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  • leeznon
    SBR Hustler
    • 06-11-10
    • 77

    #1
    Sport With Best Athletes
    I appreciate all sports, but here's my rant about why American Gridiron Football players have the most athletic people in the world.

    American football is the only sport in the world were pure athleticism is tested before entering the league (NFL Combine); other sports have combines but none test the physical attributes of players as does the NFL. It's also one of the only sports that emphasizes athleticism more than skills.
    I'm defining "most athletic" as having the best physical attributes: SPEED, ACCELERATION, AGILITY, STRENGTH, LEAPING ABILITY, PHYSICAL SIZE, & ENDURANCE.

    (skills like hand eye coordination, balance, etc. aren't inthis analysis because those are based more on skills an can be taught over time. They also account for pure athleticism much less than speed, strength, etc.

    SPEED:
    Excluding track sprinters, American Gridiron Football players are the fastest athletes in the world. Anything under 10.60 is considered excellent speed, anything under 10.20 is considered some of the fastest men in the world, and anything under 10.00 is considered some of the fastest people of all time.

    Here are 100m times from some football players
    Jeffery Demps: 9.96 (tied for 47th fastest 100m time ever)
    Trindon Holliday: 10.00(tied for 71st fastest 100m time ever)
    Jacoby Ford: 10.01
    Bob Hayes: 10.06 (he held the World Record years ago)
    Ron Brown: 10.06
    Darrell Green: 10.08
    Jamaal Charles: 10.18
    Hershel Walker: 10.22
    Terrance Newman: 10.29
    *There are so many other football players with faster times, but I'm not going to post them all.

    Reggie Bush was clocked at 22mph during a game (with pads and helmet), Jacoby Ford was clocked at 25.7mph or 41.3kph without pad and helmet, & CJ Spiller (Ford's former team mate) was clocked at 23.1mph. Usain Bolt, the fastest man alive, averaged 23.35mph when breaking the 100m World Record. with a top speed of 27.45mph or 44.2kph.


    ACCELERATION:
    Acceleration is how explosive some is. 40 yard dash times determine someone’s acceleration, or how they go from rest to top speed. Times under 4.60 are considered fast, times under 4.4 are excellent, and times under 4.3 are considered elite.
    NOTE: Justin Gatlin the 7th fastest man in the world with a 100m time of 9.85sec only ran the 40 yard dash in 4.42sec

    Chris Johnson: 4.24 sec
    Rondel Melendez: 4.24
    Jerome Mathis: 4.28
    *There are so many other fast electrically timed results, but I'm not going to post them all.

    Here are some hand timed results:
    Bo Jackson: 4.12
    Michael Bennett: 4.13
    Darrell Green: 4.15
    Deion Sanders: 4.21


    AGILITY/QUICKNESS:
    Agility is the ability to move and change direction quickly. Agility is basically how well you can "juke" and make athletic moves with your body. It's hard to test agility but tests like the 3 cone drill are a good way of showing how quick someone is. It's also difficult to compare agility levels of athletes from different sports because American football players are "juking" bodies rather than using a ball to "juke" like in basketball, football(soccer), and ice hockey were they are using an object to manipulate the opponent. American football players are the only athletes that I've seen who can run at full speed and change direction at extreme angles without losing much speed.

    2008 Olympic Gold Medalist in decathlon, Bryan Clay, ran the 20 yard shuttle in 4.38 sec & the 3 cone drill in 7.85 sec.
    2004 Olympic Gold Medalist in 100m, Justin Gatlin, ran the 20 yard shuttle in 4.4 sec & the 3 cone drill in 7.37 sec.

    American football player, Kevin Kasper, ran the 20 yard shuttle in 3.73 sec. Toby Gerhart ran the same drill in 4.25 sec and he isn't even very quick.
    American football player, Scott Long, ran the 3 cone drill in 6.45 sec. And Marshall Newhouse, a 320lbs (145kg) football player, ran the same drill in 7.40 sec.




    STRENGTH/POWER:

    American football players are extremely strong, bodybuilders and professional weightlifters are the only stronger athletes. There are so many ways to show strength: deadlift, squat, etc but the bench press is the exercise most associated with upper body strength. When a player enters the league, they do as many repetitions of bench pressing 225lbs (102kg). 20 repetitions is considered strong, 30 repetitions is considered excellent, and 40+ is considered elite.

    Justin Ernest: 51 reps (that's a total of 11,475lbs or 5,204kg; that's as much as lifting 3 cars)
    Mike Kudla: 45 reps
    Mitch Petrus: 45 reps
    Brodrick Bunkley: 44 reps
    *There are many other players with more than 40 repetitions.

