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  • Slainte
    SBR MVP
    • 12-13-09
    • 2442

    #36
    One of those "I feel better when i read about peoples gambling debts" threads lol
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    • big0mar
      SBR MVP
      • 01-09-09
      • 3374

      #37
      Brock?
      [B][B]They key isn't getting rich quick. The key is getting rich slowly, and enjoying it.

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      • Snowball
        BARRELED IN @ SBR!
        • 11-15-09
        • 30058

        #38


        975 Euros / month to start
        medical, food, shelter paid for
        an assumed or true identity, your call.
        French citizenship after 3 years
        see the world

        Thoughts of an American in the French Foreign Legion
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        • jjgold
          SBR Aristocracy
          • 07-20-05
          • 388179

          #39
          this was just a 1 post ghost post
          ignore him
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          • emoney
            SBR MVP
            • 03-12-09
            • 1481

            #40
            He sure got a lot of mileage out of his one post.
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            • rolltide20
              SBR Rookie
              • 11-05-10
              • 46

              #41
              Originally posted by chilidog
              From a legal standpoint, there is nothing that an offshore sportsbook could do to you. Because it is an illegal activity for U.S. citizens, they would not be able to sue you. The downside to simply not paying is that you would most likely be blacklisted, and might find it difficult in the future to gamble online.
              Offshore gambling websites are not bound by US law because they are not covered by US jurisdiction, it is perfectly legal in Costa Rica to accept any amount of money from US players for sports gambling. I'm not worried about being blacklisted, but I need to know what to do about them sending it to collections, they're threatening to do it as early as Monday, if they do that can they actually collect, and do you know the answer for an absolute fact?
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              • RichardMoss
                SBR MVP
                • 11-27-08
                • 2162

                #42
                Originally posted by rolltide20
                Offshore gambling websites are not bound by US law because they are not covered by US jurisdiction, it is perfectly legal in Costa Rica to accept any amount of money from US players for sports gambling. I'm not worried about being blacklisted, but I need to know what to do about them sending it to collections, they're threatening to do it as early as Monday, if they do that can they actually collect, and do you know the answer for an absolute fact?
                Is not legal in Costa Rica to accept money from gambling. No money hits CR's ground. Any sportsbook runs under a different licensee of 'Call Center' where data is inputted into a Database.
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                • rolltide20
                  SBR Rookie
                  • 11-05-10
                  • 46

                  #43
                  Originally posted by chilidog
                  From a legal standpoint, there is nothing that an offshore sportsbook could do to you. Because it is an illegal activity for U.S. citizens, they would not be able to sue you. The downside to simply not paying is that you would most likely be blacklisted, and might find it difficult in the future to gamble online.
                  They told me it is perfectly legal to accept US bettors in Costa Rica and other countries where these offshore Gambling websites are based, and since that also means US laws don't apply, because they are not under US jurisdiction.
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                  • rolltide20
                    SBR Rookie
                    • 11-05-10
                    • 46

                    #44
                    Originally posted by RichardMoss
                    Is not legal in Costa Rica to accept money from gambling. No money hits CR's ground. Any sportsbook runs under a different licensee of 'Call Center' where data is inputted into a Database.
                    Costa Rica welcomes online gambling with open arms, just google it. Pretty much any online gambling is legal in Costa Rica.
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                    • rolltide20
                      SBR Rookie
                      • 11-05-10
                      • 46

                      #45
                      And guys stop with this ghost stuff, I don't even know what that is I'm just in desperate need of legal advice.
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                      • Scorpion
                        SBR Hall of Famer
                        • 09-04-05
                        • 7797

                        #46
                        Originally posted by hookemhorns20
                        I've got in a pretty big whole like in the four figures approaching 5 ya know. What can I do to prevent paying theseI simply can't afford it, like costa rican laws that help me out anything. Anybody in this situation with advice please help. Please no asholes, I'm in real trouble here.
                        no biggie
                        just a get a part time job like I did at McDonalds, work there as a janitor graveyard shift, free burgers when I can, i still gamble offshore, my bet size is now only $5 which is much lower than before but thats because now I can how to manage my money
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                        • brxbmbers42
                          Restricted User
                          • 07-26-10
                          • 4312

