Are the best +EV plays huge MoneyLines ???

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  • nobs
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    • 08-31-09
    • 4216

    #1
    Are the best +EV plays huge MoneyLines ???
    I am starting to think the best +EV plays on the board are huge moneylines. Maybe I have been lucky but I am 20-0 this year in college football.

    All the plays were posted well before gametime, and yes they were all huge ML's, still I played a huge moneyline parlay that paid +325 week 1 and it won and I played a moneyline parlay that paid +117 on saturday and it won.

    Both plays were posted. But thats in the past and thats not what this is about.

    This week I see Alabama is -1800 ML at The Greek ( It may be lower elsewhere, I only checked the greek ).

    Now I am asking, would Duke actually beat Alabama 5.5% of the time ???? I dont think Duke would win 1 out of 50 games against Bama. Everything and I mean everything would have to fall Duke's way for Duke to even have a chance come 4th quarter.

    I know that -1800 would be a no go for most bettors. Lets be honest here, 99 % of bettors have limited funds and they want to bet their $300 and try to win another $300, not to try and win $17. I understand that as my funds are limited as well.

    Just the same, we all know that betting single games ATS is a tough road. 52% winners loses you money at full juice, and very very few can hit even 52% long term.

    My theory here is that the only real consistent +EV plays are found in huge moneylines where the book figures -1800 is enough where they wont get crushed on people playing the Bama ML. By keeping it low like that they dont have to offer much on DUKE ML as books dont want to take a chance on getting crushed with a couple huge upsets.

    The Greek has DUKE ML at +1100. Would anyone on Earth play DUKE ML at +1100 ? I suppose someone would, just hoping to get lucky, but I would need +10000 to consider it.

    Now I know I am long winded but as I further consider these plays. We have Penn State ML -1500 and PURDUE ML -650

    THERE IS NO WAY BALL STATE WILL BEAT PURDUE. Purdue should be -3000 minimum. Im just saying.

    Now im not saying upsets dont happen, of course they do. So I am not saying to bet every huge ML. I wouldnt touch Oklahoma -850 ML because Air Force, well I wouldnt lay -850 ML against Air Force.

    But just the same a 4 team ML parlay here with Bama, Purdue, Penn State, and Ohio State comes out to about -225 or -250. I am just saying, we bet baseball teams all the time at -225 or -250 and anyhing can happen in baseball.

    What is the likelihood of Bama, Purdue, Penn State, and Ohio State all 4 winning this saturday ? I say at least 90%, the ML on this parlay is -250 tops.

    Am I onto something here or have I just got lucky the first two weeks and now my brain is toast ?

    TIA for opinions
  • ngates815
    SBR Posting Legend
    • 12-01-09
    • 13845

    #2
    I've been betting Big ML parlays the first 2 week...Hit both, one was -140 for an 11 teamer last week and one was -200 week 1.


    I was looking at the same exact teams you are for a 4 teamer this week.

    I don't see how Purdue loses. Penn St wont lose to kent state. Bama was pretty low I thought for a ML. And of course Ohio St.

    Was also looking at Mississippi @ home vs Vandy. Wisconsin @ home vs San diego st. Maybe TCU @ home vs Baylor(But I hate betting vs Griffin) but TCU should control him
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    • nobs
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      • 08-31-09
      • 4216

      #3
      I agree, just love those 4 teams as I dont see any of them losing, and -250 is still a 40% return.

      I expected Bama to be at least -5000 with Duke +3500, but the books probably dont want to hang a +3500.

      Still -1800 bama is screaming +EV. And Purdue too -650 ML is the most +EV play on the board.
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      • ngates815
        SBR Posting Legend
        • 12-01-09
        • 13845

        #4
        I did a 7 team.


        $250.00$113.51
        Pending7 Team Parlay




        Pending9/18/10 12:00pm College Football 114 Purdue -670* vs Ball State




        Pending9/18/10 12:00pm College Football 120 Ohio State -12500* vs Ohio




        Pending9/18/10 12:00pm College Football 122 Penn State -1300* vs Kent State




        Pending9/18/10 3:30pm College Football 133 Alabama -1900* vs Duke




        Pending9/18/10 7:00pm College Football 166 Kentucky -3200* vs Akron




        Pending9/18/10 8:00pm College Football 183 Boise State -1900* vs Wyoming




        Pending9/18/10 7:00pm College Football 202 Texas A&M -5000* vs Florida International
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        • ngates815
          SBR Posting Legend
          • 12-01-09
          • 13845

          #5
          I just do these for fun...not to kill the books. Thats why I'm only throwing 250 on it. And I normally would pick all early games, then try one with the later games. But decided on this one to take a couple late games, so if all the early ones hit, then I'll throw 6.50 on the moneyline on FIU and Wyoming, to win 100.
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          • nobs
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            • 08-31-09
            • 4216

            #6
            They all won and there wasnt even a close game.
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            • Flight
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              • 01-28-09
              • 1979

              #7
              I wouldn't call it +EV

              You are just taking extremely short odds. There's a difference between short odds and +EV.

