extended session with reporters since arriving at his ranch here early this month. By putting down a strong claim for military spending and also by hinting, even in a vague way, that Social Security might not be untouchable, Mr. Bush seemed to be pulling together the strands of an emerging strategy for what could be difficult fiscal times ahead.
He spent much of the session on military issues, including formally announcing the nomination of Gen. Richard B. Myers to serve as the next chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.
A fighter pilot during the Vietnam War, General Myers is a soft-spoken but influential figure in the Pentagon, who will now be thrown into the middle of the battles to find the billions of dollars that it will take to build even a modest missile defense system. Mr. Bush said today that he chose the Kansas native in part for his expertise in running the United States Space Command in Colorado. But General Myers is also deeply familiar with China's rise as a military power and North Korea's nuclear capability, both of which required his attention in the mid-1990's when he commanded American forces in Japan.
"This is going to be great," General Myers told the president today. Another four-star general, Peter Pace of the Marines, who currently runs the Southern command covering Latin America and the Caribbean, will take General Myers's current post as vice chairman of the Joint Chiefs. Neither is expected to encounter difficulties during confirmation hearings in the Senate.
For all his talk about upcoming budget battles, the escalation of violence in the Middle East, and his pending decision on whether to give some illegal aliens the right to work here, Mr. Bush appeared more relaxed today than at any news conference during his seven months in the presidency. Perhaps it was the informality of the atmosphere: A community hall that had clearly suffered some neglect over the years, tucked in the woods off a small road in this one-stoplight town. Perhaps it was the scant attendance: There were barely enough people to fill two rows of folding chairs.
So Mr. Bush bantered about dragging reporters into the 100-degree heat of his adopted Texas town, and insisted that even if politics are getting nasty again in Washington, "It's a great tone here in Crawford."
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I'm not a big fan of Obama as president. Was hoping he would have done some things a bit differently.
But at the same time lets look at America as a business, a failing sports bar for example.
A sports bar in some random city has a long history. For a while it was great and was profitable. The owner of the profitable sports bar then decided to sell the business because he was ready to retire. A man came in and bought the sports bar, lets name this man Bush. Now this new owner, Bush, was profitable for a couple of years but some crazy events happened and he had an agenda to make this sports bar even better than it previously was. All the sudden he started making many terrible decisions and all the sudden the sports bar was operating at a loss.
So Bush started taking out loans because he needed money, but at the same time kept operating his new bar in an unprofitable way and kept trying to push his new sports bar agenda, and tried to convince the people that the changes he was making was good for the sports bar.
After a while the bar continues to make less money and overall is in really bad shape. The owner, Bush, then gets into so much debt and has such a terrible reputation around town so he decides to sell the sports bar.
A new owner buys the bar for an extremely cheap price. He comes in with the goal of turning the bar around and hopes to make it great again like it once was. So this new owner is spending and spending trying to figure out a way to make the bar profitable and great. He's having a tough time finding a solution....
Now that example was obviously way too simple, but you see it all the time with sports bar. A new owner comes in thinking they can change everything and make everything great, but they can't find the solution to the bar's problem. Now running a sports bar and making it profitable is not that complex, it is hard, but not extremely complicated. Now think about running a country that has massive debts.Comment -
http://legalschnauzer.blogspot.com/2...ng-its-no.html
It's no contest, Bush was/is a far worse spender
Oh man, one of the comments left after that article is so great.
"What I like to know is "where are all the jobs" after Bush lowered the taxes on the so called job creators?"
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Isn't the majority of our spending for wars we are fighting that were started under Bush's presidency? I would say thats Bush's credit unless you really think you can just pull out mid-fighting. If we were't suppose to go to war we should of prevented 9-11 (debatable) which also happened under Bush.Comment -
When you occasionally create your very own thoughts they make very little sense. First, the gentleman that commented--your second sentence contradicts your first is correct. Isn't he?
Allow me to give you some advise, I know you believe you don't need any but believe me you do and I can help if you would just listen. When you make up figures and just pull them out of your ass you lose all credibility. Don't you understand that? You know your credibility right now is very low but you insist on keying comments like (100 times worse). Don't you realize that even people that agree with your basic argument cringe when they read that garbage.
