(CreditWagering will stiff everyone here.)

[LT Profits]

Yes I saw that on the site, but I'm not sure they would survive anyone consistently betting nickels on their +1.5 run lines in MLB that are 25 or 30 cents off (i.e., scalpable).

[Nicky Santoro]

exactly, LT..

you'd be playing with fire to play there. imagine betting 6 games a day for a nickel there and getting 25 cents more on those games and having a bang out week and being up 17,700.. good luck..

you will have sleepless nights.. you might not get paid.


crazyl, can you have a settle figure with them.. like when my balance reaches 5,000, can we settle, or do we have to wait till the end of the week..

[SBR Lou]

crazyl, can you have a settle figure with them.. like when my balance reaches 5,000, can we settle, or do we have to wait till the end of the week..

You can request a payout Sunday around 1AM. It'll be processed Wednesday, loaded on debit card Thursday. If you are down say 1500 bucks, with a line of 4k, you are free to keep betting until Sunday 12AM, then your account is disabled until payment is made.

Settle figures, yeah. Each account I think is a little different. BTW I doubt anyone could EVER be up 17k there, they aren't that kind of shop, if your credit line is 6k, I am sure around the most you can win is 6k a week.

[Bet Shooter]

betty, not necessarily, these scam books will collect from the losers, stroke the winners a few days till they get paid, and then run..


betty, alot of kids on this site who play at CW don't understand gambling.. but i want some of the big boys to come in here and comment on this and you'll see they agree with me. how can you make money booking bets at 15-20 cents off the price and expect to make money.

help me make these kids understand bigger boys here at SBR.. do you agree with me that books cannot make money while putting up opinionated lines that are off by 15-20 cents.


how come SBR John won't give his thumbs up to this place. has anyone asked SBR John on his opinion.. SBR John or Billy Dozer, am i right, or what?

tell these kids, they don't understand.. they will learn the hard way.

im not being mean here, i'm just trying to help them by not losing their hard earned money.

Nicky, I have a tendency to agree with you on this place. But not 100%. Here is how I see it:

I have never used them or even tried to find them. So I am not biased about them.

1. They came out of nowhere and there is not much info about them. Most of the info people get about them is what they "heard". Not so good.

2. We all know they cruise this and other Forums as a way to get info and possibly promote business in a subtle way. Not too bad.

3. If their TRUE business model is as other posters here have stated, then it makes some sense. Give credit for small amounts to bring in customers at a small risk and then make relationships with the good paying customers and increase their limits as they show they can pay. Also, take in post-up money for the larger players once they establish that solid relationship. Good thing.

4. I do remember a Sunday night Met game not so long ago, that everyone in the world was on, and their site was having problems. I don't think that was by chance. It just happened to be the last shot that everyone had to wager before the end of the week. I know I got killed that night, as did most guys. But that is part of the business. Just like retail, if your hours are posted, you are open. The solution they gave was to raise the settle number up for everyone so they didn't have to send in cash that week. Everyone thought that was great! But what they are missing is all the money the players could have won if they got their wagers down on the Mets. They dodged a bullet and then eveyone was OK with it because they didn't have to pay that week. Bad.

5. The customer base they are building is costing them next to nothing. They are doing it all with places like this and we are promoting their business for them. The free credit is the hook because it is a new concept, and everyone is going to talk about it. What do you think this type of press would cost if you had to print all those glossy ads and sent them to homes like SBG etc? They are getting this press with minimum cost. Smart!

6. Weak lines are aslo talked about and how they are taking shots on chosing an outcome for a wager ( if this is truly what they are doing). This is VERY dangerous. They are becoming nothing more than gamblers themselves if this is the truth. NO ONE has tomorrows newspaper today. Anyone that has been wagering longer than 3 years can tell you that. The idea that books want to take action on both sides and even out and collect the vig is bullshit. There is never a day in any sports books life that they don't need certain outcomes to happen. They have good days and bad days like everyone. They just have the math of the vig on their side to smooth out the bumps over the long run. If they need sides everyday, they better have the right number. I find it hard to believe that their number is better than everyone elses. If it was, it would be posted by a reputable linesman and don't you think that would give them instant credibilty? But they are a mystery to most people. If you had that "name" to use as a linesman they would be shouting it from the rooftops. It's only a matter of time they catch a bad run if they are using off lines and taking sides. VERY BAD.