                          #47
                          Originally posted by gauchojake
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                          • rolltide20
                            SBR Rookie
                            • 11-05-10
                            • 46

                            #48
                            BrnxBmber even though you're a yankees fan you may be right.
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                            • nli07
                              SBR Wise Guy
                              • 07-03-06
                              • 604

                              #49
                              OK, does anyone have any idea how he can run up a huge tab on offshore gambling????

                              He paid by credit card then asked for a **********???
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                              • rolltide20
                                SBR Rookie
                                • 11-05-10
                                • 46

                                #50
                                That doesn't matter the facts are the facts and it's two major offshore books.
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                                • unusialsusp5
                                  SBR MVP
                                  • 04-18-10
                                  • 4198

                                  #51
                                  wasn't aware they gave credit. but if this is true move to e.st louis, mo or ill. they wouldn't even dare to look for you.
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                                  • chilidog
                                    SBR Posting Legend
                                    • 04-05-09
                                    • 10305

                                    #52
                                    Originally posted by rolltide20

                                    Costa Rica welcomes online gambling with open arms, just google it. Pretty much any online gambling is legal in Costa Rica.
                                    LOL. Dude, I live in CR. SBR is in CR. I'm pretty sure that we know the laws. Online gambling is NOT allowed in Costa Rica. They don't license it, they don't regulate it, and they will not allow a single penny to enter the country from gambling wagers. As Richard Moss said, sportsbooks here operate as call centers or technical support operations. It is currently a grey area that the government wants their piece of, but as of now, no gambling is allowed.
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                                    • chilidog
                                      SBR Posting Legend
                                      • 04-05-09
                                      • 10305

                                      #53
                                      Originally posted by rolltide20

                                      Offshore gambling websites are not bound by US law because they are not covered by US jurisdiction, it is perfectly legal in Costa Rica to accept any amount of money from US players for sports gambling. I'm not worried about being blacklisted, but I need to know what to do about them sending it to collections, they're threatening to do it as early as Monday, if they do that can they actually collect, and do you know the answer for an absolute fact?
                                      They can send it collections, sure. But they won't be able to legally collect. You can not legally collect on a debt that is a result of an illegal activity. It's the same as going to court because you fronted drugs to a customer of yours, and he refuses to pay up. But sure, it's possible that they will send the debt to a collection agency, and the agency might hound you to pay you. But you could tell them to fukk off if you really wanted to, because legally, there is nothing that they could do about it. Not in CR, and not in the US.
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                                      • rolltide20
                                        SBR Rookie
                                        • 11-05-10
                                        • 46

                                        #54
                                        I googled Costa Rican laws and they allow all types of gambling from anyone. That's why a lot of online sportsbooks are based there. Are you positive that they cannot collect this debt even if they send it to a collection agency?
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                                        • rolltide20
                                          SBR Rookie
                                          • 11-05-10
                                          • 46

                                          #55
                                          They allow gambling from anyone except locals, native Costa Ricans are not allowed to use Costa Rican based online gambling websites, but they are allowed to accept wagers from people from every other county, which I am from the US, so according what I've read they are allowed to accept American players. Please tell me if you know for a fact that my research is wrong, but only if you know this for a fact.
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                                          • sonyman
                                            Restricted User
                                            • 06-08-10
                                            • 419

                                            #56
                                            what's a big whole--don't understand
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                                            • rolltide20
                                              SBR Rookie
                                              • 11-05-10
                                              • 46

                                              #57
                                              sorry I meant hole, as in I'm in deep SH*T
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                                              • chilidog
                                                SBR Posting Legend
                                                • 04-05-09
                                                • 10305

