It was mentioned before that v*** prepaid gift cards might be added to the SBR store, is there any update or progress on making this item available to SBR Pro's?
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so US guys still get 12 points a day for logging in. theres a rollover for contest and poker prizes. i would not buy points anyway. is everything else the same for US posters? and when does our current pro membership run out?Comment -
I'm lost it's very confusingComment -
I think it would be more helpful if they put the changes/rules for each, US members and Non-US members, in a list format. Much more cleaner and organized that way.Comment -
Sounds like the charity donation was a crafty legal department idea, to create a further buffer away from the 'consideration' litmus test for the US law definition of gambling.
Also who will be receiving the tax benefit from the charitable donation, the poster or SBR, since John mentioned the donation will be in the name of SbR?Comment -
Most of the changes are pretty much acceptable, but the casino rollovers even now take too much time. For example SBR contest win 5000 casino points. First place pays 2 250 points with x6 rollover equals 13 500 points in casino bets, let alone the fact that you will lose most of them but it will take eternity to rollover.Comment -
Thanks for the updates.Comment -
If you still use the sportsbook that you signed up to be a pro with, then you should continue to be a pro. SBR_John got you on his books when you became a pro which means when you lose, he wins. Even if you do not renew, your account will still be connected to SBR and they will continue to collect on your losses. So you might as well continue to be a pro and get whatever perks you can get.Comment -
SBR PRO till i die mafuckazComment -
I like the sound of the changes and look forward to them next month.Comment -
Overall, good news for non-US players. US players don't really expect to hear any good news on online gambling these days, so not much change there anyway.Comment -
I can understand why people in the US can't sell points legally BUT what's wrong with buying points as a US citizen? Isn't that the same as donating or giving money away??? That should be perfectly legal???Comment -
5x rollover if you win Poker points now....fukk
, I don't want to lose any of my points won in tourneys to those damn sharks at the ring tables.
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sounds very confusing to meComment -
huh??? i read the first post.. nothing changes for sbrpros.. so what did change??
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So what about the 5x rollover in ring games? Still couldn't find an answer to how that will be calculated..Comment -
This is probably the worst change. SBR contests and poker winnings requiring a rollover is fine because they are accessible to non pros as well.SBR trivia was an initial selling point for becoming a SBR pro. If trivia was doling out too many points it would be better overall for both SBR pro posters and the site to change the payout structure directly. Requiring Trivia prizes to have a rollover (which is really just an indirect way of adjusting the payouts) is just alienating your base customers.
Some things that I think need to happen before the change takes place:
A) Rewrite or get rid of the terms and conditions that posters have to be "active participants" to be included in the SBR points system. If indeed people will just be rewarded for logging in does this now mean they can be banned because they simply don't post and thereby contribute nothing? Either get rid of this clause entirely or define what is actually meant by "active participation". As it stands "active participation" is simply based on the opinion (and biases) of whoever is doing the banning.
B) Fix SBR poker software. It's been months and the compatibility issues with Windows 7 have still not been resolved. People have alleviated the problem by running the program under a different environment (XP etc.) but it's a bandaid fix that doesn't always work. It's not our connections it's the software. I run 3 other poker clients simultaneously and none of them have disconnection issues yet time and time again I'm booted from SBR poker. It's not a router problem either as the appropriate ports are open. Please look into this.
C) Change the buyin limits for SBR poker. Add $0.25/$50,$0.50/$1.00, and $1/$2 limits. I know this has been my main reason for not participating in ring games. The bankroll requirement for playing at 400NL ($2/$4 is the lowest stake available) is high. Most don't carry such a high points balance to be properly rolled for the games and it puts them off. If the buyin limits don't change you will see the following happen
1) Increased frequency of posts about variance, rigged software and an inevitable decrease in traffic (which is contrary to the main goal of getting more participation on the tables)
2) You will force people to short stack deteriorating game quality.
3) Chip dumping will occur more frequently. I'm sure it will be monitored but this requires increased resources.
Why not make fundamental positive changes to the structure to begin with?
Other than that I think the changes are good overall. I feel for my American brethren but I have to offer that would help that whole situation. It is what it is.Comment -
Hi market - To address your first 2 points:
A) It already states under SBR's FAQ's at the bottom of the page: 5) Posters that are inactive for six months or more may have their point balances removed at the discretion of SBR. Inactivity counts as not logging into SBRforum.