I see at as way too many negatives or question marks to take a risk. Even if they letting me start with nothing.

My two cents.

[LT Profits]

Nicky,

Understand that if they stick to their current model of $100 max, I think they could become hugely successful. Like I've said, I personally know people that have been paid with regularity via their debit card, including someone that has now won four weeks in a row. I don't think they'll ever get gurt with $100 limits.

Also, regarding the Lakers -125 series price, they kept that up until they had about 5K in exposure until they started jacking line up. I don't think a 5K hit means much to them, especially considering all of the new customers they must have gained with that line.

[Francis Sollozzo]

Nicky, I have a tendency to agree with you on this place. But not 100%. Here is how I see it:

I have never used them or even tried to find them. So I am not biased about them.

1. They came out of nowhere and there is not much info about them. Most of the info people get about them is what they "heard". Not so good.

2. We all know they cruise this and other Forums as a way to get info and possibly promote business in a subtle way. Not too bad.

3. If their TRUE business model is as other posters here have stated, then it makes some sense. Give credit for small amounts to bring in customers at a small risk and then make relationships with the good paying customers and increase their limits as they show they can pay. Also, take in post-up money for the larger players once they establish that solid relationship. Good thing.

4. I do remember a Sunday night Met game not so long ago, that everyone in the world was on, and their site was having problems. I don't think that was by chance. It just happened to be the last shot that everyone had to wager before the end of the week. I know I got killed that night, as did most guys. But that is part of the business. Just like retail, if your hours are posted, you are open. The solution they gave was to raise the settle number up for everyone so they didn't have to send in cash that week. Everyone thought that was great! But what they are missing is all the money the players could have won if they got their wagers down on the Mets. They dodged a bullet and then eveyone was OK with it because they didn't have to pay that week. Bad.

5. The customer base they are building is costing them next to nothing. They are doing it all with places like this and we are promoting their business for them. The free credit is the hook because it is a new concept, and everyone is going to talk about it. What do you think this type of press would cost if you had to print all those glossy ads and sent them to homes like SBG etc? They are getting this press with minimum cost. Smart!

6. Weak lines are aslo talked about and how they are taking shots on chosing an outcome for a wager ( if this is truly what they are doing). This is VERY dangerous. They are becoming nothing more than gamblers themselves if this is the truth. NO ONE has tomorrows newspaper today. Anyone that has been wagering longer than 3 years can tell you that. The idea that books want to take action on both sides and even out and collect the vig is bullshit. There is never a day in any sports books life that they don't need certain outcomes to happen. They have good days and bad days like everyone. They just have the math of the vig on their side to smooth out the bumps over the long run. If they need sides everyday, they better have the right number. I find it hard to believe that their number is better than everyone elses. If it was, it would be posted by a reputable linesman and don't you think that would give them instant credibilty? But they are a mystery to most people. If you had that "name" to use as a linesman they would be shouting it from the rooftops. It's only a matter of time they catch a bad run if they are using off lines and taking sides. VERY BAD.

I see at as way too many negatives or question marks to take a risk. Even if they letting me start with nothing.

My two cents.

Great Post , need more posters like this

[Nicky Santoro]

bet,

you caught me off guard on that post. wow, what a huge post by you..good job, kiddo.. i have never seen you post like this in my life, and it was about sports. every post i have seen you post up till now was about richie, or jj or videos.. i have never seen this side of you.. i laughed when i saw that 1200 word essay by you.. good post

LT, i agree they will never get hurt booking 100 a game, espeically when most of their action is probably on the favs, including those jacked up prices on the cubs at -190, when they are -163 at matchy.. i am starting to wish i had that CW business and their customers. PLUS, they use a 20 cent line.

[Bet Shooter]

A few more things since you like my post.:

Thanks for the Props guys.

This is the part I agree with Nicky about.

