Charlie Manuel terrible managing tonight

Deuce · 10-20-10, 10:42 PM

Noticed this too. Rollins up. Man on 1st, one out. Swing to the fences kid. Mind you, he strikes out. Perfect spot for a bunt too. Sad.

Mikail · 10-20-10, 10:44 PM

Made sure they didn't win.

LVBOUND · 10-20-10, 10:49 PM

Worst mistake he made all game was with 2 outs he pinch hit for Contreas (sp) with Dominic Brown. THERE IS NO NEED TO DO THIS UNLESS YOU GOT MEN ON. Jose had been pitching great and was feeling it! Just horrible management.

You guys agree?

Mikail · 10-20-10, 11:02 PM

Originally posted by LVBOUND

Worst mistake he made all game was with 2 outs he pinch hit for Contreas (sp) with Dominic Brown. THERE IS NO NEED TO DO THIS UNLESS YOU GOT MEN ON. Jose had been pitching great and was feeling it! Just horrible management.

You guys agree?

Biggest mistake. BUt there was a few more Manuel made. That was the one that sealed the deal.

Jericholic · 10-20-10, 11:02 PM

Bringing in Oswalt there made no sense to me. Not only are you bringing in a guy on only 2 days rest but you're putting in a situation that he almost never has been in before.

hothandsmgee · 10-20-10, 11:03 PM

Wow a texas -san fran world series doesnt sound very intersting

mav2112 · 10-21-10, 12:44 AM

You use Oswalt on 2 days rest in relief but you dont start Halladay???

thechaoz · 10-21-10, 12:48 AM

Texas will Roll san fran in the series but that's ok. No dog in the fight so I'm rooting for cash.

Fieldysnuts44 · 10-21-10, 12:55 AM

Can't wait to hear him on SC in morning,he always sounds like a babbling fukking idiot.I couldn't stand him when he coached in Cleveland,always sounded like my drunk grandpa.I just want to say shut the fukk up and drink your PBR.

sweethook · 10-21-10, 02:51 AM

well yeah somethings not right

JMobile · 10-21-10, 03:52 AM

Biggest mistake was reading Oswalt pitching. I did not watch the game, but recorded it and read the game through cell phone internet.
Boy, I guess he was desperate to win. Then on the radio, Manule said that Oswalt volunteered to get in. Manuel could of just said NO!
But now they are truly done!

Intuitive_Edge · 10-21-10, 04:13 AM

Originally posted by Fieldysnuts44

Can't wait to hear him on SC in morning,he always sounds like a babbling fukking idiot.I couldn't stand him when he coached in Cleveland,always sounded like my drunk grandpa.I just want to say shut the fukk up and drink your PBR.

Trust me, you'll have a hoot listening to him if you can find the whole press interview. I turned it over as soon as the game ended.. i could barely understand him. Then people kept asking him bout Doc not starting instead of Blanton.. he was pissed

jbrent95 · 10-21-10, 05:14 AM

The phillies are toast this series.

MartinBlank · 10-21-10, 07:02 AM

WTF Manuel didn't bunt Werth over is beyond me.

Horrible, horrible, horrible.

It also would have save him a pitching arm.

Horrible.

KingKolzig · 10-21-10, 07:09 AM

is Brad Lidge hurt? they used 5 pitchers, but not Lidge

chaseutleyfan26 · 10-21-10, 07:10 AM

its a known fact in philadelphia that manuel isn't very good. but he did get us a ring once so i gotta cut the guy some slack

thebestthereis · 10-21-10, 07:12 AM

charlie manuel is uncle jesse, you cannot help but love uncle jesse

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRX4mlFi06A

ex50warrior · 10-21-10, 07:42 AM

Originally posted by Jericholic

Bringing in Oswalt there made no sense to me. Not only are you bringing in a guy on only 2 days rest but you're putting in a situation that he almost never has been in before.

