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    Dsi fp question

    So i just got off live chat . I deposited and got a FP bonus. It was on 3 games. I lost the normal cash in the casino so i just threw the rest on a 3 game parlay.

    I won 2 and pushed the other. The bet after 8 hours is still not graded. But she said the entire thing lost. It does say in the rules a push is considered a loss. But isn't even if the 1 game is a loss a 3-game parlay is like 3 separate bets. So the i should have still won right? I asked her "So if i bet a FP and bet on a 9 game parlay and 8 won and 1 pushed you are telling me the entire parlay loses?" She said Yes. Maybe i am wrong but this makes mo sense to me. Even if the push is considered a loss you should still win something right? Am i wrong or did DSI just screw me?

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    On a parlay you wagered with your balance (non-FP), yes a push reverts the parlay payout to the next lowest leg, i.e. an 8 teamer pays as a 7 teamer.

    But, from house rules under Basic Free Play Rules, the sportsbook lists the following:

    4. Any free play that results in a tie/push is graded as a loss.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SBR Forum View Post
    On a parlay you wagered with your balance (non-FP), yes a push reverts the parlay payout to the next lowest leg, i.e. an 8 teamer pays as a 7 teamer.

    But, from house rules under Basic Free Play Rules, the sportsbook lists the following:

    4. Any free play that results in a tie/push is graded as a loss.
    Yea but an entire parlay ? I understand a push is a loss i thought that meant for that particular game. Which still is not fair because it was not a loss . But to make it even worse and make an entire parlay lose just does not seem fair.

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    Quote Originally Posted by captrobey View Post
    Yea but an entire parlay ? I understand a push is a loss i thought that meant for that particular game. Which still is not fair because it was not a loss . But to make it even worse and make an entire parlay lose just does not seem fair.
    I noticed also that their rules state you cannot use a freeplay on 3 team parlays any longer- this is a new rule change. i'm not sure when this change came into effect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by temple2010 View Post
    I noticed also that their rules state you cannot use a freeplay on 3 team parlays any longer- this is a new rule change. i'm not sure when this change came into effect.
    Yea after i did it i saw that too. But it did let me do it. So really i guess even if i had won they would have probably used that as an excuse not to pay me too. If they want to get technical they should give me my FP back since i guess it should have never took it in the first place.

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    What really blows my mind is not really the 3 game i lost it would not have been a ton maybe $350 or so. If the other game that pushed won it would have been $1200. What really blows my mind is if someone had bet a 10 game parlay and won 9 and pushed 1 that parlay still would have totally lost. Can you imagine that? I hit a $40 5 teamer that won $900 a a ways back. I can only imagine how someone would feel on a bigger one and losing it all because one game was a push and not even a loss.

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    Quote Originally Posted by captrobey View Post

    Yea but an entire parlay ? I understand a push is a loss i thought that meant for that particular game. Which still is not fair because it was not a loss . But to make it even worse and make an entire parlay lose just does not seem fair.
    Well yeah. Only 1 leg needs to lose for the entire parlay to lose. And for freeplays a push is counted as a loss.

    It's not that unusual. The SBR Book software runs that way by default too. I think plenty of books do.
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    Miss 1 game and questioning if parlay is loss? Where that come from?
    Even in SBR book when you bet fp if push,you lose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moojoo View Post
    Miss 1 game and questioning if parlay is loss? Where that come from?
    Even in SBR book when you bet fp if push,you lose.
    A 3 game parlay not a 2 game one. Oh wait your right i am thinking a Reverse . A reverse would have won something right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Optional View Post
    Well yeah. Only 1 leg needs to lose for the entire parlay to lose. And for freeplays a push is counted as a loss.

    It's not that unusual. The SBR Book software runs that way by default too. I think plenty of books do.
    Your right i was thinking a reverse . But still could you imagine someone using a FP on a 10 game parlay winning 9 and pushing 1 and losing the entire thing?

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    That would suck. Even worse than me missing last leg of 7 to sweep the NHL board for 150/1 last night :\

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    Quote Originally Posted by Optional View Post
    That would suck. Even worse than me missing last leg of 7 to sweep the NHL board for 150/1 last night :\
    Ouch !!!!

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    A 3 team parlay with 2 wins and a loss doesn't lose- it gets reverted to a 2 team parlay which would win. (i realize in this case ties lose with the freeplay) I would contact a manager and see if they could give you the freeplay back as a gesture of goodwill, that would be good advertising for them on here for sure. On side note, always use the freeplay to turn it to cash with every combination of parlays with half point lines (2 team parlays with this site.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by temple2010 View Post
    A 3 team parlay with 2 wins and a loss doesn't lose- it gets reverted to a 2 team parlay which would win. (i realize in this case ties lose with the freeplay) I would contact a manager and see if they could give you the freeplay back as a gesture of goodwill, that would be good advertising for them on here for sure. On side note, always use the freeplay to turn it to cash with every combination of parlays with half point lines (2 team parlays with this site.)
    sorry -meant to say 2 teams winning and a tie doesn't lose

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    I called dsi out first

    no one cared

    you are fukking getting a tie on a single event and is a loss of the parlay

    and how many replies do you have?

