GA-Tech is terrible

Cuse0323 · 09-25-10, 02:28 PM

Their defense doesn't help much either. The blocked punt and fumbles early really sealed that game since they couldn't stop State whatsoever.

Flight · 09-25-10, 04:27 PM

GA Tech's problem has never been their offense.

Stealinhome · 09-25-10, 04:57 PM

Originally posted by Flight

GA Tech's problem has never been their offense.

I dissage, they score a lot of points, how ever it is hard for them to convert 3rd and long. They tend to score quickly or punt, quickly. Very much like a team that throws lots of bombs and scores to quickly. They put their D in a lot of bad spots.

TWEETS · 09-25-10, 05:05 PM

You have to have a good WR to keep the D somewhat honest, last year they had Johnson (was that his name?) who bailed Nesbitt out when he needed to heave one up.

lordswing · 09-25-10, 05:13 PM

Originally posted by Stealinhome

I dissage, they score a lot of points, how ever it is hard for them to convert 3rd and long. They tend to score quickly or punt, quickly. Very much like a team that throws lots of bombs and scores to quickly. They put their D in a lot of bad spots.

And I'll gladly dissage with you as well. If you caught any game last year, GT usually dominated TOP for wins. Yes there's big plays, but in the games GT won, there were usually several 7-8 minute drives to kill the clock and give the defense time to rest.

Now, I haven't seen the clock killing drives as much this year, but I'm hopeful that once we trot out actual linemen instead of converted TEs, the offense will start rolling again. The loss of Thomas has also been more devastating than most fans though, thinking Stephen Hill could replace his production, but that is just not the case.

Note that the 3-4 has just been implemented, and it's not like Al Groh could bring along his UVA guys, he's still playing with Wommack's players.

I'm certainly not one to call for CPJ or CAG's heads yet, I realize it takes time for a defense to be fully implemented, getting all your players into the system.

And a properly executed triple option is truly a beautiful offense to watch. I suggest trying to catch a Navy game as they are absurdly efficient, and they have a helluva QB who understands his role in the game.

Stealinhome · 09-25-10, 05:26 PM

Originally posted by lordswing

And I'll gladly dissage with you as well. If you caught any game last year, GT usually dominated TOP for wins. Yes there's big plays, but in the games GT won, there were usually several 7-8 minute drives to kill the clock and give the defense time to rest.

Now, I haven't seen the clock killing drives as much this year, but I'm hopeful that once we trot out actual linemen instead of converted TEs, the offense will start rolling again. The loss of Thomas has also been more devastating than most fans though, thinking Stephen Hill could replace his production, but that is just not the case.

Note that the 3-4 has just been implemented, and it's not like Al Groh could bring along his UVA guys, he's still playing with Wommack's players.

I'm certainly not one to call for CPJ or CAG's heads yet, I realize it takes time for a defense to be fully implemented, getting all your players into the system.

And a properly executed triple option is truly a beautiful offense to watch. I suggest trying to catch a Navy game as they are absurdly efficient, and they have a helluva QB who understands his role in the game.

You make good points, specifically on the TEs and the new 3-4. They are not set up to have a good year on D with Wommack's players having to conform to Groh's 3-4. What are your expectations for this team moving forward? How far do you think the Johnson/Groh staff can take them?

jjgold · 09-25-10, 05:32 PM

ACC is usually is not a real power in foots

Most teams kind of even

blueghost · 09-25-10, 05:39 PM

NOTRE DAME offence is the worse hands down ill take a MAC teams offence any offence ..TOOK THEM TODAY NO MORE

Flight · 09-25-10, 05:42 PM

lol solid post, are you lost?

lordswing · 09-25-10, 05:50 PM

Originally posted by Stealinhome

You make good points, specifically on the TEs and the new 3-4. They are not set up to have a good year on D with Wommack's players having to conform to Groh's 3-4. What are your expectations for this team moving forward? How far do you think the Johnson/Groh staff can take them?

If we're talking this season

Playing for the ACCCG is still an option, as NC State is an Atlantic Team, and GT is one up in the Coastal thanks to the UNC win. It is still extremely early to tell, but one can probably find more reasons to panic as a Tech fan after this game (secondary problems going up against Kyle Parker, Renfree, and Jacory is going to give me ulcers).

For this season, I'll be "satisfied" if the team goes 8-4, hopefully not having one of those losses come at the hands of UGAg. There is no Demaryius Thomas to bail out Nesbitt this time. Nesbitt hasn't been helped AT ALL by his receivers (Stephen Hill and Roddy Jones being the biggest culprits, they need to slap some stick'em on).

Going forward, I admit I am extremely optimistic about the combined forces of CPJ and CAG. CPJ won a ton of games and the ACC with a defense that gave up 25+ a game, so any kind of minor improvement will be huge. CAG is not expected to work miracles, just not lose the game. An ideal game will have 3-4 7-8 minute drives to allow the defense to rest. That is of course asking for a lot, as the 3-4 requires a monster nose tackle that is plain nasty (were thinking TJ Barnes could be that guy, but that hasn't been the case yet). I see no reason why GT can't be the class of the ACC and finish in the top 10 every year.