If they are taking sides, then some people will eventually get stiffed. Not by design, but because they are going to get buried and they won't be able to pay. It may be sooner or later, but it will happen. The other thing I see here is that they are taking $100 limits per side and they won't get hurt. They can't do that forever, even at 100 bucks. No one can. At what point is it wise to only make a certain amout of money? Is it worth the trouble for them for such low limits? Remember, an established book makes about 4% hold on their total handle from sports. All they want to do is increase that handle as high as they can. This shop is trying to limit their handle because they have to with the credit extended. It goes against all logic of business to limit your sales (for lack of a bettor word). But they are doing just that.

So the next argument is, they will make it up in volume. Well how can they compete long-term with the established A places on volume alone? They need 100 customers for everyone one whale at $100 vs $10000. And there are a lot of players above that 10K side limit at A books. I know for a fact there are players wagering 100K per side on NFL at some places. Then with all those volume customers, what's the customer service going to be like then? Will they have enough reps to handle all those requests for all those people?

I think the limits are also for their protection. Think about it, they don't have any regulations to post matching funds for each deposit by law. They could have started this on a shoe-string. Zero marketing, minimal infrastructure and low limits. Sounds like how I started in my dorm room 21 years ago....

But everyone keeps posting how they have some big steam behind them. Maybe they do? I don't know. But even if they do, how long will it lasts before they get barreled in from being sided, or to low handle, or too much expenses for the hold left, or getting a bad rep from poor CS trying to handle all small money requests?

One last thing: Most times in my life anyone telling you how much cash they have behind them, is usually tryinmg to hide the fact that it's just the opposite. Those with cash never talk about it and those without ALWAYS talk abou it.

My two cents.

[TeamPlayer]

betjamaica = olympic, no?

Olympic = The Greek, although betjamaica is a sister site of the greek and thus run by the same people, I believe. So then it should be just as safe.

What about Diamond (2betdsi.com) Nicky?

[Nicky Santoro]

you are shocking me more and more. i have never seen this side of you.. i didn't even think you gambled.. i always put you with the flyers and the slicksters as just here for the entertainment.

good post betty, keep it up..


you see sbr, this is what i want to see more often at sbr, gambling and numbers talk.. you see sbr what happens when the girls are not here to pollute the threads with girl stuff.

you get posts like that talking about gambling..


this is what i like to see..

[fiveteamer]

A few more things since you like my post.:

Thanks for the Props guys.

This is the part I agree with Nicky about.

If they are taking sides, then some people will eventually get stiffed. Not by design, but because they are going to get buried and they won't be able to pay. It may be sooner or later, but it will happen. The other thing I see here is that they are taking $100 limits per side and they won't get hurt. They can't do that forever, even at 100 bucks. No one can. At what point is it wise to only make a certain amout of money? Is it worth the trouble for them for such low limits? Remember, an established book makes about 4% hold on their total handle from sports. All they want to do is increase that handle as high as they can. This shop is trying to limit their handle because they have to with the credit extended. It goes against all logic of business to limit your sales (for lack of a bettor word). But they are doing just that.

So the next argument is, they will make it up in volume. Well how can they compete long-term with the established A places on volume alone? They need 100 customers for everyone one whale at $100 vs $10000. And there are a lot of players above that 10K side limit at A books. I know for a fact there are players wagering 100K per side on NFL at some places. Then with all those volume customers, what's the customer service going to be like then? Will they have enough reps to handle all those requests for all those people?

I think the limits are also for their protection. Think about it, they don't have any regulations to post matching funds for each deposit by law. They could have started this on a shoe-string. Zero marketing, minimal infrastructure and low limits. Sounds like how I started in my dorm room 21 years ago....

But everyone keeps posting how they have some big steam behind them. Maybe they do? I don't know. But even if they do, how long will it lasts before they get barreled in from being sided, or to low handle, or too much expenses for the hold left, or getting a bad rep from poor CS trying to handle all small money requests?

One last thing: Most times in my life anyone telling you how much cash they have behind them, is usually tryinmg to hide the fact that it's just the opposite. Those with cash never talk about it and those without ALWAYS talk abou it.

My two cents.

