Square/Sharp myth is stupid stupid stupid!!!

mathdotcom · 10-30-10, 10:06 PM

sneak-a-peak · 10-30-10, 10:10 PM

Theres no such thing as "sharps"???

sneak-a-peak · 10-30-10, 10:16 PM

ronjon619 · 10-30-10, 10:19 PM

Originally posted by awhitejackson

Lets go ahead and argue about who's sharp and who's square while the book keeps kicking most of us in the face..... C'mon, this is a myth made up by gamblers who dont fully appreciate the precision of the linesmakers or the business savy of the bookies...So called sharps say when you play sharp (if you're good enough of course

) and avoid square plays you can beat the book. I say HaHaHaHa!!!! They're building highrises in the middle of the fukkin desert on so called "sharp" money for christsakes!!! Please stop fooling around and realize that when all is said and done the book wins.... If a "sharp" really exists he only loses less than the next guy... This "sharp" BS is all about losers calling other losers losers.... Books make money eventually... Casino owners make money eventually. Gamblers LOSE eventually....

"From my experience, as far as being able to win in any gaming environment, casino, race track, dog track, etc., 99.9% of the public, including myself, have two chances: one is slim, the other is none and slim's out of town."........Frank Rosenthal R.I.P. (The real life Robert Deniro's character in Casino)....

LETS JUST HAVE FUN WITH IT!!! THE ONLY PROS ARE THE ONES RUNNING THE NUMBERS!

SHARP post......

awhitejackson · 10-30-10, 10:26 PM

Originally posted by sneak-a-peak

Theres no such thing as "sharps"???

Yes there is... the bookies, oddsmakers, sucessful shill bastards, casino owners... I can name 50 sucessful millionaire shills and cant think of a single sucessful longterm gambler....

TR88 · 10-30-10, 10:29 PM

Jjgold is sharp !!!

awhitejackson · 10-30-10, 10:31 PM

Originally posted by ronjon619

SHARP post......

Posts 2,460....SBR points 0.....

... You Are a Sharp Player????? Obviously.....

jgray · 10-30-10, 10:33 PM

Originally posted by awhitejackson

Posts 2,460....SBR points 0.....

... You Are a Sharp Player????? Obviously.....

Is there an appreciable difference between that a 2366 post and 34 points?

awhitejackson · 10-30-10, 10:36 PM

No, but Im not the one laughing at the idea that "Sharps" dont exist.... I'm the one saying it.... I'm not sharp... I'm a losing gambler like the rest of us....

gwiz · 10-30-10, 10:39 PM

there's guessing and then there's educated guessing

I do a bit of both

jgray · 10-30-10, 10:39 PM

Originally posted by awhitejackson

No, but Im not the one laughing at the idea that "Sharps" dont exist.... I'm the one saying it.... I'm not sharp... I'm a losing gambler like the rest of us....

That's fair. There are just some folks that are better at this than others.

awhitejackson · 10-30-10, 10:43 PM

Originally posted by gwiz

there's guessing and educated guessing

I do a bit of both

Good point... There are knowlegeable gamblers and very sophisticated ones.... There are also idiots who throw down on every game... I think that in the end we as gamblers are on the losing side of the equation. My problem is with these people who call out so called "squares" when trying to beat the book longterm is "square" in itself...

awhitejackson · 10-30-10, 10:46 PM

Originally posted by jgray

That's fair. There are just some folks that are better at this than others.

I understand your point definately... Read post #13...same reply.....

Vegas_bond · 10-30-10, 11:19 PM

You may be right, awhitejackson ... sharp players dont exist. Thats why books dont limit any player, doesnt matter how much he wins.

lakerboy · 10-30-10, 11:23 PM

Originally posted by Vegas_bond

You may be right, awhitejackson ... sharp players dont exist. Thats why books dont limit any player, doesnt matter how much he wins.

You cant teach these guys. SO fukkin stupid it isnt even funny. 3 years on SBR and still losing money on gambling. THis site doesnt offer much to learn as it used to but there are still some guys that post here that give out good info.

whitejackson you are either drunk or just being naive on purpose. So when a book tells you that you cant bet more than $50 on a side - are they doing that cause you are losing or winning?

Vegas_bond · 10-30-10, 11:55 PM

To me, these guys are true sharps:
Niky Santoro
JJgold
Fishhead
Mathy
Lakerboy
TR88
and some others.

maersksealand · 10-30-10, 11:57 PM

as we all know...sports are unpredictable, I don't care how much phuckin research you put on one game...when your team is having two fumbles and throws 2 interceptions...or you bet NBA and the other team establishes a new 3 points shots franchise records...you can kiss goodbye your "sharpness"...

