Proper way to use a FREEPLAY (from poster DOUG)

[ronald]

This was posted a long time ago. Thought it would be a good time to educate the rookies on this one. Resident poster DOUG made this post:
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Lets say you won $11,000 worth of matchplay bets and you could break it up into any number of bets you desire.

Here's one good way to use it.

Play all 8 ways on a 3-teamer ( with half-point lines)

$1375 to win $8250 on each. One must hit yielding $8250 !


If you broke the $11,000 into 100 plays of 110 to win 100, and went an incredible 82-18, you're 82 winners would pay $100 each for a total of $8200.

I can't pick 82%, can you ?


If book won't allow these bets, you could achieve similar results by even randomly picking 3-teamers, just bet many small 3-teamers, for example 500 3-teamers at $22 each, you'll hit about 12.5 % of them. For example 62 of the 500 hit for $132 each, yieding $8184.

Do not straight bet with match play, even worse is betting ML favorites.

Now that the Matchplay is done, you can play normally to meet any needed rollovers.

[Reload]

Doug is absolutely the expert with this.

[fsugolf]

sharp

[Fishhead]

Playing quad what ifs are better...........

[ronald]

Playing quad what ifs are better...........

Would like DOUG to debate this

[Nicky Santoro]

this is the stupidest way to do it.. it's a great way to have a book ban you.. and it's a waste of time too. you wanna sit there and tell an operator to give you 8 parlays all covering every angle. they will hate your guts and know you're a wiseguy and you might even get the boot..

and this guys other solution is to bet 500, 22$ parlays?? LOL.. yeah, why not quit your life too?? you wont leave the house for 2 weeks if you do this.

my way is the best... you make very very close to 8 parlay one in terms of profit.. and it takes me literally 7 seconds to do and i'm off the phone..

[Fishhead]

Would like DOUG to debate this

Not in a public forum....may hurt my bottomline.

Will DONALDWAGER be open today?

[Deuce]

Teach me how to Douglas.

[Fishhead]

Another hint.....think soccer.

[ronald]

Not in a public forum....may hurt my bottomline.

Will DONALDWAGER be open today?

Let me see if anyone is in.

[whatsgood5]

this is the stupidest way to do it.. it's a great way to have a book ban you.. and it's a waste of time too.

Yep, spot-on. I've been told that betting both sides of something with a FP will be called "free-play abuse" by books, so I would assume this would be as well.

What I always do when I only have a FP on one site, is do 4/8 options of a three teamer. That way I have a 50% chance of winning 150% of my FP, which equates to me getting about 75% value out of the FP.

When I have two FP's on two sites though, I'll do four options on one, and the other four on another.

[bruceBRUCEbruce]

re: betting both sides with a freeplay.

use two different books. duh. i do this with every fp.

[ronald]

Yep, spot-on. I've been told that betting both sides of something with a FP will be called "free-play abuse" by books, so I would assume this would be as well.

What I always do when I only have a FP on one site, is do 4/8 options of a three teamer. That way I have a 50% chance of winning 150% of my FP, which equates to me getting about 75% value out of the FP.

When I have two FP's on two sites though, I'll do four options on one, and the other four on another.

Or, you could just do 8/8 as DOUG suggests and lock in your 75% return.

[whatsgood5]

Or, you could just do 8/8 as DOUG suggests and lock in your 75% return.

Must be that sentence was the only part of my post you read?

[Doug]

What I usually do is pick 5 teams and wheel them into 10 three teamers, now. I rarely get freeplay. not eligible at 5D and Matchbook. Key thing is long odds like a big ML dog or a parlay. I rarely play all eight ways.

[ronald]

Must be that sentence was the only part of my post you read?

No, I'm just not interested in your "assumptions". I've done the 3-team 8-way method MANY times and have NEVER had a problem.

[whatsgood5]

No, I'm just not interested in your "assumptions". I've done the 3-team 8-way method MANY times and have NEVER had a problem.

It's a fairly reasonable assumption that a book would not be okay with that, guy.

[Doug]

CRIS was always fine with it. Mathematically it makes no long-term difference to the book If I turn $100 FP into $75 guaranteed cash or play ten different parlays of $10, one a day.

[BAUS]

The most important variable has NOT been mentioned here yet: Does the book increase your rollover if you WIN the FP bet?

BAUS

[Doug]

The most important variable has NOT been mentioned here yet: Does the book increase your rollover if you WIN the FP bet?

BAUS

That is a factor, too...just not one that ever bothered me much.

Phoenix does it off of the payout, Betjam doesn't....last I knew.

[mathdotcom]

It's easy to find 70% on a freeplay with very little hassle and no chance of a book giving you shit. The extra 5% is not worth it. Maybe CRIS doesn't care, but I am sure most small time books would raise the issue. And it's mostly small time books you're going after.

Guys the 5% is typically nothing and staying under the radar is worth it.

You're also ignoring the problem that often you have to meet extra rollover if your FP hits. If you use the parlay method you will always have to meet extra rollover, which denies you any opportunity to make an all-in bet to potentially get out of the book quickly. True the one time your +500 ML dog hits you have to meet a lot of roll, but the other 5 times you can often get out of the book with one bet and be on your way.