You're young and don't understand the correct way to make an argument. Start with this, don't say anything stupid. Don't throw around numbers that can't be verified. Some of your other friends make comments like--worse president ever.
Don't you guys realize how stupid comments like that sound? It only weakens your argument. Be credible is rule one. Start from there.
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Please dont tell me about the fyching creep bush
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Linked To bin Laden Family
By Rick Wiles
American Freedom News.com
c. 2001 American Freedom News
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<TABLE border=0 cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width=531 height=142><TBODY><TR><TD height=141 vAlign=top width="100%"><DL><DT>President Bush recently signed an executive order to freeze the US financial assets of corporations doing business with Osama bin Laden. He described the order as a "strike on the financial foundation of the global terror network." <DT><DT>"If you do business with terrorists, if you support or succor them, you will not do business with the United States," said President Bush. <DT><DT>He didn't say anything about doing business with a terrorist's brother - or his wealthy financier. <DT><DT>When President George W. Bush froze assets connected to Osama bin Laden, he didn't tell the American people that the terrorist mastermind's late brother was an investor in the president's former oil business in Texas. He also hasn't leveled with the American public about his financial connections to a host of shady Saudi characters involved in drug cartels, gun smuggling, and terrorist networks. <DT><DT>Doing business with the enemy is nothing new to the Bush family. Much of the Bush family wealth came from supplying needed raw materials and credit to Adolf Hitler's Third Reich. Several business operations managed by Prescott Bush - the president's grandfather - were seized by the US government during World War II under the Trading with the Enemy Act. <DT><DT>On October 20, 1942, the federal government seized the Union Banking Corporation in New York City as a front operation for the Nazis. Prescott Bush was a director. Bush, E. Roland Harriman, two Bush associates, and three Nazi executives owned the bank's shares. Eight days later, the Roosevelt administration seized two other corporations managed by Prescott Bush. The Holland-American Trading Corporation and the Seamless Steel Equipment Corporation, both managed by the Bush-Harriman bank, were accused by the US federal government of being front organizations for Hitler's Third Reich. Again, on November 8, 1942, the federal government seized Nazi-controlled assets of Silesian-American Corporation, another Bush-Harriman company doing business with Hitler. <DT><DT>Doing business with the bin Laden empire, therefore, is only the latest extension of the Bush family's financial ties to unsavory individuals and organizations. Now that thousands of American citizens have died in terrorist attacks and the nation is going to war, the American people should know about George W. Bush's relationship with the family of Osama bin Laden. <DT><DT>Salem bin Laden, Osama's older brother, was an investor in Arbusto Energy. - the Texas oil company started by George W. Bush. Arbusto means "Bush" in Spanish. Salem bin Laden died in an airplane crash in Texas in 1988. <DT><DT>Sheik Mohammed bin Laden, the family patriarch and founder of its construction empire, also died in a plane crash. Upon his death in 1968, he left behind 57 sons and daughters - the offspring he sired with 12 wives in Saudi Arabia, Syria, Lebanon, and Jordan. About a dozen brothers manage Bin Laden Brothers Construction - one of the largest construction firms in the Middle East. <DT><DT>Fresh out of Harvard Business School, young George W. Bush returned to Midland, TX, in the late 1970s to follow his father's footsteps in the oil business. Beginning in 1978, he set up a series of limited partnerships - Arbusto '78, Arbusto '79, and so on - to drill for oil. <DT><DT>One of President Bush's earliest financial backers was James Bath, a Houston aircraft broker. Bath served with President Bush in the Texas Air National Guard. Bath has a mysterious connection to the Central Intelligence Agency. <DT><DT>According to a 1976 trust agreement, Salem bin Laden appointed James Bath as his business representative in Houston. Revelation about Bath's relationship with the bin Laden financial empire and the CIA was made public in 1992 by Bill White, a former real estate business partner with Bath. White informed federal investigators in 1992 that Bath told him that he