I assume if the requirements of being considered an active poster were to change in the future that this would also be reflected in the FAQ's.
B) The sportsbook and poker software are being taken down for maintenance as of Friday for a period of approximately 1.5 weeks. As I sometimes use Windows7 myself, my fingers are crossed that one of the many reasons maintenance is taking 1.5 weeks is that this bug will be one that will be worked on. Just my hope though - I have no confirmation of this.
As for the third issue you raised, again because I use Windows7 at times I haven't played much SBR poker so I'm not the best person to respond to that.
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Perhaps I should have chosen my words my carefully. I think "forum contribution" would have been a better term to use. One example of this would be the Empty Cookie Jar points banning. He was posting once a day to get points and Lou banned him from the system because it was concluded that he contributed nothing to the forum.
As far as I can tell what is defined as a contribution has never been clearly stated anywhere. This categorization is simply based on the opinion (and again, biases) of the one doing the banning. All i was suggesting is either A) Some rules are put down so posters know what they can and cannot do to avoid this situation or B) The practice stop.
With the coming changes to points awards (you only have to get them for logging in) what's to say those only logging in daily won't get potentially banned for not "contributing"? They technically don't do anything besides log in and are within this definition for of a mod/administator to potentially ban them at their discretion. That's not to say that it will occur but I'm saying the situation exist and should be addressed before any problems arise.Comment -
Fair enough. I assume that the scenario of posters only logging in and not posting was taken into consideration when coming up with the new changes to the point system. Hopefully an Admin will address this for you so you have more of a clarification to your concerns.Comment -
mrmarket has some great points and I totally agree. My main concern is it is too complicated and there is too much rolling over. It's just points. Many posters will lose interest and not become Pros if every time they win points whether this is in contests, poker, trivia they have to roll them over.Comment -
thanks for the points , SBR !Comment -
whether i lose my points in the sportsbook or ring tables makes no difference to me
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Never thought there was that many none-US people here.
Everything was more simple....now....idkComment -
Actually Pavy, that was a stroke of genius on Coca Cola's part. They wanted to change the formula anyway by replacing real sugar with much less costly high fructose syrup. Doing this outright could have cost them customers permanently, instead they create "New Coke". People rush to try the new product, get a ton of free attention media and people are snatching up "Old Coke" as collectors items or because they didn't like the new coke. They took a hit for a very short time, but the reward would end up worth it.
After a couple months, people continue to complain and demand old Coke back and again people rush out to buy "Coke Classic", a few rush out to buy remaining "New Coke" before it's gone, and again a ton of free media attention. All the while, the public is claiming victory that the large corporation actually listened to the common man and brought it back and the profit for Coca Cola is now greater than ever due to the reduced cost to produce thanks to the fructose syrup. Sales by the end of that year were again soaring.Comment -
I will pass on pro status and stay on to improve my game.....Comment -
Wow, no US players can sell or buy points. That's a good idea just bad fro us US customers.Comment -
Good ideas Mrmarket. We will add some lower stakes play in the poker room.
Mbenz, we will be announcing BeatThePrick 2011 Edition by the end of the month. There have been some challenges this year getting it done early thanks in part to the NFL and DoJ.Comment -
Since the Trivia now will have rollover requirements is there any chance SBR will change the provider that furnishes the questions? There are too many vaguely worded questions or not truly sports trivia questions.
I have had questions such as In the NCAA, the record for points scored in a single game is? It should at least tell me which sport or at least the players name that holds the record so I can figure out which sport.
The day David Wells pitched his perfect game, what was the name of the beanie baby given out that day? Not really a sports question.
With regards to the rollovers, will the software be able to separate amounts won and the required rollover for each?
example: Say I cash in 3 poker tourneys in a given week, 200, 50, 300. When I play in the ring games will the software release the 1st 200 points once I meet the requirements or now do I have to rollover the 550 points as one lump sum? If I buy into a ring game with 400 of the 550 points, do I have to roll the 400 points all at once or will it release 200 points once the rollover requirement is met for that amount?
Same thing for sportsbook/casino rollovers if I win multiple trivia and contest. Are the rollovers treated individually or as one lump sum.
I'm not trying to be confusing but, I can see this becoming an issue that needs some clarification.Comment -
We are constantly working to upgrade the trivia. I apologize for the vagueness in some of the questions. It has improved but still has a way to go.Comment -
Take away points all together...Get the bums outta here that don't gamble real money.Comment
