Do Books freeroll underage gamblers?

SBR_John · 08-20-10, 06:59 AM

No. All have rules including no minors. You cant free roll a guy who has broken the rules just to have an account in the first place.

rm18 · 08-20-10, 07:03 AM

how old is this guy 17 or 60+?

JerseyShop101 · 08-20-10, 07:28 AM

Originally posted by SBR_John

No. All have rules including no minors. You cant free roll a guy who has broken the rules just to have an account in the first place.

But, what happens when a 17 year old (who either didn't read the rules, or lied about his age when he signed up), makes several deposits offshore- losing all the time and then finally wins and asks for a payout? Would the books pay him if he says he's only 17?

I'm sure we have players here, who either are, or were gambling offshore under 18 years of age. Some posting up to be a "Pro", no doubt.

I would hope the books would pay them.

rm18 · 08-20-10, 07:34 AM

i remember playing against that guy on Bodog poker over 2 years ago unless it was a different iceminers guy

JerseyShop101 · 08-20-10, 07:49 AM

Originally posted by rm18

i remember playing against that guy on Bodog poker over 2 years ago unless it was a different iceminers guy

I believe iceminers is in his twenties, but some posters here and across forumland have said they were gambling offshore since before they were 18. Some have even celebrated their 18th birthday in the forums,

I just think if a book has taken the underage gamblers deposits in the past, they should pay him come payout time, if not, then return the previous deposits. They shouldn't have it both ways and basically freeroll a minor citing their rules that you must be 18 years of age to play offshore. Maybe they should require id when you send the deposit in, but that would be conterproductive to opening new accounts.

Boner_18 · 08-20-10, 08:21 AM

I think they do what you are suggesting but I wouldn't call it freerolling as the risk is on the player, for the most part. A kid in vegas knows he is not allowed to play but he might wander into the fringe slots and dabble a little, only when he wins a big one will he be stopped ("freerolled"). It is impractical for the books, both in vegas and offshore, to verify identity of every player, much easier to just verify the winners.

gafl · 08-20-10, 08:25 AM

Jersey, I agree. Wonder how many books use the age as a reason to confiscate players money. Although it would anger many players, if you're going to have to produce id to cash, thus prolonging the wait for your money, maybe it would be better to get the id at first deposit. This is one of the many arguements that the US gov uses about offshore betting. Just because a player broke the age rules, it doesn't give the book the right to keep his origional deposit.

Boner_18 · 08-20-10, 08:28 AM

Isn't the player "freerolling" the book though by circumventing the rules (presumably intentionally)?

SBR_John · 08-20-10, 08:29 AM

Justin or Bill could probably tell you what SBR considers fair in those cases. Personally, I think the player should have his deposit returned to him less any fees. If he lost the deposit or a previous one he is simply SOL. I would not pay any underage player or any other fraudulent player any winnings. All bets would be voided.

gafl · 08-20-10, 08:42 AM

Boner, am not saying the player is right. But the book shoulders some of the blame here by being lax. John, player should not be entitled to any profits, just getting his deposit back minus expenses. Just seems like a shady book can use age to their advantage, where both the player and book are both wrong by making and accepting a deposit.

JerseyShop101 · 08-20-10, 08:47 AM

Originally posted by Boner_18

Isn't the player "freerolling" the book though by circumventing the rules (presumably intentionally)?

The underage minor gambling addict can't be held liable for his actions, lol. j/k

Thats a good question, but I doubt the underage player who loses money, would be able to get is deposits back citing the under 18 years of age rule at the book he was using. (Hence, trying to freeroll the book)

And I also doubt that he would be able to get any winnings from the book if they found out he was underage.

The book has the upper hand hand in this case (rightfully so, but legally? IDK), but I still think it would be wrong for them to do both, 1) keep the players winnings and/or 2) not reimburse his past deposits.

JerseyShop101 · 08-20-10, 09:26 AM

I wouldn't be surprised if this issue actually arises in the future. With the "peer pressure" to become an "SBR PRO" in the younger crowd, I wouldn't doubt if some of those here that are under the age of 18, will be sending their very first deposit offshore (lying about their age if they have to).

Smoke · 08-20-10, 10:09 AM

Kids under 18 years of age have no business gambling. They should be eating ice cream and playing musical chairs. online books should be penalized if they payout to a minor.

B1GER1C828 · 08-20-10, 10:13 AM

I started gambling before i was 18. Wasn't hard to do at all. Brothers name-My game(tried to rhyme there...). so there isnt much they can do about it.

TT22 · 08-20-10, 10:24 AM

Originally posted by SBR_John

Justin or Bill could probably tell you what SBR considers fair in those cases. Personally, I think the player should have his deposit returned to him less any fees. If he lost the deposit or a previous one he is simply SOL. I would not pay any underage player or any other fraudulent player any winnings. All bets would be voided.

Sounds fair, but here is the problem though. If the underaged player deposits 100$ and wins 1000$, book returns only the deposit of 100$. What if the player deposits 100$ five times before he wins 300$ from his last deposit and asks for a payout? There's not a book in the world that returns the whole 500$. So, yes they are freerolling.

This is just another example of the power the online books have (or think they have) because they are holding the money. They have no big rush to fix their procedure when they can just steal your money, if they don't feel like paying you.

JerseyShop101 · 08-20-10, 10:27 AM

Originally posted by Smoke

Kids under 18 years of age have no business gambling. They should be eating ice cream and playing musical chairs. online books should be penalized if they payout to a minor.

Thats my point, they won't pay out to a minor. But will gladly take the deposits and allow a minor to gamble (no proof of age is required to send funds in). Most books do ask for your DOB on the registration page, but not all do.

Smoke · 08-20-10, 10:36 AM

betjamaica is probably the strictest book out there. nobody under 18 gets paid cause they want everyone to sent a copy of ID and/or utility bill before withdrawal. 5dimes on the other hand pays out to kids all the time, you could be 12 years old and get paid from 5dimes

JerseyShop101 · 08-20-10, 10:38 AM

Originally posted by B1GER1C828

I started gambling before i was 18. Wasn't hard to do at all. Brothers name-My game(tried to rhyme there...). so there isnt much they can do about it.

Thanks B1GER1X828,

See you planned ahead for the winning payout, but I'm sure there are those- some well under 18, that don't think that far ahead.

polskboy · 08-20-10, 10:47 AM

yea i agree with all that (rules) and stuff but listen book making in america is illegal so why all those rules for if the guy have money to play let him play .so what if he is 15,16 or 17 you are not state regulated .if the boy win poker turny pay the man .