Some of you guys are such penny pinchers it's unreal. Big timers like mathy, BAUS, and Nicky don't worry about these pennies as we have bigger fish to fry. ronald when are you going to start dining on shellfish instead of swedish fish??

[mathdotcom]

When I see guys going after pennies here and there it tells me they do not value their time. And if they do not value their time it means their opportunity cost is low, which means their implied wage per hour is low, which means they're small time.

[whatsgood5]

It's easy to find 70% on a freeplay with very little hassle and no chance of a book giving you shit. The extra 5% is not worth it. Maybe CRIS doesn't care, but I am sure most small time books would raise the issue. And it's mostly small time books you're going after. Guys the 5% is typically nothing and staying under the radar is worth it. You're also ignoring the problem that often you have to meet extra rollover if your FP hits. If you use the parlay method you will always have to meet extra rollover, which denies you any opportunity to make an all-in bet to potentially get out of the book quickly. True the one time your +500 ML dog hits you have to meet a lot of roll, but the other 5 times you can often get out of the book with one bet and be on your way. Some of you guys are such penny pinchers it's unreal. Big timers like mathy, BAUS, and Nicky don't worry about these pennies as we have bigger fish to fry. ronald when are you going to start dining on shellfish instead of swedish fish??

Well most books (the ones I've check at least) don't let you take anything more than + or -200 with your FP...

[BAUS]

That is a factor, too...just not one that ever bothered me much. Phoenix does it off of the payout, Betjam doesn't....last I knew.

If you hit a FP and win $3000, and your rollover goes up by 30k, that is a MAJOR consideration.

BAUS

[Doug]

If you hit a FP and win $3000, and your rollover goes up by 30k, that is a MAJOR consideration.

BAUS

It would normally be something like a $100 freeplay, so if it hits for $600, might have to do 5-6k in action. I rarely get a FP anymore anyways.

You still should bet it on something long, IMO.

[Nicky Santoro]

this thread should really be deleted.. are you guys that dumb?? do you really want to be giving out info here?? do you know that giving out info like this only hurts you.. if everyone here did this, then there'd be less money for everyone else.. it woudl hurt you in the long run..

think of this.. lets say you had a great handicapping system and your computer spits out 74% winners.. would you start giving out all those picks here so everyone will put 2k on it, 400 on it, etc.. no.. of course not.. cause if everyone starts betting your games, books will start to lose and the posters would end up taking your money that you would have ended up getting..
you get it now??

why not just give the key to your safety deposit box?? same thing..

Dont be surprised if free play rules change soon because of this thread. I AM NOT JOKING..

[BAUS]

Most posters here are too busy discussing SBR points to notice this thread.

BAUS

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nicky you run your mouth too.

[Dirty Sanchez]

this thread should really be deleted.. are you guys that dumb?? do you really want to be giving out info here?? do you know that giving out info like this only hurts you.. if everyone here did this, then there'd be less money for everyone else.. it woudl hurt you in the long run..

think of this.. lets say you had a great handicapping system and your computer spits out 74% winners.. would you start giving out all those picks here so everyone will put 2k on it, 400 on it, etc.. no.. of course not.. cause if everyone starts betting your games, books will start to lose and the posters would end up taking your money that you would have ended up getting..
you get it now??

why not just give the key to your safety deposit box?? same thing..

Dont be surprised if free play rules change soon because of this thread. I AM NOT JOKING..

Since when did anyone posting at SBR ever been accused of being a member of the MENSA society? Most of the posters here are mental midgets at best.

[Nicky Santoro]

nicky you run your mouth too.

you're wrong..

i keep saying the only way to win is to beat the closer.. but that's where it stops. i never get into details.

plus, not anyone can do it. it cannot be taught. there is so many variables. like you MUST be discipline, not chase, don't bet tv games, never like a game, good money mgmt, and about 22 other things..

it's like saying you will 100% pick up every chick if you learn 15 languages.. if this is true, will you learn 15 languages?? no.. too hard.

[mathdotcom]

It would normally be something like a $100 freeplay, so if it hits for $600, might have to do 5-6k in action. I rarely get a FP anymore anyways.

You still should bet it on something long, IMO.

Then getting 75% vs. 70% is a discussion over FIVE DOLLARS

Doug you are better than this

[ronald]

When I see guys going after pennies here and there it tells me they do not value their time. And if they do not value their time it means their opportunity cost is low, which means their implied wage per hour is low, which means they're small time.

....says the guy who was running from one punjabi convenience store to the next trying to get down proline tickets....

[Doug]

this thread should really be deleted.. are you guys that dumb?? do you really want to be giving out info here?? do you know that giving out info like this only hurts you.. if everyone here did this, then there'd be less money for everyone else.. it woudl hurt you in the long run..

think of this.. lets say you had a great handicapping system and your computer spits out 74% winners.. would you start giving out all those picks here so everyone will put 2k on it, 400 on it, etc.. no.. of course not.. cause if everyone starts betting your games, books will start to lose and the posters would end up taking your money that you would have ended up getting..
you get it now??

why not just give the key to your safety deposit box?? same thing..

Dont be surprised if free play rules change soon because of this thread. I AM NOT JOKING..

This is old stuff. Post #1 is from about 3 years ago at RX.

[mathdotcom]

....says the guy who was running from one punjabi convenience store to the next trying to get down proline tickets....

$1000/hour is too low for you?