Camoflauge and sportsbooks

[Justin7]

Justin as I touched on last night, occasionally make six team parlays and you will fly right under the radar brother.

I've been backed off of 2 Vegas books, and Las Palmas for playing parlays... All 6+ teamers.

[durito]

justin -- are you a full time gambler or do you do something else? i recall someone mentioning you being an attorney. you don't have to answer here if you don't want.

[rake922]

Can somebody answer post# 19 ?

Maybe even Justin

[Justin7]

justin -- are you a full time gambler or do you do something else? i recall someone mentioning you being an attorney. you don't have to answer here if you don't want.

I used to be a practicing attorney. I am still licensed and do an occasional case, but I've been a full time gambler for 4 years. I was part time for a few years before that, bu t quickly realized my time was better spent in "applied mathematics" than ambulance chasing... Although I'm a pretty decent trial attorney.

[SBR Lou]

I used to be a practicing attorney. I am still licensed and do an occasional case, but I've been a full time gambler for 4 years. I was part time for a few years before that, bu t quickly realized my time was better spent in "applied mathematics" than ambulance chasing... Although I'm a pretty decent trial attorney.

Did you pass the bar your first time?

[bigboydan]

Anyone else have any other tricks of the trade they care to share in order to stay under the radar?

[Peeig]

Bump this thread, for chitz and gigglez

[sharpcat]

I like to transfer funds between books by scalping, at the shop I am beating I will usually bet a huge dog and than I will bet the heavy favorite at another shop where my account is getting low or I am getting a good line. I would bet $500 to win on the dog and than bet to win $500 on the favorite this way if the favorite wins I get a free transfer and I look like a square to the book where I bet the dog, if the dog wins I lose $50 (losses can be minimized by line shopping) and have to try my transfer again.

[DukeJohn]

Bump this thread, for chitz and gigglez

LOL... I was reading over what I wrote on this 2 year old thread... man have things changed,

Thanks for the memories,

[Bluehorseshoe]

I like to transfer funds between books by scalping, at the shop I am beating I will usually bet a huge dog and than I will bet the heavy favorite at another shop where my account is getting low or I am getting a good line. I would bet $500 to win on the dog and than bet to win $500 on the favorite this way if the favorite wins I get a free transfer and I look like a square to the book where I bet the dog, if the dog wins I lose $50 (losses can be minimized by line shopping) and have to try my transfer again.

I do that too. But it sucks when that big favorite loses.

[Dark Horse]

Love camouflage. Camel E On Ice (The -independently moving- eyes of the invisibly blended in cameleon). My favorites are certain parlays as well, just a few per year, that will make me look squarer than square. I know the book thinks I lucked out and wants me to do it again.

And I try to reward generous bonus books. If you know how to win that should be no problem. Only way to keep those faucets of free extra cash flowing is to give them what they want. If you're not necessarily interested in playing long term at a book, you can also use the opposite of camouflage. Just tell a book straight up that you're a winning player, and that you will lose the money on purpose if they are generous as well. A win/win business relationship, in other words. Chances are they'll like it, but you have to be able to back it up (I've used an online record to back up my claim).

[GELATINOUS CUBE]

So-if-you-lose-you-lose

AND-IF-YOU-WIN-YOU-GET-BANNED


THAT'S-WACK

[Dark Horse]

That can happen, but it (running up a winning record at the wrong place) usually happens to arbers who pick off the soft lines at the recreational book. Obviously, that's not how to reward such a book.

[thechaoz]

Ugh I wish I knew how to get around the delay. Is it a software solution? Can you lead me in the right direction?

[luegofuego]

Love camouflage. Camel E On Ice (The -independently moving- eyes of the invisibly blended in cameleon). My favorites are certain parlays as well, just a few per year, that will make me look squarer than square. I know the book thinks I lucked out and wants me to do it again.

And I try to reward generous bonus books. If you know how to win that should be no problem. Only way to keep those faucets of free extra cash flowing is to give them what they want. If you're not necessarily interested in playing long term at a book, you can also use the opposite of camouflage. Just tell a book straight up that you're a winning player, and that you will lose the money on purpose if they are generous as well. A win/win business relationship, in other words. Chances are they'll like it, but you have to be able to back it up (I've used an online record to back up my claim).