Stealinhome · 09-25-10, 05:57 PM

I got to admit your winning me over, I can be some what cynical when it comes to this stuff. Good talking with you. I don't know if your in Atlanta and go to GT games or not, but I get free tickets from time to time. I might be able to pass some your way.

lordswing · 09-25-10, 06:15 PM

I'm actually a 5th year hoping/looking/planning to get out this semester. I was out there today getting baked in the front row (off to the side, but still great standing room). The Tarrant pick 6 got the stadium absolutely rocking, it was a great a 5 minutes or so of atmosphere thinking there's a chance

I'm all for being cynical (I think it comes with the territory around here), but it is way too early to start calling for a defensive coordinator's head after only 4 games. The team's also lost 4 NFL players, which didn't seem too bad since Stephen Hill and Anthony Allen both showed tremendous promise, and thinking ANY semi-competent defense could make up for the loss of Morgan+Burnett.

Also, it is incredibly easy to love Paul Johnson. He doesn't bullshit you at all, doesn't fluff it up, and if you catch the games, he's constantly yelling at players and refs. It's hard not to get fired up with him on your side.

Miley Cyrus · 09-26-10, 01:10 AM

No. The REAL joke is Minnesota.

scoobs · 09-26-10, 01:44 AM

dbnmln · 09-26-10, 02:33 AM

friggen Tech cost me in the 2nd half.

Jnas · 09-26-10, 04:54 AM

GT I thought they were pretty good

I WAS WRONG

ger25pic25 · 09-26-10, 05:43 AM

they are a complete joke

hockeyman30304 · 09-26-10, 06:08 AM

They lost D-Thomas there best WR....Go Broncos!

CLASSIC ROCK · 09-26-10, 09:27 AM

Alot of people thought this maybe Paul Johnson's year ,things not coming together on either side of the ball

Serbone · 09-26-10, 09:40 AM

Originally posted by Stealinhome;654***9

The triple option offense is a joke, I do not understand how you can run an offense that makes it imposable to win if you get down by 14 points. Not only is the triple option uncommonly painful to watch, it is also notably ineffective. It is not possible to be effective year in year out, in a BCS conference with out flexibility. The best teams not only reload talent year to year, but they also make adjustments to their playbook in order to call plays that put their players in position to succeed.

I bid you good day sir!

Now you tell me.

Mac4Lyfe · 09-26-10, 09:53 AM

Originally posted by Jnas

GT I thought they were pretty good

I WAS WRONG

That's the problem with most bettors. They put money on teams based on last years performance. Teams like GT, Texas, Choklahoma, Navy, BYU, aren't the same as last year

me-first · 09-26-10, 10:03 AM

How did GA Tech become so bad, so quick?

Serbone · 09-26-10, 10:10 AM

Originally posted by Mac4Lyfe

That's the problem with most bettors. They put money on teams based on last years performance. Teams like GT, Texas, Choklahoma, Navy, BYU, aren't the same as last year

Agree except for Oklahoma, they will be better than last yr if they stay healthy ( I had Cincy + 14).
Sooners always play cautious week before Texas, protect players from injury. Same with Texas, though I think you are right that Texas will NOT be nearly the team they were last 2-3 yrs.

james4512 · 09-26-10, 10:30 AM

what did you expect when they lose their star running back, + nc state is really nasty

BigdaddyQH · 09-26-10, 10:42 AM

Ga.TEch is a one dimentional team on ofense, and will alays be that way as long as Paul Johnson is their HC. That means that they will have a verydifficult time coming from behind. Their defense is really poor. This is because the HC could care less about the defense, and recruits that way. Ga.Tech still must go to Clemson and Va. Tech and host Miami. Three games that they stand a good chance to lose.

Superman455 · 09-26-10, 10:52 AM

They can't compete with no passing game. I think they had their first completion late in the third quarter.

scottie2005 · 09-26-10, 02:21 PM

Their D made the Wolfpack O look pretty good

polskboy · 09-26-10, 02:43 PM

this is a right statement they are bad,when this team go down 10 points its over..

Hotlanta Steam · 09-26-10, 04:08 PM

Local Atlanta guy and former state champion triple option QB in HS (and honestly have a bit of a passion for the offense)=... Let me explain what GTs problem is... The QB... everyone likes to laud Joshua Nesbitt but in fact he is not very smooth running the offense... He does not read the D end well enough and his play fakes leave a lot to be desired... Tech will actually be better next year when they get a guy that ran this same offense in HS.. The reason Navy and Air Force run it so well is that they have QBs that ran it in HS and were not good enough to play @ most major schools and they drill and drill and drill on it. Also Nesbitt misses the playmaker WR like Bebe Thomas was last year... You need a WR that can get off the line quickly after looking like they are going to block, that way on the option play action he can get well past a biting safety... Another smaller issue is they miss Dwyer who could run both inside and outside...you have to have that kind of guy to keep the other defense honest...

Guys like Jamelle Hollaway, Tommie Frazier and then guys from the service academies like Air Forces Dee Dowis ran the offense in their sleep and always looked smooth and ultra quick down the line of scrimmage... Nesbitt always looks choppy...powerful runner he may be but play action passer and good decision maker he is not...

I can promise that the offense will be great in 2 years again..

daneblazer · 09-26-10, 10:00 PM

NC State is probably the best team in the ACC. Yeah, I said it.

THA_DIESEL · 10-02-10, 08:21 PM

Georgia Tech offense only 6 points against Wake Forest

THA_DIESEL · 10-02-10, 08:24 PM

17-6 Wake Forest

kfranz31 · 10-02-10, 08:35 PM

i wasnt expectiing a romp g tech but not losing to wake forrest they really are weak....

Maxmillion · 10-02-10, 08:39 PM

i think maybe teams have figured out what to do with the triple option. i mean navy has not been racking up the yards like they have in the past with the option. i does hurt that nesbit cant throw a lick.