[john pavlic]

My favorite thing about the whole C.W. thing on this site, is that all these guys on here are always saying how they are betting 500-2k on a game but they decide to give a 100 dollar credit shop a try RIIIIIGHHHHHHHHTTTT! Just say it you are small time players, and love the idea of a credit shop

[Bet Shooter]

you are shocking me more and more. i have never seen this side of you.. i didn't even think you gambled.. i always put you with the flyers and the slicksters as just here for the entertainment.

good post betty, keep it up..


you see sbr, this is what i want to see more often at sbr, gambling and numbers talk.. you see sbr what happens when the girls are not here to pollute the threads with girl stuff.

you get posts like that talking about gambling..


this is what i like to see..

Thanks again,
I know a little somthin, somethin about somthin....Someone has to pick up the slack for all those that left.

[TeamPlayer]

My favorite thing about the whole C.W. thing on this site, is that all these guys on here are always saying how they are betting 500-2k on a game but they decide to give a 100 dollar credit shop a try RIIIIIGHHHHHHHHTTTT! Just say it you are small time players, and love the idea of a credit shop

There are 2 things that ALL men lie about: MONEY and SEX.

All men claime to have more money and sex than they really do.

(if you are wondering what women like about, the answer is EVERYTHING!)

[TeamPlayer]

sorry for the typo above regarding women. Should have read:

"if you're wondering what women LIE about, the answer is: Everything!

[Nicky Santoro]

Olympic = The Greek, although betjamaica is a sister site of the greek and thus run by the same people, I believe. So then it should be just as safe.

What about Diamond (2betdsi.com) Nicky?

wsex is same as matchy

oly is same as betjam

cris is same as betdsi and bookmaker

[Francis Sollozzo]

My favorite thing about the whole C.W. thing on this site, is that all these guys on here are always saying how they are betting 500-2k on a game but they decide to give a 100 dollar credit shop a try RIIIIIGHHHHHHHHTTTT! Just say it you are small time players, and love the idea of a credit shop

i'm an admitted 300.00 bettor , 100-500 range , will even make 50.00 tennis bets and will say so

[Panic]

I couldn't imagine what it's like to put a 100.00 dollars on a game. Are you kidding me? MY heart starts racing and my mouth goes dry and my palms get sweaty just waiting nervously for these announcement vids. I don't know how some of you do. My heart would pop like a balloon midway through the game if I had that much on it.

[ShamsWoof10]

Well as far as the lines being way off... THAT MEANS SH*T... I posted up to get my limits raised last week and I noticed this little detail so I figured I am going to take four of the games who's lines are off the most and got my clock cleaned... They were the best lines by at least 20 cents but I lost every god damn one .....so not doing that anymore...

I owe them 1500 and paying tonight.... I am also posting up to get my limits raised to 400 and I'm going to win sooner or later damnit and I want to see if they pay since I haven't recieved one yet from them....

I also have noticed a big plus to playing at books that have small limits... It FORCES MMag. because you can't exactly go all in on one game.... If you have a big roll and the max. bet is 500 then it should be MUCH easier to have MM... I'll hit two or three in a row and get over confident and over bet on the 4th game and get pasted so I do see an advantage to playing at books with small limits...

[Nicky Santoro]

Well as far as the lines being way off... THAT MEANS SH*T... I posted up to get my limits raised last week and I noticed this little detail so I figured I am going to take four of the games who's lines are off the most and got my clock cleaned... They were the best lines by at least 20 cents but I lost every god damn one .....so not doing that anymore...

I owe them 1500 and paying tonight.... I am also posting up to get my limits raised to 400 and I'm going to win sooner or later damnit and I want to see if they pay since I haven't recieved one yet from them....

it doesn't matter if you lost them, you will eventually take the money.. but here's a thought, if you want to guarantee yourself to never lose money gambling, just bet all those wacky lines at CW and you can scalp the other side at any book and guarantee yourself a profit no matter who wins..


also, I doubt if a sharpie signed up with them and did bet those wacky dogs at 25 cents or better that they'd continue to book your action. they might cut you off from betting with them. i guarantee you they'll do this.. they dont want guys that know what they're doing.. they want guy like AAO betting with them. AAO is a dream come true for them. they wish they had 200 AAO's betting with them.

[ShamsWoof10]

it doesn't matter if you lost them, you will eventually take the money..

I do not agree that you will eventually take their money because if that's so true then why not just bet the same game at another book even though it's a bit higher in price...

You are claiming that is the right side over time so why not play that same right side at another book..? It's not like it will win ONLY if you play it at CWoo...

