Her ears and nose were severed for the horrible crime of fleeing an arranged marriage

[shari91]

This is a cultural issue, not a religious one. I don't disagree that many of the Afghan tribes are savages by comparison to our culture, but us continuing to bomb them does nothing to help us or them.

Exactly what I was trying to say. The only ones who can change a culture are those living within it. It's not our place to say what's wrong or right and it's pointless to even try.

[tltaylor89]

Let Muslims be Muslims Jews be Jews Christians be Christians .As long as they are threatning my well being I'm fine with everyone.Paco demonstrates not all Muslims are terroist ,but they do love their multiple women I agree with him on that one.

[thechaoz]

Not our place to judge here They have their own rules We cannot relate

Best fvcken answer right here. Thank You.

Wow I respect you guys, but I hope you are kidding. There is a difference between being tolerant of cultures and religion and standing by while women and children and tortured and mutilated. It's mankind and all of our fking business. That being said yes it's just as bad as us bombing innocent people in Iraq, etc for which I am completely against.

[19th Hole]

Not our place to judge here

They have their own rules

We cannot relate

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Cannot relate?
Cannot fvcking RELATE?
What the fvck are you on...Cannot relate.

Animals would not behave in this manner.
God help us all.A child has her face mutulated and you say that
we cannot fvckin' relate??

This is a sad ,sad commentary on the state of the
world when your defense is that we cannot relate.
Who among us would stand and watch these barbarians w/o lifting a finger?

[Extra Innings]

I don't gamble, I sports invest.

Gambling is casino games where u have no edge.

Paco, I've seen you mention that you're Muslim before.

Kind of curious, from everything I've read, in general, Muslims aren't supposed to drink or go to strip bars and get blowjobs.

What's your take on this?

[Extra Innings]

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Cannot relate?
Cannot fvcking RELATE?
What the fvck are you on...Cannot relate.

Animals would not behave in this manner.
God help us all.A child has her face mutulated and you say that
we cannot fvckin' relate??

This is a sad ,sad commentary on the state of the
world when your defense is that we cannot relate.
Who among us would stand and watch these barbarians w/o lifting a finger?

I guess we couldn't relate to Hitler when he was gassing and burning Jews either

[paco]

Paco, I've seen you mention that you're Muslim before. Kind of curious, from everything I've read, in general, Muslims aren't supposed to drink or go to strip bars and get blowjobs. What's your take on this?

Very true. I will have to account for my sins.

[DiggityDaggityDo]

Paco, are you a practicing muslim? Because with your lifestyle, my guess is you are down to about 47 virgins when you get to heaven. 99 would have been sweet tho.

[Extra Innings]

Paco, are you a practicing muslim? Because with your lifestyle, my guess is you are down to about 47 virgins when you get to heaven. 99 would have been sweet tho.

72

[mikejamm]

Not a fan of any religion as they all have alot of fukin hang ups, but fuk these goddamn muslims! I've met alot of religious people & most of them are unnerving, but these fuks take the cake. But the real kicker is the majority of them want me dead just because I'm an American. The American muslims preach a hatred toward the American way of life. I frown upon that.

WWMD? He'd kill your infidel ass!

Yeah I totally agree, These ignorant muslim fuk's are all fine and dandy as long as their women are walking behind them wearing a black fuk'in bag over their head and it's perfectly ok to mutilate their women if they get out of line or want an education. This is exactly the reason why all so called muslim americans are on 24 hour fuk'in close watch right now! You all claim to be so god damn peaceful as long as everyone believes in your cock sucking muhummad and that book of bullshit you call the koran! Make no mistake about it, America won't get fooled again! Think about that next time you're bent over sniffing your ass carpet in some all male mosque where women are not allowed. It was muslims that that flew planes into buildings killing thousands of innocent people, it was a muslim that fired on innocent people at Ft. Hood Texas. It's muslims who continue to suicide bomb and kill their own people and aid workers in foreign countries for fear and ignorance that the the West or Americans are out to change their life or way of thinking. Here's a clue, Go Fuk Yourselves! Muslims and Peace should never be mentioned in the same sentence, cause those bastards have no ideal what it means.

[paco]

Mikejamm,

[19th Hole]

When you're growing up to become a man....
It's natural to investigate and evaluate ALL of the religions
of the world.
But I don't believe that a rational
man could come to the conclusion...."Yeah, I think that I'll
become a Muslim...yeah, that makes sense.
This is the perfect way to live my life and seek salvation."
I don't think so. IMHO.

[Boner_18]

Paco, I've seen you mention that you're Muslim before.

Kind of curious, from everything I've read, in general, Muslims aren't supposed to drink or go to strip bars and get blowjobs.