    HARDLY ANY

    this is what is wrong with SBR

    people are here for points and to go to bashes

    not to take care of the player, and I have done my best trying to expose this

    maybe finally posting in this thread will get players to respond here

    I have done this with betdsi, betislands, wsex and 1 or 2 others but I forget the name at the time of writing

    people do not care about the winners I gave long ago so I changed. people did not care when I called out books. now I give losers and troll hoping to turn the tied

    it didn't work.

    ill use this site as a for profit only just like many others do that take advantage of sbr


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    Quote Originally Posted by Optional View Post
    That would suck. Even worse than me missing last leg of 7 to sweep the NHL board for 150/1 last night :\
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    Quote Originally Posted by Optional View Post
    Well yeah. Only 1 leg needs to lose for the entire parlay to lose. And for freeplays a push is counted as a loss.

    It's not that unusual. The SBR Book software runs that way by default too. I think plenty of books do.
    oh wow I was wrong

    OPTIONAL MIGHT BE RIGHT HERE????????????

    when the fukk did this change??????????
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    Quote Originally Posted by temple2010 View Post
    sorry -meant to say 2 teams winning and a tie doesn't lose
    Yes but a tie does lose here. That is what i thought though a loss with 2 wins would still win something but i think i was thinking of a reverse. I tried on live chat but the girl would not budge . She actually said after i asked her if i had a 9 team parlay and all won but 1 game you are telling me i would lose the entire thing? She said Yes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RudyRuetigger View Post
    OPTIONAL MIGHT BE RIGHT HERE????????????
    Geez. Is the possibility that shocking!

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    just suck up and say OH OK THANKS MODS

    maybe thread gets deleted and you can keep posting here for the points

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    Quote Originally Posted by Optional View Post
    Geez. Is the possibility that shocking!
    a tie was graded as a loss

    but sbr would credit those posters if it was a tie or game got cancelled

    this is horrible news if is true across the board

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    Quote Originally Posted by RudyRuetigger View Post
    a tie was graded as a loss

    but sbr would credit those posters if it was a tie or game got cancelled

    this is horrible news if is true across the board
    I meant a tie on a single bet

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    Quote Originally Posted by RudyRuetigger View Post
    just suck up and say OH OK THANKS MODS

    maybe thread gets deleted and you can keep posting here for the points
    Yea he is right i was thinking of a reverse. Although counting a push as a loss is still not right.

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    The SBR Book does revert to the next lowest amount on a FP parlay if you have a tie, and winner(s). I've had it happen. Usually, it messes up their system, and you have a negative at risk balance, that you have to contact one of the mods to clean it up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by captrobey View Post
    Yea he is right i was thinking of a reverse. Although counting a push as a loss is still not right.
    keep sucking up
    Quote Originally Posted by TheGuesser View Post
    The SBR Book does revert to the next lowest amount on a FP parlay if you have a tie, and winner(s). I've had it happen. Usually, it messes up their system, and you have a negative at risk balance, that you have to contact one of the mods to clean it up.
    yes, I thought so

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    Read this post Rudy;

    Quote Originally Posted by SBR Forum View Post
    On a parlay you wagered with your balance (non-FP), yes a push reverts the parlay payout to the next lowest leg, i.e. an 8 teamer pays as a 7 teamer.

    But, from house rules under Basic Free Play Rules, the sportsbook lists the following:

    4. Any free play that results in a tie/push is graded as a loss.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RudyRuetigger View Post
    keep sucking up

    yes, I thought so
    I do not need to suck up to Optional. Optional and i are already the best of friends. When i die i am leaving some of my shoes and a star wars hot chocolate stormtrooper mug to him. Here is when we took a fun drive together. I am the one on the left.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Optional View Post
    Read this post Rudy;
    what do you have to say about theguesser?

    I am sure he isn't here posting for drama

    and I almost sure he is correct

    I think I remember mods coming in and reimbursing freeplays that tied (and were graded a loss)

    but I'm almost certain I won a 20k parlay or something because of a tie, where Miami went for 2, this was years ago

    either way, I do not see anything stated in the sbrbook

    I'm not looking to argue about the sbrbook though

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    and I do give you credit, you are right

    even bookmakers fineprint says this

    but it is wrong

    and something sbr should be fighting against

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    I think it is a little silly to have to check the sportsbooks rules each and every time you deposit

    should we also check to see when a game is graded official?

    I mean one day maybe itll change and not include overtime

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    I wish I could name more books for you that work this way, but I know about the rule and never use a freeplay with anything that can push so don't think about it.

    And as far as Guesser. I don't know all the ins and outs of the SBR Book software but over many years there has been regualr posts in the points forum asking why freeplay parlays were graded losers with a push. And like you said, sometimes mods have refunded them when asked. Which is why I used the word Default software setting instead of rule.


    This isn't some blatantly unfair or out of left field rule anyway, but c'mon, we should not have to read the rules really isn't a great argument even if it was.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Optional View Post
    Well yeah. Only 1 leg needs to lose for the entire parlay to lose. And for freeplays a push is counted as a loss.

    It's not that unusual. The SBR Book software runs that way by default too. I think plenty of books do.
    good books dont. BetCris family

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    Quote Originally Posted by goduke View Post
    good books dont. BetCris family
    I thought that, but bookmaker now says a tie means a loss according to what I read

    I cant find pinny rules on fps

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    HERITAGE:


    13. Free Play wagers can be placed over the phone and on the internet for straight wagers and two or three team parlays or teasers. Open spots are not allowed. If the play wins, then only the winning amount will be credited into the players account as CASH. If the play loses, no physical adjustments will be made to the account. If the plays ends in a Push/No Action, then the player gets to play the Free Play again.

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