                                                #58
                                                Originally posted by rolltide20
                                                They allow gambling from anyone except locals, native Costa Ricans are not allowed to use Costa Rican based online gambling websites, but they are allowed to accept wagers from people from every other county, which I am from the US, so according what I've read they are allowed to accept American players. Please tell me if you know for a fact that my research is wrong, but only if you know this for a fact.
                                                Both RichardMoss and I have already stated this. Online gambling is not allowed in Costa Rica, period. Not from locals, not from foreigners. Nobody. They do not allow the gambling to take place on Costa Rican soil, and they do not allow any money to come into CR from gambling transactions.

                                                If you choose not to pay the debt, there is nothing legal that a book can do to you, whatsoever. They cannot sue you in CR, and they cannot sue you in the states. Just because the books are here, does not mean that the country lets them be here. The 'books' are operating as call centers or technical support operations. Costa Rica charges them an annual fee to do this. Sure, CR knows that the books are here; they want a piece of the action in the form of a tax. But the law does not let them accept wagers of any kind, nor any money to come into the country from it. I really can't explain it any simpler.
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                                                • rolltide20
                                                  SBR Rookie
                                                  • 11-05-10
                                                  • 46

                                                  #59
                                                  Well, when I researched it, google told me Costa Rica, which both online books are based out of, welcome all gambling online from residents of foreign countries, but only online, and only people from foreign countries. How do you know this for sure? I believe you, but all my research states the opposite. I just need to know how you know this information is a fact, because they're threatening to send it to collections tomorrow.
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                                                  • jjgold
                                                    SBR Aristocracy
                                                    • 07-20-05
                                                    • 388179

                                                    #60
                                                    Betting any sporting even is fukkin illegal and you can go to jail unless your in Las Vegas, do not let anyone tell you differently.
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                                                    • rolltide20
                                                      SBR Rookie
                                                      • 11-05-10
                                                      • 46

                                                      #61
                                                      We're talking about Costa Rican law moron.
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                                                      • chilidog
                                                        SBR Posting Legend
                                                        • 04-05-09
                                                        • 10305

                                                        #62
                                                        Originally posted by rolltide20
                                                        Well, when I researched it, google told me Costa Rica, which both online books are based out of, welcome all gambling online from residents of foreign countries, but only online, and only people from foreign countries. How do you know this for sure? I believe you, but all my research states the opposite. I just need to know how you know this information is a fact, because they're threatening to send it to collections tomorrow.
                                                        Then have them reference the "Reglamento a la Ley de Juegos".

                                                        Here's a little excerpt that I just googled for you:

                                                        It is a crime in Costa Rica to earn or lose money by placing a bet on the outcome of a game/event/activity/behavior, or by playing a game whose outcome is based on people's luck, and not on their abilities and skills to play the game. Therefore, it is illegal to collect or earn money based on the outcome of bets or games such as baccarat, dice, twenty-one, poker, black jack, roulette, and lotteries,except those organized by the Red Cross and educational organizations such as schools. The national lottery managed by the Costa Rican organization called "Junta de Protección Social" (bingo) is also exempted from this law.

                                                        It is legal to play any of the following games: billiards, card games, canasta, draughts (U.S. checkers), dominoes, casino, rummy, darts, 13, Caribbean straight poker, or any game where the person's abilities and skills will determine the outcome of the game.

                                                        Casinos host legal games according to the law as well as illegal games and games that are not clearly defined by law. The most commonly played games are rummy, and Caribbean straight poker. Games that are not clearly defined by law and are hosted in casinos are certain types of games using dice as well as pai gow - Chinese style poker. Casinos also host games that are prohibited by law such as roulette and gambling machines. Roulette is prohibited by the following laws: Article 3 of the "Reglamento a la Ley de Juegos," January 24, 1974 decree # 3510-G, published in "el Alcance #15 de la Gaceta #21" on January 31, 1974, and " Reglamento a la Ley #3," on August 31, 1922. Decree number 87,229, issued on June 13, 1978, prohibits gambling machines. However, an appeal was filed against this decree. This appeal essentially allows casinos to host these machines until the appeal is considered.