What's your take on this?

Paco is a Muslim like Ttalylor is an prop trader... ON THE INTERNET!

[pavyracer]

Paco, are you a practicing muslim? Because with your lifestyle, my guess is you are down to about 47 virgins when you get to heaven. 99 would have been sweet tho.

He will find out when he goes to heaven that the virgins in heaven are not all female and the female ones have facial hair.

[SRBI]

Religion......get a new hobby, that's my suggestion. I was raised Greek Orthodox (Christian) but to be honest with you I never saw or spoke to god (even after all my shroom and acid experiments) so I can't say I believe in any of it. Muslim people need to wake the fuqk up and realize they believe in a myth, just like most other followers of religion.

...or they can keep defending and believing in their little Fantasy, whatever floats the boat

Heaven...hell......good luck to ya pal!

[gangeriver]

The TIME was a legend.novadays it is like a clown. What does "what happen if we leave Afghanistan?" mean. USA planes bombard all over the world. Iraq, Libya,Afghanistan...we don't forget.American soldiers killed lots of people in Vietnam,Japan islands. They burned Japan soldiers with flame machine.

Unfortunately American people like blind. They trust still their politicians and they trust their TV clannels and magazines.
U.S. goverments have encouraged and supported Taliban many of years.especially 80's. When SSCB ended, U.S cut his support.Because U.S goverment afreid of communism.so they have established Taliban. All the world know this.

We don't forget Hirosima and Nagazaki. Wild U.S goverments and TIME should look at the mirror firstly!






TIME should put it!

[MartinBlank]

She Is a citizen of a Muslim country where Sharia Law is "Law".



Why u guys care?

Good point, why should we care about some poor girl getting shit cut off her body because muslims have hangups about women?

I suppose the positive side of this would be----if muslim men continue to rape, torture and kill their women----they won't be able to bring more hateful male children into the world.

[mikejamm]

Mikejamm,

Yeah whatever paco! Real muslimmy of you! A muslim who gambles and flashes gang signs! I'm sure muhummad will keep extra camel ass fresh for you.

[mikejamm]

He will find out when he goes to heaven that the virgins in heaven are not all female and the female ones have facial hair.

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More like 72 mutated virgins with a bad case of pms and castration knives in hand! Hey, that prick muhummad really does have a sense of humor! 72 virgins who plan on staying that way!

[mikejamm]

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Cannot relate?
Cannot fvcking RELATE?
What the fvck are you on...Cannot relate.

Animals would not behave in this manner.
God help us all.A child has her face mutulated and you say that
we cannot fvckin' relate??

This is a sad ,sad commentary on the state of the
world when your defense is that we cannot relate.
Who among us would stand and watch these barbarians w/o lifting a finger?

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Best fuk'in post in this whole thread! I for one will not stand for it! That's why it's a very different America now and we all need to be aware and on guard! This girl could easily be your daughter, sister, friend, and these muslim scum fuks with their ignorant zealot religion are way below animals.

[unusialsusp5]

no we must continue to bomb them until they are all wiped out. every mosque must be burned or bombed. every muslim must be rounded up barged out and sunk before it is too late.

[shari91]

============================ Best fuk'in post in this whole thread! I for one will not stand for it! That's why it's a very different America now and we all need to be aware and on guard! This girl could easily be your daughter, sister, friend, and these muslim scum fuks with their ignorant zealot religion are way below animals.

I honestly think if we thought about this more deeply, we'd agree with jj's assertion that we cannot relate.

You think this is wrong because in our culture we 'know' it is. And as a woman, I say thank fukk to that. I'm sure everyone who posted in this thread has a female relative and/or friend who has done something punishable by Shari'a law. I know I have and honestly, I'm as straight-laced as they come. I'd be fukked (not literally obviously) if I lived in country where Shari'a law prevailed.

But we have no clue how we'd react if this was the only culture we grew up amongst. This shapes every ounce of your being, just as our ways shape ours. You can't tell me honestly that you wouldn't be the one to throw acid on the face of a girl or cut her clit apart. You can't say that because you didn't grow up there, amongst it. You're framing your judgments from your position now, and while it's valid in that I believe if you have a pulse your opinion counts, I can't say we truly have an understanding of what's going on. Rationally we don't know. Just as those from other cultures can't comprehend how we spend 35% or more of our income on shelter when we could live for free. Or why the US has the highest rate of obesity in the world yet 3 million of its citizens are starving to death.

Believe me, hearing these stories kill me and Paco is a close friend (disclaimer). But I can't be so arrogant to say that I wouldn't support or understand laws in another country until I've lived them myself. For all I know I'd be the first one throwing stones if some chick stepped out on my brother or even a close guy friend. And I'm literally the least violent person I've ever encountered. The point is, I don't know. And until then, I can have my opinions but it's prudent for me to reserve judgment about an entire culture that I truly will never understand because I've never lived it.