I know this is old, but I would LOVE if you would elaborate on this. You tell a bookie you will lose money to them if they give you a bonus? How is it even theoretically possible that both sides win in that scenario?

[Pokerjoe]

On most bets, I have a good feel for what the win rate is. If you know how often a bet should win, you can figure out your expected value on a wager.

You can never figure out your EV on a wager. You can guess at it, but the difference between "guessing" and "knowing" is not mere semantics.

Even if a man offers to flip coins with you, paying you 3-1 when you win, you STILL don't know your EV.

But it's actually probably negative.

And it's also probably futile of me to argue the point here.

And before someone chimes in and says they know their EV when they scalp, scalping isn't wagering, it is, in fact, the deliberate avoidance of wagering.

[Pokerjoe]

But as to the OP question (and sorry I got off topic with reply above, but it's a pet peeve of mine, LOL)

I remember doing what Sharpcat said in post 43, but I did it the other way. This was back when I seemed to almost always be betting dogs, so if I was up on a book, I'd bet the fave, hoping to lose (hopefully getting at least a push-scalp with Pinny). I'd do it a few times, either eventually losing (and effectively transfering money out) or at least making it seem like I was a fave-faver.

But jeez, books would profile so freaking fast. I remember getting the Bowman's sharp line the second day I was in. Same with Bodog.

Now, I understand that the Euro books profile right away, looking for arbers to boot or cripple-limit. Apparently they do it on one bet. All it takes is a single bet on a weak number to get booted, especially if you bet an odd number amount.

So if you're arbing, apparently, don't just bet on one game, bet on a few; don't just bet on the one number the book offers that's the best in the world; and don't bet odd amounts. But then, you wouldn't be much good as an arber if you did all that, would you?

[trixtrix]

Even if a man offers to flip coins with you, paying you 3-1 when you win, you STILL don't know your EV.

at first i thought your post was just foolish

and then i realized you might be referring to a biased coin, or maybe NOT betting heads/tails, in process of contemplating how many levels deep your post goes, my head asploded..

[ronald]

But as to the OP question (and sorry I got off topic with reply above, but it's a pet peeve of mine, LOL)

I remember doing what Sharpcat said in post 43, but I did it the other way. This was back when I seemed to almost always be betting dogs, so if I was up on a book, I'd bet the fave, hoping to lose (hopefully getting at least a push-scalp with Pinny). I'd do it a few times, either eventually losing (and effectively transfering money out) or at least making it seem like I was a fave-faver.

But jeez, books would profile so freaking fast. I remember getting the Bowman's sharp line the second day I was in. Same with Bodog.

Now, I understand that the Euro books profile right away, looking for arbers to boot or cripple-limit. Apparently they do it on one bet. All it takes is a single bet on a weak number to get booted, especially if you bet an odd number amount.

So if you're arbing, apparently, don't just bet on one game, bet on a few; don't just bet on the one number the book offers that's the best in the world; and don't bet odd amounts. But then, you wouldn't be much good as an arber if you did all that, would you?

Excellent post.

[big joe 1212]

Some bonus whores will use the casino to meet rollover. Many sportsbooks automatically profile a player as an idiot if you use a casino, so that is a plus. If you really want to stick around at a place, blow $50 in the casino.

Another good idea... stay below half the limit bet. If they take $1k on a game, stay at $450 or less.

Parlays... Also good. But don't do more than 3 teamers, unless there is a great promo.

Very good advice!

I do this at the SBR casino and they haven't shown me the door yet!

[mathdotcom]

What if you win $50 in the casino?

[durito]

The casino crap rarely works. And I can't believe how dumb I used to be.

[dodger33]

What if you win $50 in the casino?

Wait, people win at the casino?

[That Foreign Guy]

Wait, people stop at $50 in either direction at the casino?

