HERITAGE has surprised me again with their GENEROSITY

[dante1]

I'm glad you say this because i'd say about 35% of people here say they win. Maybe even more.

Rob

I respectfully say that about 98% of those 35% are bs. Unless they are talking about an isolated week or even an isolated month.

Listen, you need proof. Here is something to think about. How many good paid handicappers are there? 10 or a dozen maybe 20, if that. Okay, here is an experiment. If you can get accurate and honest numbers. Check out their percentages on a year to year basis. Do that for let's say 10 years. See how many of those top cappers are in the top 5% year after year after year. You want to know how many, none. Unless they are bs about their records. Even the best, if they are honest admit that they will lose. You must select at about 54% to be a constant winner. The 15 or 20 that do this in 2010, will not do it in 2011. That is all I am saying.

However, I wish everybody the best of luck. I play for fun. If I lose a few grand at the end of the season I feel okay. If it is a decent season and I break even I feel great. If I get lucky and I have a few years and make a little bit, well then I am just the greatest. lol

[mikejamm]

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I'm speaking with other SBR HERITAGE members.........we are part of a very special clan and we know it.

For posters like you that don't have Heritage accounts, simply ignore thread.

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Yeah right! Special clan of losers! "IF" you were winning, just like yis and others have said, they would drop your ass in a heart beat! You're only special, because they have to keep the best suckers on the hook!

[trixtrix]

everyone knows that NO ONE wins in sportsbetting
but EVERYONE wins in mma
can we get along w/ life pls? they're naming a city after me in equador

[flyingillini]

I have been their biggest supporter on the forum. I have been with them for a very long time. They are by far the best book in the business. They have everything one could want. Their Customer Service is second to none, no other book can even come close to their CS. I never have any doubts with anything regarding Heritage, they can do no better.

[robmpink]

Rob

I respectfully say that about 98% of those 35% are bs. Unless they are talking about an isolated week or even an isolated month.

Listen, you need proof. Here is something to think about. How many good paid handicappers are there? 10 or a dozen maybe 20, if that. Okay, here is an experiment. If you can get accurate and honest numbers. Check out their percentages on a year to year basis. Do that for let's say 10 years. See how many of those top cappers are in the top 5% year after year after year. You want to know how many, none. Unless they are bs about their records. Even the best, if they are honest admit that they will lose. You must select at about 54% to be a constant winner. The 15 or 20 that do this in 2010, will not do it in 2011. That is all I am saying.

However, I wish everybody the best of luck. I play for fun. If I lose a few grand at the end of the season I feel okay. If it is a decent season and I break even I feel great. If I get lucky and I have a few years and make a little bit, well then I am just the greatest. lol

I agree with you 100%. See the problem is I'm not sharp, don't cap, have bad money management, etc. Based on that it is hard to call bs to most of the people here or wherever who claim they win most of the time. Yes, I know there are exceptions to the rule. I just don't understand why people have to bs about this.

[dante1]

Rob
Then you're like me, you know your limitations and play for recreation. When I was a pup I lost one ton of money before I decided to go on the other side of the desk. The 70's, 80's and part of the 90's were good years. Those days are gone, but I still need action. So I do this. I follow somebody that is hot, I get service picks and have a good time.

[jeffksu]

I've been playing there a few short weeks and the book is top notch...and their customer service is out of this world...

[Fishhead]

I've been playing there a few short weeks and the book is top notch...and their customer service is out of this world...

What's amazing is that is actually an understatement.


BEST CS in the business...............and starting to pull away.

[Ralphie1412]

Fishhead is a 45 year old samsncharge.....cool thread dude.

[Fishhead]

Fishhead is a 45 year old samsncharge.....cool thread dude.

Worse



I'm 50 and not near as bright as Sammy............



.......but I know how to make a decent living gambling.



It's what I do.........

[terpkeg]

First. is Heritage a charity or a sportsbook? They are making money, right? If they didnt they would not be in business.


I am very fascinated by all of these Heritage threads. I never heard of heritage and I have been floating around these forums since 2003. However, the only peep I have heard about Heritage is from Fishhead. Nothing against FH, but like Yisman said, make of it what you willl, it appears that FH is some sort of shill for Heritage and anything he says cannot be taken seriously.

However, what benefit is their in having/paying a shill, when you do not accept the action they bring in? I tried to open an account with Heritage and was denied. Why would a book not want to take action????? This makes no sense to me. The only thing I can make of this is that: 1) Heritage does not have the financial backing to support more clientele, or 2) Heritage makes a reasonable amount of money from the clients they have (meaning they must have some incredible degenerates to cover all of these low rollover large bonuses) and they do not want to deal with the hassle that comes with more clients, i.e more overhead, employees, stress. But then,, why have a shill on a heavy traffic public forum?