I remember what one Oddsmaker said "if was a way to make money betting, I would be on the other side".

TR88 · 10-30-10, 11:58 PM

Originally posted by Vegas_bond

To me, these guys are true sharps:
Niky Santoro
JJgold
Fishhead
Mathy
Lakerboy
TR88
and some others.

thanks for that Vegas_bond, glad I can help some of the posters in here, might have to make a thread with my plays in the future

Michaelmakesit · 10-31-10, 12:08 AM

someone explain what a sharp and a square bettor is anyways

i dont know what either means. relatively new to sportsbetting

CHAZ · 11-01-10, 09:24 AM

The books make money whatever side you're on. They just want to get an equal amount of money on both sides. Do the math and you can see the odds total out to higher then 100%

CHAZ · 11-01-10, 09:25 AM

A sharp bettor is someone who gets the line at the best price or spread available.

CHAZ · 11-01-10, 09:28 AM

I found this on another site....

A fellow walks into sports book at a major Strip hotel and wagers $5,000 on a football game. The move triggers an immediate and frenzied reaction from the house bookmaker, who quickly telephones the casino's sister properties and adjusts the line on the team that just was bet. A few minutes later, another person strides up to the very same window at the very same sports book and wagers a whopping $50,000 on a football game. The very same house bookmaker nods in the player's direction, but otherwise makes no effort to put down his cup of coffee and lift himself from his corner stool.
What's going on here?
Bookmakers have learned that the amount of money bet often is secondary in importance to the identity of the person who places the wager. For example, a hotel guest who lumbers into the sports book from the gaming tables with a cocktail in one hand, a load of black chips in the other and what he believes is an informed opinion, usually is not viewed as a serious threat to the house's bottom line. For the most part, books are far more concerned with the activities of gambling syndicates and crafty local players.
Because bet-takers always are looking to get ahead of the action, to find that one right number that attracts equal or near equal activity to each side of a game, distinguishing and separating recreational or unsophisticated bettors, called 'squares,' from professional bettors, known as 'sharps,' can be crucial to a sports book's well-being. One way books do this is by reacting as quickly as possible to the moves made by professional bettors.
But first, bookmakers must identify the 'sharps,' who, in an attempt to get their wagers down at the most attractive prices, often use a variety of tricks and subterfuge. Known by sight to most bookmakers, many sophisticated bettors employ 'runners' or 'beards' to place their wagers, frequently striking with military-like precision at several properties at the same time.
Of course, bookmakers, who are trained to look for tip-offs such as clipboards or cell phones, eventually become familiar with the runners and the cat-and-mouse game begins anew.
In addition to the overall quality of their play, 'sharps' differentiate themselves from 'squares' in several other ways. Most obviously, 'sharps' are professionals who derive their income from their play, while 'squares' have "real" jobs.
Generally, say sports book managers, 'sharps' are low-key, gracious and unassuming, while players who boast about their successes usually are 'squares' with little chance of winning.
'Sharps' also distinguish themselves by the number of games they bet and the consistency of their wagers on each of those games. Typically, 'sharps' bet about six games during a football weekend. 'Squares' bet one or two, or even worse, nearly the whole card.
"If you believe you have an edge you don't want to bet just one or two games," explained a professional sports bettor who asked that his name be withheld. "If you play only a couple of games, luck becomes much too overwhelming of a factor. You don't want to be in a situation where a bad bounce or a lousy call from a referee beats you and that's the only game you've played. If you've played a handful of games, maybe five or six, and you're any good, you can overcome a bad beat."
There's also little variation in the size of bets made by 'sharps.'
"You pretty much bet the same amount on each game," said the player. "I don't have a best bet, a game-of-the-week or anything like that. C'mon, if I really knew which of my bets were 'best' wouldn't I just make those bets? I think all my bets are going to win; that's why I make them."
Finally, the 'sharp' player never measures success in the short run. Therefore, he never has to "get out" on an unlikely parlay or chase after the final game of the day or the weekend. Poker players are fond of saying that one session doesn't mean anything. 'Sharps' understand that.

k13 · 11-01-10, 09:29 AM

Originally posted by maersksealand

as we all know...sports are unpredictable, I don't care how much phuckin research you put on one game...when your team is having two fumbles and throws 2 interceptions...or you bet NBA and the other team establishes a new 3 points shots franchise records...you can kiss goodbye your "sharpness"...

I remember what one Oddsmaker said "if was a way to make money betting, I would be on the other side".

True sharps don't even watch the game.