had assisted the CIA in a liaison role since 1976 - the same year former President George Herbert Walker Bush served as director of the CIA. <DT><DT>During a bitter legal fight between White and Bath, the real estate partner disclosed that Bath managed a portfolio worth millions of dollars for Sheik Khalid bin Mahfouz and other wealthy Saudis. Among the investments made by Bath with Mahfouz's money was the Houston Gulf Airport. <DT><DT>A powerful banker in Saudi Arabia, Mahfouz was one of the largest stockholders in the Bank of Credit and Commerce International. BCCI was a corrupt global banking empire operating in 73 nations and was a major financial and political force in Washington, Paris, Geneva, London, and Hong Kong. Despite the appearance of a normal banking operation, BCCI was actually an international crime syndicate providing "banking services" to the Medellin drug cartel, Pamama dictator Manuel Noriega, Saddam Hussein, terrorist mastermind Abu Nidal, and Khun Sa, the heroin kingpin in Asia's Golden Triangle. <DT><DT>The BCCI scandal implicated some of the biggest political names in Washington - both Democrats and Republicans - during the first Bush White House. The bank was accused of laundering money for drug cartels, smuggling weapons to terrorists, and using Middle Eastern oil money to influence American politicians. <DT><DT>The chief of the Justice Department's criminal division under former President Bush was Robert Mueller. Because the major players came out of the scandal with slaps on the wrists, many critics accused Mueller of botching the investigation. Mr. Mueller was recently appointed by President George W. Bush as the new Director of the FBI, replacing Louis Freeh who did nothing while William Jefferson Clinton allowed the Red Chinese to loot our national security secrets. <DT><DT>The Financial Crimes Enforcement Network (FinCEN), a division of the Justice Department, reviewed allegations by Bill White in 1992 that James Bath funneled money from wealthy Middle Eastern businessmen to American companies to influence the policies of the Reagan and Bush administrations. Robert Mueller, the new FBI chief, was in a senior position at the Justice Department at the time of the review. <DT><DT>White told a Texas court in 1992 that Bath and the Justice Department had "blackballed" him professionally and financially because he refused to keep quiet about his knowledge of an Arabic conspiracy to launder Middle Eastern money into the bank accounts of American businesses and politicians. <DT><DT>In sworn depositions, Bath admitted he represented four wealthy Saudi Arabian businessmen as a trustee. He also admitted he used his name on their investments and received, in return, a five- percent stake in their business deals. <DT><DT>Indeed, Texas tax documents revealed that Bath owned five percent of Arbusto '79 Ltd., and Arbusto '80 Ltd. Bush Exploration Company controlled the limited partnerships, the general partnership firm owned by young George W. Bush. <DT><DT>Although George W. Bush's Texas oil ventures were financial failures, his financial backers recovered their investments through a series of mergers and stock swaps. He changed Arbusto's name to Bush Exploration, then merged the new firm into Spectrum 7 Energy Corporation in 1984. <DT><DT>The Bush-controlled oil business eventually ended up being folded into Harken Energy Corp., a Dallas-based corporation. Mr. Bush joined Harken as a director in 1986 and was given 212,000 shares of Harken stock. Bush used his White House connections to land a lucrative contract for the obscure Harken Energy Corp. with the Middle Eastern government of Bahrain. On June 20, 1990, George W. Bush sold his Harken stock for $848,000 and paid off his loan he took out to buy his small share in the Texas Rangers. The Bahrain deal was brokered by David Edwards, a close pal to Bill Clinton and a former employee of Stephens Inc. Shortly after Bush sold his stock, Harken's fortunes nose-dived when Saddam Hussein invaded Kuwait. Some critics claim young George was tipped off in advance by his father about the soon-coming Gulf War. <DT><DT>George W. Bush, however, worked wonders for Harken Energy Corp. before the stock collapse. Using the Bush family name, he managed to bring much-needed capital investment to the struggling firm. George W. Bush traveled to Little Rock, AR, to attend a meeting with Jackson Stephens - a powerful Arkansas tycoon who help bankroll the state campaigns of young Bill Clinton. He first gained political prominence as a fund-raiser for President Jimmy Carter. Stephens was also deeply involved in the BCCI scandal by helping the corrupt bank take control of First American Bank in