And as for all of Dante's comments. He is probably right. But, I do not think he is right because Math dictates that it is impossible to win. It is because gambling attracts compulsive addictive personalities who have no money management. Most of them also drink and do drugs. I can see this in friends and business acquantinces that gamble compared to the ones who do not. Their moto is: never up enough, always down too much. Many people can start as 20.00 a game bettors and be up 500.00, and want to be up 1000.00. Yet, the second they are down 1.00, that is unacceptable. If you are never up enough and always down too much, you will NEVER win.

I have been keeping meticulous records for some time. My best sports are football and mma. I have won five of the past seven football seasons and have had four straight positive years betting on MMA. However, I am a losing player. I go on a continous cycle where I have good money management, build a bankroll and then breakdown. I tend to make bets larger than I should around times of stress. I noticed when I was studying for my law school finals the past few years I would be making bets 1000% times by average bet for no reason. I would be playing at 2% of my roll, about 50-60 a game for 3 months building my roll, and then in one night make two 500.00 bets on boxing fights, when I dont even follow the sport, and lose. It is crazy how easy for people with our mindset to break down when it comes to gambling.

[Shonner]

First. is Heritage a charity or a sportsbook? They are making money, right? If they didnt they would not be in business.


I am very fascinated by all of these Heritage threads. I never heard of heritage and I have been floating around these forums since 2003. However, the only peep I have heard about Heritage is from Fishhead. Nothing against FH, but like Yisman said, make of it what you willl, it appears that FH is some sort of shill for Heritage and anything he says cannot be taken seriously.

However, what benefit is their in having/paying a shill, when you do not accept the action they bring in? I tried to open an account with Heritage and was denied. Why would a book not want to take action????? This makes no sense to me. The only thing I can make of this is that: 1) Heritage does not have the financial backing to support more clientele, or 2) Heritage makes a reasonable amount of money from the clients they have (meaning they must have some incredible degenerates to cover all of these low rollover large bonuses) and they do not want to deal with the hassle that comes with more clients, i.e more overhead, employees, stress. But then,, why have a shill on a heavy traffic public forum?

And as for all of Dante's comments. He is probably right. But, I do not think he is right because Math dictates that it is impossible to win. It is because gambling attracts compulsive addictive personalities who have no money management. Most of them also drink and do drugs. I can see this in friends and business acquantinces that gamble compared to the ones who do not. Their moto is: never up enough, always down too much. Many people can start as 20.00 a game bettors and be up 500.00, and want to be up 1000.00. Yet, the second they are down 1.00, that is unacceptable. If you are never up enough and always down too much, you will NEVER win.

I have been keeping meticulous records for some time. My best sports are football and mma. I have won five of the past seven football seasons and have had four straight positive years betting on MMA. However, I am a losing player. I go on a continous cycle where I have good money management, build a bankroll and then breakdown. I tend to make bets larger than I should around times of stress. I noticed when I was studying for my law school finals the past few years I would be making bets 1000% times by average bet for no reason. I would be playing at 2% of my roll, about 50-60 a game for 3 months building my roll, and then in one night make two 500.00 bets on boxing fights, when I dont even follow the sport, and lose. It is crazy how easy for people with our mindset to break down when it comes to gambling.

they do take new clients, they take referrals from players.

i don't think people understand that they are selective because they want to maintain a high level of CS, and process payouts fast.

as far as the comment about their financial backing, that has to be the most ignorant, absurd thing i have ever heard. since when would a financially weak book TURN DOWN deposits?? get real, seriously. most books couldn't afford to not take new players or are cold calling players....yet heritage is financially secure enough to not need them.

i love how everyone acts like they are a big time winner and heritage only wants "losers". first off, ive never heard of them kicking out ANYONE, and a lot of their players joined before they went private.

do you know when they went private? right around when there was a big crack down on the processors and internet gaming in general...it makes sense.

comment about FH = no basis, ridiculous. He's exactly right about heritage, i play there and can attest to that. there's a reason why you see a bunch of guys around here begging to get in.

as far as them being a charity, that's ridiculous too. do you not understand that nearly all their promo's revolve around 1 thing?? GETTING MONEY INTO THE BOOK. they all require customer deposits and bring in a ton of money, a lot of people will lose....they have a keen way of getting their players to stay with them and deposit.

they want a loyal, solid customer base. they treat you like you are a VIP client, unlike the shitty ass CS you would get at bookmaker or 5dimes. they treat you like you are family. you can't do that if you take every joe bob dick and harry that want to join.

all you fools better recognize.

and for the record, theyll take any friend i want they told me. and i dont mean dipshits on the internet, but personal friends, they'll take all of mine they said. again, they want to cater to their players.