[Hoja Verdes]

Me too. Here's my normal procedure:

My Intuition: You're betting WHAT?! Are you nuts?
Math: All the data's right here. What's your question?
My Intuition: My question is how you think this pig could ever win this game.
Math: Just relax. There are a lot of factors at play.
My Intuition: Whatever, Math, throw your money away. See if I care.

--- 3 hours later

Math: See, was that so bad?
My Intuition: Damn, we got lucky on that one.

This is one of my favorite posts ever on SBR. Hilarious and so true!

[Extra Innings]

Some bonus whores will use the casino to meet rollover. Many sportsbooks automatically profile a player as an idiot if you use a casino, so that is a plus. If you really want to stick around at a place, blow $50 in the casino.

Another good idea... stay below half the limit bet. If they take $1k on a game, stay at $450 or less.

Parlays... Also good. But don't do more than 3 teamers, unless there is a great promo.

Was unaware you could use the casino to complete a rollover...I'd look into that

[Peeig]

The casino crap rarely works. And I can't believe how dumb I used to be.

Agreed, have tried this and it hasn't been fruitful.

[BigDaddy]

Was unaware you could use the casino to complete a rollover...I'd look into that

i don't know of any as well

a casino bonus is different from a sportsbook bonus and has a much higher rollover attached to it

im curious as well to learn what he is talking about.

[WendysRox]

Me too. Here's my normal procedure:

My Intuition: You're betting WHAT?! Are you nuts?
Math: All the data's right here. What's your question?
My Intuition: My question is how you think this pig could ever win this game.
Math: Just relax. There are a lot of factors at play.
My Intuition: Whatever, Math, throw your money away. See if I care.

--- 3 hours later

Math: See, was that so bad?
My Intuition: Damn, we got lucky on that one.

I go through this on a weekly basis. Not that you care... But, back when I was "capping" my own games, I was a 50% winner at best. Now that I use a database, I am hitting around 60% minimum. And, again, half of the plays it selects have me thinking, "I should go light on this, it'll never win." Of course, I force myself to stay disciplined and bet what it tells me to bet, but it's nerve-racking sometimes.

[Peregrine Stoop]

I go through this on a weekly basis. Not that you care... But, back when I was "capping" my own games, I was a 50% winner at best. Now that I use a database, I am hitting around 60% minimum. And, again, half of the plays it selects have me thinking, "I should go light on this, it'll never win." Of course, I force myself to stay disciplined and bet what it tells me to bet, but it's nerve-racking sometimes.

you are not playing enough games if you are hitting at 60%

[sharpcat]

i don't know of any as well

a casino bonus is different from a sportsbook bonus and has a much higher rollover attached to it

im curious as well to learn what he is talking about.

This thread has nothing to do with bonuses or rollovers

What he was referring to was making a few plays in the casino in order to make yourself look like a square.

[BigDaddy]

What he was referring to was making a few plays in the casino in order to make yourself look like a square.

i understand that part

if you read the thread

he did mention this and i would like to know what books allow you to roll over the bonus in the casino


Originally Posted by Justin7
Some bonus whores will use the casino to meet rollover. Many sportsbooks automatically profile a player as an idiot if you use a casino, so that is a plus. If you really want to stick around at a place, blow $50 in the casino.

[CrimsonQueen]

I've done casino bonuses... so they might think I'm a square... OR that I'm really sharp... as I measure out each bonus to see its EV...and then only do it if it's +EV. (and have 130% ROI so far on 4 casino bonuses at the same site) And being that I bet $1 per hand of Blackjack thousands of times over on basic strategy...they probably also think I'm a bot.
Come to think of it, I can't believe they haven't banned me for bonus whoring....

[Sawyer]

Well, I don't mess with square books but I must admit that many times I really miss their lines! For example, -5 in my book(s) but they have -4! Big & Reputable books' lines are usually sharp. However, safety is primary for me so I'm using A books only.

[ForgetWallStreet]

Well, I don't mess with square books but I must admit that many times I really miss their lines! For example, -5 in my book(s) but they have -4! Big & Reputable books' lines are usually sharp. However, safety is primary for me so I'm using A books only.

The only camouflage you need is your real name.