Washington, DC. <DT><DT>Jack Stephens didn't need an introduction to young George W. Bush. Mary Anne Stephens, his wife, managed Vice President George Bush's 1988 presidential campaign in Arkansas. Stephens Inc., the well connected brokerage firm owned by Jack Stephens, donated $100,000 to a Bush campaign fundraising dinner in 1991. When George W. Bush won the contested Florida election in 2000, Jack Stephens made a substantial contribution to the Bush inauguration. Recently, former President Bush played golf on April 11, 2001, with Jack Stephens at the Jack Stephens Youth Golf Academy in Little Rock. The former president told Stephens, "Jack, we love you and we are very, very grateful for what you have done." <DT><DT>Perhaps the former president was thanking him for the money Stephens provided young George W. Bush. Stephens arranged for a $25 million investment from the Union des Banques Suisses. The Swiss Bank held the minority interest in the Banque de Commerce et de Placements, a Geneva-based subsidiary of BCCI. <DT><DT>Both Stephens and Abdullah Taha Bakhsh, a wealthy and well-connected Saudi real estate investor, signed the financial transaction. The Geneva transaction was paid through a joint venture between the Union Bank of Switzerland and its Geneva branch of BCCI. <DT><DT>The BCCI connection, therefore, linked George W. Bush with Saudi banker Khaled bin Mahfouz. Known in Arab circles as the "king's treasurer," Mahfouz held a 20 percent take in BCCI between 1986 and 1990. Mahfouz is no stranger to the Bush family. He was a big investor in the Carlyle Group, a defense-industry investment group with deep connections to the Republican Party establishment. Former President Bush is a former member of the company's board of directors. George W. Bush also held shares in Caterair, a Carlyle subsidiary. Sami Baarma, a powerful player in the Mahfouz-owned Prime Commercial Bank of Pakistan, is a member of the Carlyle Group's international advisory board. <DT><DT>President Bush certainly is aware of that his former Saudi sugar daddy is still financing Osama bin Laden's terrorist network. USA Today newspaper reported in 1999 that a year after bin Laden's attacks on US embassies in Africa, Khaled bin Mahfouz and other wealthy Saudis were funneling tens of millions of dollars each year into bin Laden's bank accounts. Five top Saudi businessmen ordered the National Commercial Bank to transfer personal funds and $3 million pilfered from a Saudi pension fund to the Capitol Trust Bank in New York City. The money was deposited into the Islamic Relief and Bless Relief - Islamic charities operating in the US and Great Britain as fronts for Osama bin Laden. <DT><DT>The Capitol Trust Bank is run by Mohammad Hussein al-Amoudi. His lawyer is Democratic Party bigwig Vernon Jordan, close friend of former President Bill Clinton and Monica Lewinsky. <DT><DT>Abdullah Taha Bakhsh, the Arab who cosigned the $25 million cash infusion into George W. Bush's Harken Energy Corporation, appointed Talat Othman to manage his 17.6 percent share in Harken Energy Corp. Othman, a native Palestinian, is president and CEO of Dearborn Financial Inc. - an investment firm in Arlington Heights, IL. <DT><DT>Bakhsh also bought a 9.6 percent stake in Worthen Banking Corporation, the Arkansas bank controlled by Jack Stephens. Abdullah Bakhsh's share was the identical percentage as the amount of shares sold by Mochtar Riady, the godfather of the wealthy Indonesian family with close ties to the Chinese communists, Bill Clinton and evangelist Pat Robertson. Bakhsh is represented by Rogers & Wells, a well-connected Republican law firm in New York whose partners include former Secretary of State William P. Rogers. <DT><DT>Independent investigator reporter David Twersky reported in the early 1990s that Othman had a seat on Harken's board of directors and met three times in the White House with President George Herbert Walker Bush. Organized by Chief of Staff John Sununu, Othman's first meeting with President Bush at the White House was in August 1990, just days after Saddam Hussein invaded Kuwait. <DT><DT>There exist to this day an Arab-Texas connection. Khalid bin Mahfouz, financier of both George W. Bush and Osama bin Laden, still maintains a palatial estate in Houston, TX. Former President George Bush also lives in Houston. James Bath, Texas political confidant of George W. Bush, managed to obtain a $1.4 million loan from Mahfouz in 1990. Bath and Mahfouz, along with former Secretary of Treasury John Connally, were also co-investors in Houston's Main Bank. Bath was also president of Skyway Aircraft Leasing Ltd, a Texas air Charter company registered in the Cayman Islands. According to published reports in the early 1990s, the real owner was bin Mahfouz. When Salem bin Laden, Osama' brother, died in 1988, his interest in the Houston Gulf Airport was transferred to bin Mahfouz. <DT><DT>Since Osama bin Laden's bloody attack on America on September 11, the federal government has moved quickly to freeze bank accounts connected to Osama bin Laden, Khalid bin Mahfouz, and a host of Islamic charities. <DT><DT>Perhaps federal agents should freeze the financial assets of the Bush family too. It would not be the first time Bush-family assets were seized by the US government for trading with the enemy. <DT><DT><DT>Copyright 2001 American Freedom News