    It's rumored that Larry Allen could squat and deadlift 900+lbs and had a maximum bench press of 700lbs.


    LEAPING ABILITY:
    American football players have some of the highest jumpers in the world. A vertical jump test how well someone can jumps and shows lower body strength. A vertical of 35" is considered good and a vertical of 40"+ is considered elite. NOTE: The average vertical jump from an NBA basketball player is around 28". There are many offensive linemen (300lb, 136kg men) who have 30"+ verticals.

    Gerald Sensabaugh: 46" vertical
    Derek Wake: 45.5" vertical
    Chris Chambers: 45" vertical
    Chris McKenzie: 45" vertical
    *There are so many more football players with 40"+ verticals.


    (remember that this guy is 270lbs, 122kg.. twice the size of gymnasts & heavier than Dwight Howard)


    PHYSICAL SIZE:
    American football players are the largest athletes in the world in terms of weight and second largest in height behind basketball players. There are many players who weigh more than 300lbs, 136kg and there are players who stand 6'7", 2m in height. These guys are huge.


    ENDURANCE:

    American football players don't have excellent endurance, but decent endurance. In my opinion, endurance is the least important factor in determining athleticism. They get tired after running a long distance but can last a long time when hitting each other and falling down. Despite having lower endurance than other sports like soccer, basketball, and rugby that shows how athletic they are; the more endurance one has, the less athletic they become. For example, a long distance runner who runs the 5,000m is much less athletic than 500m runner who is also less athletic than a 100m or 200m sprinter.

    Also, the endurance of American football players is a different type of endurance than required in other sports; In my opinion it's more difficult to have. A football player runs in bursts. They sprint in short intervals and it's extremely tiring to sprint, stop, sprint, stop, etc. than to jog for long distances. Anyone who knows about running is aware that the start is the hardest part and requires the most energy because you have no momentum. I compare this type of endurance to a car. A car runs much harder when it starts, stops, and changes directions compared to a car that coasts on the highway. This is why cars are have better MPG when on the highway compared to on the city, because they use more energy when starting and stopping.


    *American Football players are the best physical athletes in the world, I didn't include skills like hand eye coordination, balance, etc. into this analysis because those are based more on skills an can be taught over time. They also account for pure athleticism much less than speed, agility, acceleration, strength, leaping ability, physical size, and endurance. This was to show that American football players have the best athletes, not necessarily the best overall athletes or best average athletes


    SOURCES:
    - 100m times are from here: http://www.apulanta.fi/matti/yu/alltime/1_Men.html If you don't believe them look 'em up yourself. (Charles, Walker, and Newman 100m times from wikipedia. They are valid times and were recorded in college track events.)
    - mph times were clocked by NFL technology. Ford & Spiller we clocked on NFL Network during the NFL Combine when running the 40 yard dash. These are top speeds recorded, not average speed. They seem accurate considering these players 100m times. (Reggie Bush was clocked during a NFL game covered by ESPN, not sure how accurate this is but he was recorded having a top speed of 22mph)
    - Justin Gatlin times are from the NFL Combine, he tried out for the NFL but didnt make it. His wikipedia lists the results and are valid times.
    - 40 yard times, verticals, bench press reps, and agility results are also from NFL Combines. This site lists the top results from the combine. http://www.topendsports.com/sport/gr...sults-best.htm
    - Bryan Clays times are from the Nike SPARQ athletic test. They are also valid and there is video of him taking the test. http://inside.nike.com/blogs/sparqtr...eatest-athlete
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    American Football
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    15
    Basketball
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    18
    Rugby
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    Football (soccer)
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    5
    Track & Field
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    4
    Ice Hockey
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    9
    Baseball
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  • Metalhead
    SBR Wise Guy
    • 07-14-09
    • 719

    #2
    Very interesting writeup.
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    • leeznon
      SBR Hustler
      • 06-11-10
      • 77

      #3
      Thanks. I wrote it a couple weeks ago and decided to post it here.
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      • VLR100
        SBR High Roller
        • 01-10-10
        • 217

        #4
        Sure, probably do have the best athletes, but PED abuse seems rife. Look at Cushing, all obvious evidence points to steroid abuse, yet they vote him in AGAIN as D rookie of the year. It seems that steroids and PEDs are just an accepted part of the sport, which no doubt contributes to the athleticism of the NFL player.
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        • Chi_archie
          SBR Aristocracy
          • 07-22-08
          • 63172

          #5
          next time please spend more time on your write up and supporting evidence
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          • leeznon
            SBR Hustler
            • 06-11-10
            • 77