                                                        Since it is against the law to either collect or pay monies for bets or gambling games in Costa Rica, the casino industry implements a payment system to get around these laws so that casinos can hold you legally liable for what you owe them or to be able to pay you at their facilities. Casinos encourage gamblers to purchase tokens that are used at their casino facilities, or they give you a credit line by signing letters of credits, mortgages, promissory notes (I. O. U. notes), or written agreements so that installments or collections can be performed and that they are still protected by regular business laws, and not gambling. There are no laws that protect or regulate either the gambler or the casino owner from collecting monies generated by gambling.
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                                                        • chilidog
                                                          SBR Posting Legend
                                                          • 04-05-09
                                                          • 10305

                                                          #63
                                                          Originally posted by rolltide20
                                                          We're talking about Costa Rican law moron.
                                                          Yah, I'm not going to keep repeating myself, so I'm done with this. I've said it over and over again, if you don't want to believe it as such, then that's your problem. I'm very familiar with the sportsbook industry here. A moderator of this forum (a forum that is located in Costa Rica) has said the exact same thing. If you still won't listen, then there's just no hope.
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                                                          • rolltide20
                                                            SBR Rookie
                                                            • 11-05-10
                                                            • 46

                                                            #64
                                                            I believe you, Especially that last comment that was very helpful, but is that just for Costa Rican residents, or any resident of any country?
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                                                            • rolltide20
                                                              SBR Rookie
                                                              • 11-05-10
                                                              • 46

                                                              #65
                                                              I'm sorry for doubting you I just want to be sure before challenging a giant sportsbook. Especially since pretty much everything in my life right now that could go wrong has, so I don't wanna basically tell the sportsbook, ya know good luck getting your money, then get stuck, having to pay. But if this is true than I appreciate your effort and thank you very much.
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                                                              • jjgold
                                                                SBR Aristocracy
                                                                • 07-20-05
                                                                • 388179

                                                                #66
                                                                Rolltide this could muscle you physically and that is your main concern right now
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                                                                • rolltide20
                                                                  SBR Rookie
                                                                  • 11-05-10
                                                                  • 46

                                                                  #67
                                                                  From Costa Rica? They would come after me physically? I live in New Jersey, and my brother is a cop I don't think I have to worry about "my kneecaps" or anything like that. Two multimillion dollar corporations can afford to lose about 3 grand a piece, not to mention I'm 6'6" 280.
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                                                                  • jjgold
                                                                    SBR Aristocracy
                                                                    • 07-20-05
                                                                    • 388179

                                                                    #68
                                                                    Originally posted by rolltide20
                                                                    From Costa Rica? They would come after me physically? I live in New Jersey, and my brother is a cop I don't think I have to worry about "my kneecaps" or anything like that. Two multimillion dollar corporations can afford to lose about 3 grand a piece, not to mention I'm 6'6" 280.

                                                                    They do not gicve a fuk

                                                                    Most likely they have agents everywhere on the credit side, most books do
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                                                                    • rolltide20
                                                                      SBR Rookie
                                                                      • 11-05-10
                                                                      • 46

                                                                      #69
                                                                      Online sportsbooks would really send someone to the US to F me up? I don't believe that. Not for that amount they wouldn't take that risk.
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                                                                      • gauchojake
                                                                        BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                                                        • 09-17-10
                                                                        • 34116

                                                                        #70
                                                                        Originally posted by rolltide20
                                                                        Online sportsbooks would really send someone to the US to F me up? I don't believe that. Not for that amount they wouldn't take that risk.

                                                                        Look you fukkin retard, if you don't think that organized crime has their hands in online gambling then you should seriously noose yourself right now.
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