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^^ You do know that Osama was disowned by his family in the early 90s, right? Apparently not, or else you wouldn't post garbage like that article. The bin Ladens are a respected business family with 1 son who went off the deep end. What do their business deals have to do with Osama? Nothing. At all.
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Bush left, the debt was about 9 trillion. with the debt ceiling increase, the debt will be 17 trillion. OK, not quite double but pretty close.Comment -
Do you see what I mean? Do you see how retarded you are. My post did not make one single political comment. See you're a fvckin idiot. I try to help you, people try to help you and what do you do. You make an ass out of yourself again. I ask you to be credible and one post later you are not. Why are you so fvckin stupid. Read my post moron, not one comment about politics. Now read how you replied.You thank me for making your point about people not knowing enough about politics. I said nothing about politics in that post.
Dwightie you are just so incredibly stupid and it is too easy making you look like the monkey you are. Now let me tell you what you will do next. You will completely ignore this and say something even dumber.
You make comments before you think--you're not credible and you never will be.
You are probably the dumbest and least educated poster I ever dealt with and I have heard some really stupid posters. Now what is your excuse? Can't wait to hear this.Comment -
insults with no substance as usual. You think I am retarded but I know you are. I can have a mature debate with the likes of JW and others but you obviously are unable to. So, just don't include me or just don't reply to my posts. I won't with yours. That's a fair solution but of course you won't agree to it.
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Oh and btw I taught 12th grade dullards that knew more American political science than you know and will ever know.Comment -
insults with no substance as usual. I can have a mature debate with the likes of JW and others but you obviously are unable to. So, just don't include me or just don't reply to my posts. I won't with yours. That's a fair solution but of course you won't agree to it.
He does exactly what I said he would do, right? Didn't address the issue at all.
It is amazing, you can predict what this idiot will do, tell him and he does it anyway. I can't imagine how retarded this guy is.
No Dwightie, no deal. I will continue to monitor your stupidity and report on it as needed. I will remind everybody that is interested about your ignorance, your stupidity, your lies and your propensity to steal intellectual material. Actually, I don't blame you because you can't possibly construct an intelligent sentence let alone a paragraph. As I said you are most likely the dumbest and most ignorant poster on this site.Comment -
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Good idea, use icons or keep your comments short because any post that has more than a dozen words will reflect your stupidity. It only takes 1000 beatings before you catch on just a little. As I said the dumbest of dumb, the crown belongs to your Dwightie.
Remember I don't post often but I will keep track of you and periodically report concerning your stupidity and dishonesty.
Now should you not prepare for your clerking job. Or maybe you are the janitor. lolComment -
i know you feel like your insults and dribble affects me or makes me feel bad but the truth is ... it doesn't. It's actually quite boring and I can't help but feel sorry for you. Mostly I laugh and so do my co workers, So out of the respect of my fellow posters, I will never again bother wasting everyone's time by replying to anything you say from now on. You embarrass yourself enough all by yourself. No need for me to pour fuel on the fire.Comment -
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you keep posting the same thing over and over. Aren't you getting bore of it yet? Comeon man