            #6
            All of the numbers are true from what I know. I'm gonna edit the post and include sources.
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            • ronjon619
              SBR MVP
              • 09-06-09
              • 3675

              #7
              Endurance in American football is there. It's measured by contact and non contact positions. Linemen have physical contact on every play by either blocking a 250-300lb guy or fighting off a block by a 300lb player. Rugby has some of the same principals but no where near what Football linemen go through.
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              • leeznon
                SBR Hustler
                • 06-11-10
                • 77

                #8
                I agree, football endurance is very different than most sports. For most sports, endurance is running a long distance over a long period of time. In American football, endurance is quick bursts of energy over a long period of time. The OP talks more about how the running in football is just as demanding as in other sports.
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                • leeznon
                  SBR Hustler
                  • 06-11-10
                  • 77

                  #9
                  Speaking of lineman blocking 300lb guys this video is pretty cool.
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                  • Masu485
                    SBR Hall of Famer
                    • 08-14-08
                    • 7700

                    #10
                    I respect learned skill much more than God-given genetic abilities.
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                    • THEGREAT30
                      SBR Hall of Famer
                      • 10-04-08
                      • 8970

                      #11
                      basketball by far
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                      • dodger33
                        SBR MVP
                        • 08-14-09
                        • 3962

                        #12
                        American Football hands down. Here is one example:
                        Julius Peppers ran a 4.68 40-yard dash at 290 pounds (130 kg) and completed 22 bench press reps at his pro day.
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                        • Sunde91
                          SBR Hall of Famer
                          • 11-26-09
                          • 8325

                          #13
                          So where do you get off coming on here as a European telling us Americans how Football has the best athletes?

                          And they're all black, so who the fuk cares.
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                          • iceminers26
                            SBR Posting Legend
                            • 10-13-08
                            • 15600

                            #14
                            train for football and play a game and then compare it to playing a game of hockey, entirely different training needs to go into hockey, there's in-shape and then there is hockey shape
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                            • ronjon619
                              SBR MVP
                              • 09-06-09
                              • 3675

                              #15
                              i thought hockey was figure skating with a stick.
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                              • leeznon
                                SBR Hustler
                                • 06-11-10
                                • 77

                                #16
                                Originally posted by Masu485
                                I respect learned skill much more than God-given genetic abilities.
                                Skill can be taught and learned from anyone. Athletic abilities are mostly genetic and only a handfull of people are given those abilities. It's more difficult to have than a skill.
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                                • leeznon
                                  SBR Hustler
                                  • 06-11-10
                                  • 77

                                  #17
                                  In this thread I've heard some people say that they think basketball players are more athletic than gridiron players, here's a reason why I disagree.

                                  These are results from the 2009 NBA & 2010 NFL Combines.
                                  (I chose one of the most athletic NBA point guards to go against a player from one of the most nonathletic NFL positions)

                                  NFL
                                  Bruce Campbell (OL) 6' 6" 314 lbs

                                  - Sprint (40 yard distance): 4.85 sec
                                  - Bench Press: 34 reps of 225 lbs (total of 7,650 lbs)
                                  - Vertical Jump: 32"
                                  - Agility Test (3 cone drill; covers 30 yards with 5 changes in direction): 7.58 sec



                                  NBA
                                  Tyreke Evans (PG) 6' 6" 221 lbs

                                  - Sprint (23.5 yard distance): 3.17 sec
                                  - Bench Press: 7 reps of 185 lbs (total of 1,295 lbs)
                                  - Vertical Jump: 28.5"
                                  - Agility Test (Lane agility; covers 46.6 yards, with 7 changes in direction): 11.81 sec




                                  Acceleration: Evans' sprint time is much less impressive than Campbell's. Evans' runs 16.5 yards less than Campbell and is 1.68 seconds apart. According to these times, Evans would run the 40 yards in over 5 seconds.
                                  Strength: Campbell lifts over 6,000 total pounds than Evans. That's more than a large car.
                                  Leaping Ability: Campbell is 93 lbs heavier than Evans, but he jumps 3.5" higher.
                                  Agility: These are 2 completely different tests but, they are pretty even for both athletes.



                                  The are other things that determine athleticism but these were the results that I found from each combine.

                                  Source:
                                  - For Evans Combine results: http://www.nbadraft.net/node/6301
                                  - For Campbell's Combine results: http://www.nfl.com/combine/top-performers
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                                  • goofyre
                                    SBR MVP
                                    • 04-20-10
                                    • 1933

                                    #18
                                    I bet you played football in school?
                                    Also the reason they cover so many different aspects of your attributes of athleticism is because there are so many different positions. In other sports most players can play every position on the field. Not in football.
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                                    • leeznon
                                      SBR Hustler
                                      • 06-11-10
                                      • 77

                                      #19
                                      I agree. In football you have the Wide Receivers who are pure speed and vertical jumping; Offensive Lineman are pure power/strength; Running Backs are pure agility and speed; Tight Ends are pure strength and speed; etc.