[thisisit]

Exactly what I was trying to say. The only ones who can change a culture are those living within it. It's not our place to say what's wrong or right and it's pointless to even try.

if its not our right then why did we go to Europe during WW2? It was not our right to say hey Germans stop killing innocent people. Right is right that simple, and interesting that a man never gets the same type of punishment as a woman.

[shari91]

if its not our right then why did we go to Europe during WW2? It was not our right to say hey Germans stop killing innocent people. Right is right that simple, and interesting that a man never gets the same type of punishment as a woman.

Is that really why North Americans went there during WW2?

And I agree. If you want to start a culture with me where it's equal punishment for the sexes then I promise I'll be the first to sign up. We can't even get gender equality in so-called 'right' countries. We'll look pretty silly if 'bad' countries sort it out before we do.

[beach nut]

Just one more example how Islam is a cult filled with uncivilized barbarians.

[wtf]

Not our place to judge here

They have their own rules

We cannot relate

your right jj, nobody can relate they are sub-human, just like you and your pea sized brain u fukin tool

[MartinBlank]

I honestly think if we thought about this more deeply, we'd agree with jj's assertion that we cannot relate.

You think this is wrong because in our culture we 'know' it is. And as a woman, I say thank fukk to that. I'm sure everyone who posted in this thread has a female relative and/or friend who has done something punishable by Shari'a law. I know I have and honestly, I'm as straight-laced as they come. I'd be fukked (not literally obviously) if I lived in country where Shari'a law prevailed.

But we have no clue how we'd react if this was the only culture we grew up amongst. This shapes every ounce of your being, just as our ways shape ours. You can't tell me honestly that you wouldn't be the one to throw acid on the face of a girl or cut her clit apart. You can't say that because you didn't grow up there, amongst it. You're framing your judgments from your position now, and while it's valid in that I believe if you have a pulse your opinion counts, I can't say we truly have an understanding of what's going on. Rationally we don't know. Just as those from other cultures can't comprehend how we spend 35% or more of our income on shelter when we could live for free. Or why the US has the highest rate of obesity in the world yet 3 million of its citizens are starving to death.

Believe me, hearing these stories kill me and Paco is a close friend (disclaimer). But I can't be so arrogant to say that I wouldn't support or understand laws in another country until I've lived them myself. For all I know I'd be the first one throwing stones if some chick stepped out on my brother or even a close guy friend. And I'm literally the least violent person I've ever encountered. The point is, I don't know. And until then, I can have my opinions but it's prudent for me to reserve judgment about an entire culture that I truly will never understand because I've never lived it.

This is NOT a cultural issue.

This is a human being issue.

Saying this is cultural would be like saying people in the south should still be able to own slaves because it is "cultural".

I don't have to live in Alabama or Mississippi to know it isn't polite to hang someone from a tree because they have a different skin color.

I do not have to live in the middle east to know that you should not treat women and young girls this way. It is inhumane and evil.

The first redeeming quality I see from Muslims will be the first. Say what you want about religion---and it is wacky-------what exactly are muslims offering the non-believers? Oh yeah, I know----death.

[shari91]

Wtf, considering you live on this side of the world you may understand this more than most.

When I first moved to Australia, there was an Australian citizen (born in Vietnam) who got busted smuggling heroin into Vietnam. He was executed there. While some Aussies felt it was wrong, others maintained that it was their laws and they had the right to do what they saw fit.

Now there is a very famous case here of a chick, Shapelle Corby, who was sentenced to life imprisonment for smuggling 4kgs of marijuana in a boogey board case into Indonesia. First offense. She's already served something like 6 years but still when they take polls, the majority of Aussies say she should serve out her sentence although she's actually now been declared clinically insane due to her time in a Bali prison.

These are their laws and their culture. No amount of begging has changed anything and why? Just as we as a people would throw down anyone who came into our country and said the way we were doing things for 200 years was wrong - actually even less than 200 years thanks to Martin reminding me ie slavery -(and remember, their cultures have existed thousands of years before ours were even dreamt of), they're doing the same thing. Be realistic people.

[wtf]

shari, i remember the case, the vietnamese dude was part of a gang that got caught

i think you are splitting hairs on this issue as it could EASILY BE ARGUED IN ANY COUNTRY that drugs smugglers SHOULD ALL BE EXECUTED, the amount of pain they spread absolutely warrants it

stoning women to death for adultery
cutting their nose off for disobeying

is beyond the pale of humane treatment and is savage

[mikejamm]

[quote=shari91;6069153]I honestly think if we thought about this more deeply, we'd agree with jj's assertion that we cannot relate.

