Is it bad to be a volume player?

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  • GiveMeaBJ
    SBR Hall of Famer
    • 09-08-09
    • 8449

    #1
    Is it bad to be a volume player?
    See lot's of folks talking about "too many plays", "you can't win with that many plays", etc. But, really is it bad? My thought is you play where you feel the edge is and if it turns out to be 30 plays then best of luck. I think it also will reduce variance.
  • rm18
    SBR Posting Legend
    • 09-20-05
    • 22291

    #2
    of course if every play is a +EV play, but the % of gamblers that can identify a few +EV plays is much higher than the ones who can find 30+ a day
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    • Mr KLC
      BARRELED IN @ SBR!
      • 12-19-07
      • 31097

      #3
      It seems like I do better when I do 2-3 plays in a day than the days I have 5+.
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      • jjgold
        SBR Aristocracy
        • 07-20-05
        • 388179

        #4
        Originally posted by Mr KLC
        It seems like I do better when I do 2-3 plays in a day than the days I have 5+.
        In 98% of cases ..yes

        You will see 2-3 plays per week will even show better results
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        • Patrick McIrish
          SBR MVP
          • 09-15-05
          • 2864

          #5
          Nothing bad about it, volume is your friend when betting sports.
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          • koby25
            SBR MVP
            • 10-14-08
            • 1507

            #6
            Everybody is diffrent. I've had better sucess with one to two plays a day
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            • thezbar
              SBR Hall of Famer
              • 08-29-06
              • 6422

              #7
              Find a style that works for you. I have no shot betting many games. I've learned this from the past. Betting the games I really like gives me the best chance for making some money. Betting high volume doesn't work for me.
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              • LarryF
                SBR Wise Guy
                • 12-11-09
                • 949

                #8
                In my opinion, the fewer games wagered per week, the better the results. I am usually on 3-5 per week.
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                • whatsgood5
                  Restricted User
                  • 10-13-09
                  • 15359

                  #9
                  I would say yes.
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                  • Patrick McIrish
                    SBR MVP
                    • 09-15-05
                    • 2864

                    #10
                    A lot of times "the less I play the better I do" actually equates to "the less I play the slower I lose". If you have an edge volume is your friend, if you're a -EV player the more volume you do the quicker you lose the roll.
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                    • LT Profits
                      SBR Aristocracy
                      • 10-27-06
                      • 90963

                      #11
                      If all of your plays are +EV, the more the merrier.
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                      • statnerds
                        SBR MVP
                        • 09-23-09
                        • 4047

                        #12
                        go to Iceman's SBR blog and find his thread about the most important thing he learned being a professional bettor

                        I search out people more successful than myself and try to use them as mentors, informally. if it is good enough for someone that seeks to do it for a living, than it can work for me, as long as my +EV identification skills are on point.

                        I've really increased my volume lately, with a slight drop in winning percentage, but still above B/E.

                        grinding out what I hope is a positive ROI
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                        • Emily_Haines
                          SBR Posting Legend
                          • 04-14-09
                          • 15917

                          #13
                          never worked worth a shit for me
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                          • Doc JS
                            SBR Hall of Famer
                            • 09-15-06
                            • 6885

                            #14
                            Originally posted by LT Profits
                            If all of your plays are +EV, the more the merrier.
                            LT is spot on. The more +EV plays you make the better you will be in the long.

                            The problem is finding +EV plays isn't easy. You are more likely to find 3-5 +EV plays a weekend than you are 30+ +EV plays a weekend...

                            Doc
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                            • magynuck
                              SBR Wise Guy
                              • 09-17-09
                              • 891

                              #15
                              if u know u have an edge yes
                              most people are losing bettor so of course not
                              if i let u pick heads or tails on a fair coin and paid +1.05 for every win how many times would u like to play?
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                              • Doc JS
                                SBR Hall of Famer
                                • 09-15-06
                                • 6885

                                #16
                                Originally posted by LT Profits
                                If all of your plays are +EV, the more the merrier.
                                LT is spot on. The more +EV plays you make the better you will be in the long run.