[terpkeg]

they do take new clients, they take referrals from players.

i don't think people understand that they are selective because they want to maintain a high level of CS, and process payouts fast.

as far as the comment about their financial backing, that has to be the most ignorant, absurd thing i have ever heard. since when would a financially weak book TURN DOWN deposits?? get real, seriously. most books couldn't afford to not take new players or are cold calling players....yet heritage is financially secure enough to not need them.

i love how everyone acts like they are a big time winner and heritage only wants "losers". first off, ive never heard of them kicking out ANYONE, and a lot of their players joined before they went private.

do you know when they went private? right around when there was a big crack down on the processors and internet gaming in general...it makes sense.

comment about FH = no basis, ridiculous. He's exactly right about heritage, i play there and can attest to that. there's a reason why you see a bunch of guys around here begging to get in.

as far as them being a charity, that's ridiculous too. do you not understand that nearly all their promo's revolve around 1 thing?? GETTING MONEY INTO THE BOOK. they all require customer deposits and bring in a ton of money, a lot of people will lose....they have a keen way of getting their players to stay with them and deposit.

they want a loyal, solid customer base. they treat you like you are a VIP client, unlike the shitty ass CS you would get at bookmaker or 5dimes. they treat you like you are family. you can't do that if you take every joe bob dick and harry that want to join.

all you fools better recognize.

and for the record, theyll take any friend i want they told me. and i dont mean dipshits on the internet, but personal friends, they'll take all of mine they said. again, they want to cater to their players.

Did you even read what I wrote?????? Don't bother responding to my comment if you are not going to read past the third line.

[Shonner]

Did you even read what I wrote?????? Don't bother responding to my comment if you are not going to read past the third line.

i read it all and you are over analyzing it. you're wrong.

[terpkeg]

And I hope Fishhed didnt take my comments offensively. All I was saying is that the whole scenerio arose suspicion. But, imo it does not seem like there would be any benefit to shill for a book who wont take the clients the shill is bringing in. I find this interesting... that is all.

[terpkeg]

i read it all and you are over analyzing it. you're wrong.

ok, maybe. i would gladly be a heritage player if i was offered. they told me i may get they march promo. so, we will see.

[Fishhead]

TERPKEG...........im simply a player avocate.


NO SHILL

[Shonner]

ok, maybe. i would gladly be a heritage player if i was offered. they told me i may get they march promo. so, we will see.

its cool man, sorry i got a little fired up. i just get angry when i see anything negative about the book because it's great. i hope you get in. you wont play anywhere else if you do.

the great promo's for everyone, winners or losers...free checks monthly, lightning fast payouts

my favorite is the -108 and the GREAT CS

[Shonner]

TERPKEG...........im simply a player avocate.


NO SHILL

i dont respect a lot of guys around here, FH is one. he's a good guy.

[dark star]

if you have played there for a while and have not gotten kicked out yet then you are losing money

I have been playing there for 5 years & I'm up a nice chunk overall.I only make 1-2 withdrawals a year if that.

I know 2 other guys that are up significantly there and no problems.Guess some people stay under the radar better than others

[Fishhead]

I have been playing there for 5 years & I'm up a nice chunk overall.I only make 1-2 withdrawals a year if that.

I know 2 other guys that are up significantly there and no problems.Guess some people stay under the radar better than others

[Raven66]

I have been their biggest supporter on the forum. I have been with them for a very long time. They are by far the best book in the business. They have everything one could want. Their Customer Service is second to none, no other book can even come close to their CS. I never have any doubts with anything regarding Heritage, they can do no better.

So you played there forever, but are you up? or down?

[Shonner]

I have been playing there for 5 years & I'm up a nice chunk overall.I only make 1-2 withdrawals a year if that.

I know 2 other guys that are up significantly there and no problems.Guess some people stay under the radar better than others

i have never heard of 1 person gettin booted.

they will deactivate accts if they are inactive though.

[Raven66]

Lets get back to your thread......what did you get?

Once I get my AMEX which i applied a few days ago i'm going to deposit with them too.

[Patrick McIrish]

No, not enough said yet. I will have my say now.

I will wager that I am a little older than you. I have played and booked for many many years. In fact, I bet on the first Super Bowl. I ran a book in a NE city for many decades. I have seen literally 100's of players and listened to their bs for years and years and years. All of them winners, but not really.

Oh, you may win a season. You may even win for a year, but that is extremely rare. Winning in the very long run, say 10 years is almost unheard of. You don't do it, and almost nobody does. I don't care what you say or how you swear or anything else. You see my friend. I have been there. I have seen it all. I have listened to people like you most of my life. Big winners, but they never win. Here is what I am saying, if you gamble you can believe that in the long run, the very long run you will be a loser. It is simply a matter of probability. People like you don't understand that. You guys think you have all the answers, when in reality you are all full of shit.