I like CWoo for the debit card even though I haven't had a chance to use it and the low limits of under 500... For someone with questionable MM I recommand a low limit book...

[jjgold]

Nicky I agree with you 100%, you have seen all these type books come and go over the last 10 years or so. If anyone knows it is you. I cannot wait for Nicky to bump this thread up when all these clowns get burned.

[Nicky Santoro]

shammy,

read my lips.. YES, YOU WILL WIN AT CW AT THE VERY END, NO MATTER WHAT...

not because its the right side, but because it's all a #'s game.. if you are laying -145 at CRIS, but laying only -126 at CW.. if you do this for 1000 games, you have to, have to have to have to have to end up winning..


each time you lose at CW, you save tons of dollars, which in essence, means that you are putting x amount of dollars back in your pocket, x 1,000 games, you'd be up a ton to start.

money saved is money earned.

[frostno98]

CW.com is a fvckin joke, and whose still playing their and posting up is a fvckin joke. Out of all of them B and A rated books out their you guys chose Creditwagering.com instead, whatafvckin joke.

[jjgold]

CW.com is a fvckin joke, and whose still playing their and posting up is a fvckin joke. Out of all of them B and A rated books out their you guys chose Creditwagering.com instead, whatafvckin joke.

Frosty the only guys playing there are guys that cannot afford to post up $50 or more at other books.

[Nicky Santoro]

jj. you know what's funny.. guys like aao in this thread getting mad at me because i say this book is shit.. jj, you know why these kids get mad at me, because they are so happy to find a place that they dont hve to put up their money up front for post up.. they actually think they are betting for free and it's a great deal for them. they dont know yet that betting on credit is the most dangerous thing you can ever do. you can get over your head so easily..

wait till they have that bad week and they double up on the Sunday night game and it goes down and double up again the next day and that loses, and their in shock when they find they have to settle a big massive debt that they have no idea where they will get those funds, meanwhile, when playing with post up, you can't get into trouble like this.


kids like aao make me laugh. i'm a bad guy now all of a sudden because i think this book is not booking the proper way.

[SBR Lou]

Frosty the only guys playing there are guys that cannot afford to post up $50 or more at other books.

ShamsWoof10 is a high roller.

[jjgold]

Nicky you made a living off guys like AAO when you lived in Milwaukee and ran a store , a lot of guys playing at CW should not even be gambling. Also most of these guys never heard of solid books going down way back that had much more financial backing, ect. than CW.

[Nicky Santoro]

shammy ain't no high roller, trust me.. just read his stuff again and you can see.

[Nicky Santoro]

Nicky you made a living off guys like AAO when you lived in Milwaukee and ran a store , a lot of guys playing at CW should not even be gambling. Also most of these guys never heard of solid books going down way back that had much more financial backing, ect. than CW.

oh jj, those were some great times in milwaukee. dont remind me.

[SBR Lou]

shammy ain't no high roller, trust me.. just read his stuff again and you can see.

You can't take everything he writes literally, he is high half of the time, but he's an experienced gambler.

[bettilimbroke999]

shammy,

read my lips.. YES, YOU WILL WIN AT CW AT THE VERY END, NO MATTER WHAT...

not because its the right side, but because it's all a #'s game.. if you are laying -145 at CRIS, but laying only -126 at CW.. if you do this for 1000 games, you have to, have to have to have to have to end up winning..


each time you lose at CW, you save tons of dollars, which in essence, means that you are putting x amount of dollars back in your pocket, x 1,000 games, you'd be up a ton to start.

money saved is money earned.

Actually this would just be less money lost, you don't tell a guy whose 5 million dollar investment just went broke that he actually made 2 million dollars by not investing 7 million, a loss is a loss this post by Nicky made no sense

[Cloak & Dagger]

Nicky

just when I thought you were cool...

wow...another CW tout

[Nicky Santoro]

bet

made no sense??? are you crazy??? i'll tell you what, give me -136 instead of 163 on 1,000 games and if i dont end up ahead, i will give you whatever you want. i will lay any odds with you that i will not only win, but i will clean up..

[SBR Lou]

Nicky put a sock in it bud, players enjoy getting paid on debit card.