                                The problem is finding +EV plays isn't easy. You are more likely to find 3-5 +EV plays a weekend than you are 30+ +EV plays a weekend...

                                Doc
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                                • LT Profits
                                  SBR Aristocracy
                                  • 10-27-06
                                  • 90963

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by Doc JS
                                  LT is spot on. The more +EV plays you make the better you will be in the long.

                                  The problem is finding +EV plays isn't easy. You are more likely to find 3-5 +EV plays a weekend than you are 30+ +EV plays a weekend...

                                  Doc
                                  Not true with college sports. It's not unusual for me to play 25-30 CFB or 35-40 CBB games on a Saturday. Keep in mind that includes games with much smaller edges than the games I post.
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                                  • Doc JS
                                    SBR Hall of Famer
                                    • 09-15-06
                                    • 6885

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by LT Profits
                                    Not true with college sports. It's not unusual for me to play 25-30 CFB or 35-40 CBB games on a Saturday. Keep in mind that includes games with much smaller edges than the games I post.
                                    LT - Two things...
                                    1. the difference is you are a professional. The overwhelming majority here are not. How many hours a week do you spend finding those 30+ plays?

                                    2. How small can your edge be before you feel comfortable betting it may be considerably smaller than someone elses comfort zone.

                                    Overall, the average SBR recreational bettor is probably better off with 5 bets a weekend than 30...

                                    Doc
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                                    • LT Profits
                                      SBR Aristocracy
                                      • 10-27-06
                                      • 90963

                                      #19
                                      Right, I guess all my answers assume people can recognize +EV. WHOOPS.
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                                      • noties
                                        SBR Sharp
                                        • 05-30-10
                                        • 457

                                        #20
                                        one mistake new volume gamblers make is running out of money

                                        Have you ever seen a +even volume player post their plays to prove

                                        that it works ?

                                        nicky santoro best advice long ago was the key to gambling is

                                        not run out of money and empty your bankroll.
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                                        • hagball52
                                          SBR MVP
                                          • 09-22-10
                                          • 3053

                                          #21
                                          did well on volume in baseball but getting killed in football.
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                                          • Nicky Santoro
                                            SBR Posting Legend
                                            • 04-08-08
                                            • 16103

                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by noties
                                            one mistake new volume gamblers make is running out of money

                                            Have you ever seen a +even volume player post their plays to prove

                                            that it works ?

                                            nicky santoro best advice long ago was the key to gambling is

                                            not run out of money and empty your bankroll.
                                            noties,

                                            that's the problem with gamblers.. true that the more games you bet, the more you clear at the end.. assuming all are +ev bets.. however, i have seen tons go broke even by doing this. they have a 10k bankroll and bet 2k a game.. they have a 50k bankroll and bet 5k a game. this is wrong. gambling will bite you in the ass at the end if you get greedy.

                                            bet within your means. if your bankroll is only 1k, bet 10-20 a game, or 50$ if you don't want to wait.. and build it from there.. if your bankroll is 100k, bet 500-1500 a game.. you MUST stay in the game because without money, i don't care how many +ev bets you find, it'll do you no good.

                                            People want the fast buck, it's called greed. bet within your means. this is more important than just betting all the +ev you can bet..

                                            there's no written rule that you will win no matter what if you just play +ev bets. it's a very very long term investment. not 24 games.. you can easily go 4-21 in your first 25 games and now what?? you are broke..

                                            DO NOT RUN OUT MONEY. YOU MUST STAY IN THE GAME
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                                            • jjgold
                                              SBR Aristocracy
                                              • 07-20-05
                                              • 388179

                                              #23
                                              Let's just say bookies love guys that bet a lot of games weekly.
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                                              • katstale
                                                SBR MVP
                                                • 02-07-07
                                                • 3924

                                                #24
                                                LT is essentially correct. You should be using parameters you have devised and you bet however many games fall into that formula--thus more would be better. If you are betting hunches, then less is better.