                                      It's also extremely hard for that reason. Every position is played by a specialist who only does his job. Not like in other sports were players play with 50% effort for offense and defense.
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                                      • Shortstop
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                                        • 01-02-09
                                        • 27281

                                        #20
                                        Baseball players, without a doubt...
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                                        • Naz18
                                          SBR MVP
                                          • 09-10-09
                                          • 4277

                                          #21
                                          HGH
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                                          • tblues2005
                                            SBR Hall of Famer
                                            • 07-30-06
                                            • 9235

                                            #22
                                            I think NFL football players have to be the best athletes no doubt.
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                                            • M@ximo
                                              Restricted User
                                              • 03-16-10
                                              • 375

                                              #23
                                              IMO, basketball players are the greatest athlets.., but i'm always amazed by soccer tricks.., takes a lot of skills to make those movements and keeping the ball close to your feet... it looks amazing...



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                                              • str
                                                SBR Posting Legend
                                                • 01-12-09
                                                • 11820

                                                #24
                                                My vote is American football.
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                                                • brooks85
                                                  SBR Aristocracy
                                                  • 01-05-09
                                                  • 44709

                                                  #25
                                                  MMA easily

                                                  as a whole, football wins with hockey being a close second, but the top athletes in mma are superior.
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                                                  • sundin4prez
                                                    SBR MVP
                                                    • 03-09-10
                                                    • 1970

                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by brooks85
                                                    MMA easily

                                                    as a whole, football wins with hockey being a close second, but the top athletes in mma are superior.
                                                    this...... looking up at the poll........ basketball number 2 so far
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                                                    • leeznon
                                                      SBR Hustler
                                                      • 06-11-10
                                                      • 77

                                                      #27
                                                      Sorry I forgot to add MMA/boxing to the poll :P
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                                                      • all_wade
                                                        Restricted User
                                                        • 12-07-09
                                                        • 275

                                                        #28
                                                        basketball players all the way
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                                                        • leeznon
                                                          SBR Hustler
                                                          • 06-11-10
                                                          • 77

                                                          #29


                                                          Vernon Davis: 6'3" 253lbs
                                                          4.38 in 40 yard dash
                                                          42" vertical
                                                          10'8" standing broad jump
                                                          33 repetitions of 225lbs (7,425 total pounds)
                                                          6'5" high jump
                                                          Max bench press of 465lbs
                                                          Power cleans 355lbs
                                                          Squats 685lbs
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                                                          • jbrent95
                                                            SBR MVP
                                                            • 12-07-09
                                                            • 1221

                                                            #30
                                                            MLB First basemen and NASCAR tire changers.
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                                                            • leeznon
                                                              SBR Hustler
                                                              • 06-11-10
                                                              • 77

                                                              #31
                                                              I don't get why basketball has so many votes. They are the most overrated athletes, they're just good athletes for their size. Just look at my post comparing Tyreke Evans (rookie of the year) to Bruce Campbell (offensive lineman). Campbell is almost 100lbs heavier and is faster, stronger, and has a higher jump.
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                                                              • mike1234
                                                                SBR Sharp
                                                                • 09-06-07
                                                                • 457

                                                                #32
                                                                This is excellent! Thanks.
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                                                                • Snowball
                                                                  BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                                                  • 11-15-09
                                                                  • 30064

                                                                  #33
                                                                  Track and Field, hands down.
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                                                                  • leeznon
                                                                    SBR Hustler
                                                                    • 06-11-10
                                                                    • 77

                                                                    #34
                                                                    ^ I think track and field athletes are insane athletes.

                                                                    But they are lacking in strength/power & agility/quickness. Just look at the OP about Clay and Gatlin's results (they have the quickness of 300lb NFL players)
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                                                                    • leeznon
                                                                      SBR Hustler
                                                                      • 06-11-10
                                                                      • 77

                                                                      #35
                                                                      Jeff Demps recently broke the 10.0 sec mark in the 100m & crowned the NCAA 100m Champion.
                                                                      He ran it in
                                                                      9.96sec (tied for 47th all time)

                                                                      Demps is the running back for the Florida Gators.
                                                                      He is the first athlete other than a track athlete to break the 10.0 sec mark.

                                                                      This is incredible news. With that time, he would qualify for the Olympics as a 100m runner.
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