I understand going for it in that situation but is sure didn't work out. Some of his other decisions are tougher for me to try and defend. There's still a glimmer of hope IF they can get the series back to Philly.

syy211 · 10-21-10, 09:01 AM

Originally posted by LVBOUND

Worst mistake he made all game was with 2 outs he pinch hit for Contreas (sp) with Dominic Brown. THERE IS NO NEED TO DO THIS UNLESS YOU GOT MEN ON. Jose had been pitching great and was feeling it! Just horrible management.

You guys agree?

totally agree. base empty, i guess he expect Dominic Brown to hit solo HR.

korbal29 · 10-21-10, 09:48 AM

sf is surprising me too old and wasnt supposed to hit

philswin · 10-21-10, 09:55 AM

Maunual is a terrible Manager who just happened to get a team that was moving into a new stadium paid for by the State and the team suddendly had money to spend - they went from a lower payroll team to a high payroll team. Manual is not the type of Manager to manage a high budget team that makes the playoffs. He is a good people Manager best with a low budget team to help the players develop but he is a terrible game Manager.

HenPrivilege · 10-21-10, 10:09 AM

That's what happens when you get spanked.. Blame the skipper

It's not his fault that the Phils got blanked by Cain.. You guys have had your chances..

Try and hit a homerun for a change.. This isnt Citizens Bank or whatever the fukk you call it where a flyball is a homerun

That's what happens when you play in a park that is neutral.. Skilled pitchers don't have to worry about crooked numbers being put up on the board every other inning.. Good fukkin baseball being played here.. none of that gimmick shit in a gimmick park

nobodyukno · 10-21-10, 10:24 AM

Originally posted by HenPrivilege

That's what happens when you get spanked.. Blame the skipper It's not his fault that the Phils got blanked by Cain.. You guys have had your chances.. Try and hit a homerun for a change.. This isnt Citizens Bank or whatever the fukk you call it where a flyball is a homerun That's what happens when you play in a park that is neutral.. Skilled pitchers don't have to worry about crooked numbers being put up on the board every other inning.. Good fukkin baseball being played here.. none of that gimmick shit in a gimmick park

Go get rolled on by Texas

HenPrivilege · 10-21-10, 10:28 AM

Originally posted by nobodyukno

Go get rolled on by Texas

That's exactly what I was told about Philly

InTheRed · 10-21-10, 10:38 AM

Oswalt was used because it was his "throw day". Starters throw about 30 pitches or so on the middle day of their rest, which was yesterday for Oswalt. In situations like this, managers and players often hold off on it so that he can be used in a game and use the pitches he throws as his "throw day". Also, Oswalt was the winning pitcher in Game 2. He was lights out then, so why not use him again when you need him to be lights out. Oswalt will still be ready, with full rest to pitch game 6.

When playing on the road, you always save your closer so that he can CLOSE the game. You don't waste your closer just to get to the 10th. At home its different. You bring in your closer, as SF did in Wilson, so that he gets you to the bottom half of the 9th still tied. A closer at home can't close the game, the bats do.

Basically, Manuel was right in bringing in the best pitcher he had available to him at the time.

It wasn't bad managing. It was bad execution.

HenPrivilege · 10-21-10, 10:40 AM

Originally posted by InTheRed

Oswalt was used because it was his "throw day". Starters throw about 30 pitches or so on the middle day of their rest, which was yesterday for Oswalt. In situations like this, managers and players often hold off on it so that he can be used in a game and use the pitches he throws as his "throw day". Also, Oswalt was the winning pitcher in Game 2. He was lights out then, so why not use him again when you need him to be lights out. Oswalt will still be ready, with full rest to pitch game 6. When playing on the road, you always save your closer so that he can CLOSE the game. You don't waste your closer just to get to the 10th. At home its different. You bring in your closer, as SF did in Wilson, so that he gets you to the bottom half of the 9th still tied. A closer at home can't close the game, the bats do. Basically, Manuel was right in bringing in the best pitcher he had available to him at the time. It wasn't bad managing. It was bad execution.