              Keep playing -2000 and you will have a loser. I've seen much higher lose (Tennis)
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              • rm18
                SBR Posting Legend
                • 09-20-05
                • 22291

                #8
                the most +EV play I ever saw was USA basketball -30000 vs. South Korea
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                • nobs
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                  • 08-31-09
                  • 4216

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Flight
                  I wouldn't call it +EV

                  You are just taking extremely short odds. There's a difference between short odds and +EV.

                  Keep playing -2000 and you will have a loser. I've seen much higher lose (Tennis)

                  Its really not the point, of course some plays lose.

                  First week posted ML parlay was + 350
                  Last weeks was +117
                  This weeks was -225

                  They all 3 won.

                  Of course some play some day will lose, but for some reason people think you have to win every +350 ML parlay to come out ahead while they will be lucky to hit 50% ATS and thats ok
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                  • THE PROFIT
                    SBR Posting Legend
                    • 11-27-09
                    • 17701

                    #10
                    ngates, that Miss at home vs Vandy! I know im talking after the game, but how could you even consider that after them losin to a FCS school??? Now they've lost to the worst team in their conference & Sat they will lose to a superior WAC team
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                    • ngates815
                      SBR Posting Legend
                      • 12-01-09
                      • 13845

                      #11
                      Originally posted by THE PROFIT
                      ngates, that Miss at home vs Vandy! I know im talking after the game, but how could you even consider that after them losin to a FCS school??? Now they've lost to the worst team in their conference & Sat they will lose to a superior WAC team


                      I just posted some of the games I thought would be ok from looking at 5dimes lines...And the first week, I thought it was Miss St. that lost to Jacksonville. After I actually looked at the games I was thinking, that one never crossed my mind.
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                      • d2bets
                        BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                        • 08-10-05
                        • 39995

                        #12
                        20 isn't much of a sample at those odds. At most books, you're laying pretty huge vig with those huge ML's. Not saying it's impossible to survive these, but they seem more profitable than they really are until you lose one or two.
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                        • Iceman
                          SBR Sharp
                          • 08-29-08
                          • 486

                          #13
                          Originally posted by d2bets
                          20 isn't much of a sample at those odds. At most books, you're laying pretty huge vig with those huge ML's. Not saying it's impossible to survive these, but they seem more profitable than they really are until you lose one or two.

                          This is exactly where the problem is. Was going to type this same answer in until I got down to the last response here and read this. I went to a seminar a few years back and this was the #1 thing I remembered from it. The vig is really too huge to overcome even when you get past -180 or so. Unless your price that you are betting is less then the dog price at say Pinny, which is something that you will probably never find.

                          So for example the biggest game on the board currently (because no one has ML's up yet for Saturday's games) is TCU -1000/+700. So if you can somehow find less then TCU -700 then you might be onto something +ev longterm. Either way it looks good on paper so don't let me deter you at all. I am just going by what I was told. If you truly feel that that these lines have value in your estimation then go for it.

                          Good luck. You make some very interesting points. My best advice is to always line shop like a mad man.
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                          • donjuan
                            SBR MVP
                            • 08-29-07
                            • 3993

                            #14
                            Originally posted by rm18
                            the most +EV play I ever saw was USA basketball -30000 vs. South Korea
                            The most +ev play you ever saw had an edge of .33% if they won 100% of the time?
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                            • donjuan
                              SBR MVP
                              • 08-29-07
                              • 3993

                              #15
                              BTW, long MLs can often have +ev because the public hates laying odds. Look no further than the ML/spread distortions that occur during the Super Bowl, particularly at the rec books but even at the sharper ones. Also they can be good if you want to get more down on a game via a parlay. But doing this because you think a team can't lose is a recipe for disaster.
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                              • Flight
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                                • 01-28-09
                                • 1979

                                #16
                                OP, if you can come up with an estimate of a play's probability of winning, p, and it is better than the moneyline, you should bet it. The trick is repeatable getting an accurate estimate of a play's probability. In some markets it is easy, or often "good enough" to beat the offered ML. (I don't find long NCAAFB ML to be easy at all... it is treacherous)

                                Betting 4 team ML parlays at -1500 with no estimation of each play's p and calculating your overall edge... is not +EV. I've tried this myself long ago, it will eventually fail. No different than betting the J Morrison system 3 times in a row on a -200 chase... You are essentially betting a -800 series and it wins often, but not enough to be profitable.

                                But like donjuan said, maybe you can find value there. Your example of Alabama -1800 versus Duke was a good one. Good luck continuing down this path. You should be able to find better value than this. It is like walking through a minefield. I prefer the opposite... laying mines for the sportsbook to step on.
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                                • nobs
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                                  • 08-31-09
                                  • 4216

                                  #17
                                  its just looks to me like the Bama -1800 and the Purdue -650 were crazy +EV.

                                  To me if Bama is -1800 and Duke is +1750, then Bama is no more +EV then if Bama is -1800 and Duke is +100. The spread doesnt really matter. If Bama is -1800 in a spot they will win 99% of the time, then its +EV whether duke is +1750 or +100.
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                                  • wrongturn
                                    SBR MVP
                                    • 06-06-06
                                    • 2228

                                    #18
                                    Disasters occur at the time when they are least expected. I had a few before.
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