I could easily prove it to you and most everybody else with a year challenge and book a very large bet with you and actually anybody else. But, why bother. It isn't worth it. You keep believing that you are a winner and keep playing, talk to me when you're 60 or 70. Of course, by then I will be gone.

Nobody wins, almost nobody, in the long run. The very long run, it's math my friend, just math.

Dante, no offense but you aren't-weren't cut out for this business. In fact I doubt you ever booked, your comment around post 15 or so gives you away where you say books never win. Not only players lose, you assert all the books lose as well? Where do you think the money goes? If you ever booked, especially back years ago when players were way less sophisticated than they are today you know at least one person that won. If you don't you never booked anyone in your life.

I do agree somewhat with your assertion that all these people that claim to win on the internet (I'm not one of those people BTW) rarely if ever do. The more they talk the less likely it is they are longterm winners. As you say longterm winners on the player side of things is more rare than most think, however they are out there. My Pop if still alive would be about your age, he ran a book 25 years, the game has changed. No longer do you have sheets like the old days, as I said above the overall talent level on the player side has raised significantly. Players with the advent of the internet and other tools have learned to win, you are not only wrong to think nobody wins you absurdly miss the mark. Call any major book in the game today and ask do they know a player that is a longterm winner, all of them will tell you yes. You're a recreational player and I give you credit for realizing it, however you are stuck in the "since I can't win nobody else can win" mode. Where you came up with the notion that books can't win either is beyond me.

Good luck sir, enjoyed the conversation.

[Fishhead]

Dante, no offense but you aren't-weren't cut out for this business. In fact I doubt you ever booked, your comment around post 15 or so gives you away where you say books never win. Not only players lose, you assert all the books lose as well? Where do you think the money goes? If you ever booked, especially back years ago when players were way less sophisticated than they are today you know at least one person that won. If you don't you never booked anyone in your life.

I do agree somewhat with your assertion that all these people that claim to win on the internet (I'm not one of those people BTW) rarely if ever do. The more they talk the less likely it is they are longterm winners. As you say longterm winners on the player side of things is more rare than most think, however they are out there. My Pop if still alive would be about your age, he ran a book 25 years, the game has changed. No longer do you have sheets like the old days, as I said above the overall talent level on the player side has raised significantly. Players with the advent of the internet and other tools have learned to win, you are not only wrong to think nobody wins you absurdly miss the mark. Call any major book in the game today and ask do they know a player that is a longterm winner, all of them will tell you yes. You're a recreational player and I give you credit for realizing it, however you are stuck in the "since I can't win nobody else can win" mode. Where you came up with the notion that books can't win either is beyond me.

Good luck sir, enjoyed the conversation.

[Patrick McIrish]

You guys talking about referrals. Yeah if you refer some clowns in you are fine. Refer some wiseguys and let me know what happens. Not that you guys know any but if you did not only would the wiseguys get ran, you will get ran as well. Just a heads up because I know you aren't smart enough to realize what's going on, refer your buddies, do not refer anyone with a clue if you enjoy playing there.

[Patrick McIrish]

Fish, referring to this comment he made. Seems like a nice guy but does not sound like a book that was open for decades. He was a book about like that Ace character at the RX.

In the very long run, I am afraid we are all losers. With very very few exceptions. I have been around this game too long not to know that. Both sides, bookin and playin. Very few long term winners. In fact, I would be hard pressed to name one.

Huh? Both sides lose, booking and playing?

[Fishhead]

Fish, referring to this comment he made. Seems like a nice guy but does not sound like a book that was open for decades. He was a book about like that Ace character at the RX.





Huh? Both sides lose, booking and playing?

CLASSIC

EVERYONE is a loser in this business................

Where does the money go????

[robmpink]

good job

[robmpink]

shhhhh, I told my black lab a secret just now, but I can't tell you all.

[Fishhead]

Excellent thread gentlemen.......

Thanks again Heritage!!

[Patrick McIrish]

Talk about a deadend game, nobody on either side ever wins!!?? I can speak for one winner - with an 8th grade education, 3 phone lines, a book of tickets and a chalkboard he lived an upper middle class life, sent 5 kids to college, bought a beautiful home and left his widow a nice nestegg to live the rest of her life on. You were not a book that was open for decades and not know at least one winner on either side of the counter, sorry, it just doesn't happen that way. A bookie might snort the nose candy, chase women and gamble away his winnings on the side but he would be a longterm winner, he just made bad decisions with his money. Like my Uncle Wilbur used to say, I'm busted but invested heavily in houses and lots.......... fullhouses and lots of pussy. Lot his ass on women and poker.

[Trident]

Did they get you Heritage kneepads for you to use?

[Fishhead]

McIrish, you a mod here now?

If so, CONGRATS..............WELL DESERVED.