You think this is wrong because in our culture we 'know' it is. And as a woman, I say thank fukk to that. I'm sure everyone who posted in this thread has a female relative and/or friend who has done something punishable by Shari'a law. I know I have and honestly, I'm as straight-laced as they come. I'd be fukked (not literally obviously) if I lived in country where Shari'a law prevailed.

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Way to go Shari, stand on the sidelines and agree with jj's stupidity and defend your good buddy paco! You, of all people, being a female, should have the most distain for such barbaric treatment of women! Human beings and especially life giving child bearing women are sacred, and deserve to be treated as such. You think some bullshit fuk'ing muslim law warrants the the mutation of a women? I just hope for your sake your daughter never falls for one of these evil bastards. You'd probably feel a bit different if she came to visit you and her ears and nose were cut the hell off now wouldn't you? So according to you, it's wrong in "our" culture but ok for these ignorant fuk's to kill and mutilate women, strap a bomb on and kill innocent people because some fake ass prophet and a koran book of lies written so far back that those assholes thought a shooting star was a sign from their malevolent god? Like a poster stated earlier, I'm glad we didn't decide when hitler was exterminating the jews, that hey what the fuk do we know, it must be the german way! You know, I expected more intelligence from a women's point of view, you did get one part right though, be very fuk'in glad you don't live in a shit hole muslim country with their butcher laws, because your buddy paco and all his friends would stand right there and wouldn't say shit as they were slicing you up!

[MartinBlank]

Wtf, considering you live on this side of the world you may understand this more than most.

When I first moved to Australia, there was an Australian citizen (born in Vietnam) who got busted smuggling heroin into Vietnam. He was executed there. While some Aussies felt it was wrong, others maintained that it was their laws and they had the right to do what they saw fit.

Now there is a very famous case here of a chick, Shapelle Corby, who was sentenced to life imprisonment for smuggling 4kgs of marijuana in a boogey board case into Indonesia. First offense. She's already served something like 6 years but still when they take polls, the majority of Aussies say she should serve out her sentence although she's actually now been declared clinically insane due to her time in a Bali prison.

These are their laws and their culture. No amount of begging has changed anything and why? Just as we as a people would throw down anyone who came into our country and said the way we were doing things for 200 years was wrong - actually even less than 200 years thanks to Martin reminding me ie slavery -(and remember, their cultures have existed thousands of years before ours were even dreamt of), they're doing the same thing. Be realistic people.

Shari, again, I don't think your examples are relevant to Muslim culture.

You are explaining the punishment of actual criminals----on a morality scale----smuggling heroin should be punished as a country sees fit. Talking to a man should not expose a woman to being stoned to death. While they both may be "criminal" in the eyes of the home country----they are clearly not the same thing.

It is immoral to deny women the same freedoms that men enjoy. It becomes downright evil when you kill and torture women as punishment for the basic freedoms of everyday life.

This is not cultural any more than slavery or apartheid was. It is a group of individuals trying to suppress and own another group of people they view as inferior.

[paco]

[pavyracer]

There is a big misconception on this issue. Only a small minority of Muslims committ the mutilation crimes. And these people committ these crimes because they are uneducated. If you ever meet Muslims that have been raised in Western countries or have been to Western universities as students they do not do this crap. If they want to treat their women like livestock is fine with me. They will meet their judge in Hell and instead of getting 72 virgins they will get 72 hairy dudes with 12 inch cocks!

[51684]

Islam is the religion of peace...

[mikejamm]

Shari, again, I don't think your examples are relevant to Muslim culture.

You are explaining the punishment of actual criminals----on a morality scale----smuggling heroin should be punished as a country sees fit. Talking to a man should not expose a woman to being stoned to death. While they both may be "criminal" in the eyes of the home country----they are clearly not the same thing.

It is immoral to deny women the same freedoms that men enjoy. It becomes downright evil when you kill and torture women as punishment for the basic freedoms of everyday life.

This is not cultural any more than slavery or apartheid was. It is a group of individuals trying to suppress and own another group of people they view as inferior.

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Right on bro! And well said! I might add that we over came the ignorance of slavery and apartheid because good decent people came to the conclusion through understanding and education that it was wrong and changed it. Do muslims have this ability? Right now there is a story in the headlines about a woman in Iran who is to be stoned to death because she was found guilty by an all male court of course, of infidelity. Doesn't matter that there is no proof or evidence that she was unfaithful, according to fuk'ed up muslim law, a man only has to say that she is! So stupid is a faith that it destroys it's own people.