Couldn't have been said any better.. The casual irrational fan will always blame the skipper.. I will admit though, there was some umpire magic at AT&T for the home team

miyakuza · 10-21-10, 10:41 AM

No, according to Manuel Oswalt was used because he had nobody playing left field and bet it would go into extra innings. It wasn't about his "throw day" or any of that.

crustyme · 10-21-10, 12:21 PM

WC Fields needs to bench Rollins...... cant hit, cant field and cant steal a base.

BeatingBaseball · 10-21-10, 12:24 PM

Unfortunately - we only get to see the results of the manager's decision -we never get to see what would have happened if it had been done the way the second guessers say it should have been done. Their assumption, of course, is that everything would have turned out just fine if it had been done their way.

In this case - you can be sure of one thing - Charlie Manuel knows more about his club than anyone on this thread. Not to mention more about the game of baseball than 99.9% of this forum.

I'm no Phillies fan. I actually had the Giants last night. And I can tell you I did not like the sight of Oswalt heading to the mound in that spot - I'm sure the Giants dugout did not either. I admired him for wanting the ball there and Charlie for having the balls to do it in this day and age. It made perfect sense on his middle day - and there is no one out in that bullpen - including Lidge - who is the force/man/pro/competitor that is Roy Oswalt. It didn't work. But give credit to Posey and Uribe - those were monumental ABs.

InTheRed and HenPrivilege are spot on in their comments - but you're wasting your time interacting with most of the nimrods on this thread - they don't know what a throw day is to begin with - or much else about the game for that matter.

beerman2619 · 10-21-10, 12:57 PM

Disagree with Beating Baseball myself. I think its pretty obvious Manuel didn't make good moves last night. And to think he knows 99.9 more about baseball then most of us on here not a chance son. Basic baseball bunt the runner over to third with no outs. Especially with Jimmy Rollins up a guy that knows how to get a bunt down and hasn't been hitting well. Then to throw out Oswalt on 2 days rest well you saw what happened bad managing. He might as well not of started Blanton and went with Roy if your going to throw Oswalt out there on 2 days rest. Manuel made it easy for us guys that don't know baseball as you say to second guess him.

crustyme · 10-21-10, 01:08 PM

Baseball is about playing the percentages. The odds of Rollins safely bunting over the runner is over 90%. The chances of getting an RBI hit? 20% or less.

Bringing in Oswalt wasnt a mistake per se but when. If it were the Yanks or Red Sox they would've brought in Rivera and Papelbon before a starter. You bring in your closer and give your offense another inning to score the go-ahead run. If they dont score then you bring in Oswalt to pitch the extras.

BeatingBaseball · 10-21-10, 01:19 PM

I notice that no one has a problem with Manuel not bunting Werth in that 8th. Werth batted in front of Rollins with Howard (the tying run) on 2nd. There were none out then as well. But - oh yeah! - Werth hit a double! - so smart move!

I'm sure if Rollins had hit a stand up double there would have been no mention of bunting either.

Also note that after Rollins' pop up - Francisco and Ruiz both struck out swinging. Rollins was their best shot.

crustyme · 10-21-10, 01:39 PM

Could be because Werth is a TERRIBLE bunter. Sluggers in the 3rd, 4th and 5th spots are rarely good bunters.

Rollins is one of the best bunters if not the best in all of baseball. And in a tied game on the road, you need the go-ahead run.

rickbo528 · 10-21-10, 02:08 PM

Interesting stuff from some posters on here. Some good points and analysis on here. Anyone can just bash the manager about "bad moves". But I enjoy reading people giving valid reasons for onfield decisions being made. That's why the post season is great because if this game was played in July we wouldn't be talking about this stuff. Beating Baseball is spot on about Rollins bunting (or not bunting). The next 2 batters struck out so it didn't change anything. With Rollin's history of big postseason hits he probably was their best shot at driving in the run.