                                                hardest part for any gambler is to bet his formula against his hunch or favorite team. I do it, but it still hurts!! lol
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                                                • noties
                                                  SBR Sharp
                                                  • 05-30-10
                                                  • 457

                                                  #25
                                                  nicky thanks for all suggestions on helping us show a profit wagering.

                                                  Small players can find 2 or 3 +100 and up baseball or soccer totals

                                                  each day , thats over 1000 wagers per year and show a small profit.

                                                  ADD some cash bonuses to that and we have a small part time income.

                                                  Thats all most players really expect, its the transition from a small

                                                  part time job to a full time job thats the biggest problem . do

                                                  you have any suggestions ?


                                                  noties
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                                                  • Nicky Santoro
                                                    SBR Posting Legend
                                                    • 04-08-08
                                                    • 16103

                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by noties
                                                    nicky thanks for all suggestions on helping us show a profit wagering.

                                                    Small players can find 2 or 3 +100 and up baseball or soccer totals

                                                    each day , thats over 1000 wagers per year and show a small profit.

                                                    ADD some cash bonuses to that and we have a small part time income.

                                                    Thats all most players really expect, its the transition from a small

                                                    part time job to a full time job thats the biggest problem . do

                                                    you have any suggestions ?


                                                    noties
                                                    noties, not sure if you were around in 03/04, but by the sound of your style, you could have made a killing back then.. 40 decent books were offering 30% cash bonus with a 3x rollover, no hold, and no limit.. meaning, you can send 6 books 25k and get 45,000$ cash in your pocket and you were out scalping out the rollover in less than 1 week.. send it all back to NETeller for FREE instantaneously, and then repeat again to 6 new books...this was going on for quite some time. people were making millions each yr from this, no joke..

                                                    i have heard of people doing this..not me, but others were... things have changed over the years... you can still do this, but nowhere near what it used to be. now most books have a 500$ bonus cap, if you're lucky. and no more big bonuses.

                                                    oh have the times changed offshore.
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                                                    • gafl
                                                      SBR Wise Guy
                                                      • 08-07-06
                                                      • 656

                                                      #27
                                                      I find that the more disciplined I am, the better I do. If that means 0 bets one day and 4 the next, so be it. When I bet games that don't quite fit my parameters, I have problems.
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                                                      • eyeball
                                                        SBR Wise Guy
                                                        • 08-14-07
                                                        • 988

                                                        #28
                                                        Does not the juice eat your lunch even if you have +ev bets? Betting 20 games on saturday all +ev to m at -110 would kill you
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                                                        • pavyracer
                                                          SBR Aristocracy
                                                          • 04-12-07
                                                          • 82839

                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by eyeball
                                                          Does not the juice eat your lunch even if you have +ev bets? Betting 20 games on saturday all +ev to m at -110 would kill you
                                                          You have to factor in the rebates or the bonuses. If you are trying to rollover a freeplay it's better to play many games. The juice lost will be earned in making the freeplay rollover and convert it to real cash.
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                                                          • fedtpels
                                                            SBR Sharp
                                                            • 01-08-10
                                                            • 407

                                                            #30
                                                            I do the same thing playing a lot of smaller plays every weekend to rollover my bonus. It's been working out fine so far.
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                                                            • GELATINOUS CUBE
                                                              SBR MVP
                                                              • 08-09-09
                                                              • 4534

                                                              #31
                                                              I-like-to-attack-with-lots-of-bombs-and-missiles-as-well-as-with-infantry-calvary-and-lots-of-little-mines-and-booby-traps.
                                                              Nothing-wrong-with-dropping-a-few-ten-dollar-hollers-with-your-1000-dollar-plays.

                                                              especially-on-dogs.
                                                              blog '09-'10: 37-16: +$31,900
                                                              mlb 2010; 16-12: +$4,540
                                                              gellyhoops 2010: 10-6 +$3,150
                                                              overall: 63-34 +$40,290
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