Lebron Your No Jordan

bigboydan · 05-21-07, 09:56 PM

I don't care if he only scored 1 point tonight coach. I'm just happy the Cavs covered for me.

onlooker · 05-21-07, 10:14 PM

I'm sure he will come out in game 2 and score 30+.

Razz · 05-21-07, 10:21 PM

He's no Jordan, but if you want to look at the new Vince Carter, look no further than Cleveland, Ohio.

darrell74 · 05-21-07, 10:27 PM

Agree with Bigboydan. They covered!!!

WWTSblows · 05-21-07, 10:46 PM

Such a good look they had for the 3 to win it

ion · 05-22-07, 01:11 AM

If that last three pointer went in, LeBron would have had a triple double. But the Pistons could have still won, down 1 with 6 seconds left.

jjgold · 05-22-07, 06:01 AM

He does not have the killer in him, a little more competitive than Carter or MCgrady though. He bailed out of the game like usualy and did not want the heat if he went like 12-29.

On the contrary they could of won game with the style he played. He is no Jordan though, not even close. I do not think he is a great one on one player like some others in the league that can creat shots no matter what..

Dark Horse · 05-22-07, 06:06 AM

He's still young. Watching him I find him often very predictable. Jordan was always unpredictable. (Also, I think Mike Brown is a terrible coach.)

The NBA is so desperate to present the next superstar. That's not Lebron's fault. He's done nothing yet in the playoffs, but he already has tv ads about playoff secrets.

jjgold · 05-22-07, 06:15 AM

I think he is very guardable, he does not have great off the dribble skills, if someone would teach him how to post up he would be unstoppable. I do not get it?? Where is the coaching? Jordan was unreal in the post.

JT16 · 05-22-07, 10:06 AM

Originally posted by jjgold

He does not have the killer in him, a little more competitive than Carter or MCgrady though. He bailed out of the game like usualy and did not want the heat if he went like 12-29.

On the contrary they could of won game with the style he played. He is no Jordan though, not even close. I do not think he is a great one on one player like some others in the league that can creat shots no matter what..

What the **** was Jordon doing when he was 22 years old? I am sure it was playing in the East Conference finals. Jordan also had Phil Jackson, compared to Mike Brown.

jjgold · 05-22-07, 10:11 AM

We shall see, nothig wrong with his kick out pass at end of the game, he though has not been agressive enough attacking, he thinks he is Magic but magic had hall off famers around him. Lebron has college players around him.

Lenny7 · 05-22-07, 10:58 AM

97% of the NBA players are STUPID!

Lebron misses too many FTs

Lenny7 · 05-22-07, 11:01 AM

Originally posted by JT16

What the **** was Jordon doing when he was 22 years old? I am sure it was playing in the East Conference finals. Jordan also had Phil Jackson, compared to Mike Brown.

Phil Jackson is the most overrated coach in the history of the professional sports! He is also too old and sleeps too much on the bench!

Phil is an opportunist!

zootiehead · 05-24-07, 09:54 PM

Well, he's got another chance to disprove the critics here

isetcap · 05-25-07, 12:51 AM

Originally posted by Razz

He's no Jordan, but if you want to look at the new Vince Carter, look no further than Cleveland, Ohio.

Yeah, I was thinking the exact same thing about Larry Hughes.

jjgold · 05-25-07, 06:25 AM

Lebron just cannot score late in games enough

buztah · 05-25-07, 01:44 PM

jj, best player in the nba now, when it comes to being unstoppable once he makes up his mind to score, is KOBE. Too bad he is with the fakers though. James got nothing on Bryant and Bryant has little on Jordan.

Dark Horse · 05-25-07, 02:55 PM

Refs were letting them play. Pistons understood that, Cavs didn't. Sheed's push-off was in the same category as MJ's in the playoff buzzer beater.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WULyz1-OQc

So Lebron, when the refs swallow their whistles, foul first.

onlooker · 05-25-07, 04:10 PM

Damn if you do, damn if you don't.

Until he wins a championship, they will always down play Lebron. Still the best young player in the game.

katstale · 05-25-07, 04:27 PM

What was that little fool who played guard for Charlotte's name? (Mugsy Bogues) I mean he was abt 5' 3" and simply a novelty act. When the playoffs would come everyone would just back up and dare him to shoot--so it was 5 on 4 for defense. This is almost the same defense that is being played on Lebron. He is not comfortable shooting the mid-range jumper. They give it to him every time.

If you remember early in Magic's career people would back up from him--so he went out and developed a decent 3 point shot. Until Lebron develops a mid-range jumpshot--he is just another NBA also ran.

In fact, barring injury--i think you will be spelling the next superstars name Durant. Which leads to Lebron who? Plus the Durant kid is much better looking. NBA dream for marketing.

jjgold · 05-25-07, 05:40 PM

On reverse angle

Lebron had Cleve in position to win 2 games in Detroit

I guess his whole package is effective and I will give him a break, he is only 22 with the weight of the world on his shoulders

raiders72002 · 05-26-07, 03:04 AM

Jordan also had Phil Jackson,

Doug Collins was the coach that set the team up and Jackson came in to reap the rewards.

Jordan ran the team more than any coach and was the only player or coach that could keep Rodman under control.

Poker Pirate · 05-26-07, 05:47 AM

Originally posted by katstale

What was that little fool who played guard for Charlotte's name? (Mugsy Bogues) I mean he was abt 5' 3" and simply a novelty act. .

Mugsy bogues a novelty act? Please, Bogues had mad skills and was damn good in the playoffs except the couple years he was hurt.

jjgold · 05-26-07, 08:37 AM

Jordan wins no titles on the second comeback without Rodman

Lenny7 · 05-26-07, 02:23 PM

MIke Brown should be fired

zootiehead · 05-29-07, 09:21 PM

We need the Lebron of games 1 & 2 to show up here in the 4th.

isetcap · 05-30-07, 12:43 AM

Originally posted by katstale

...he is just another NBA also ran.

In fact, barring injury--i think you will be spelling the next superstars name Durant. Which leads to Lebron who? Plus the Durant kid is much better looking. NBA dream for marketing.

This statement in and of itself is simply ludicrous (bordering on JJ idiotic) and as each season passes over the next 2 decades it will become even more laughable. Durant will be lucky if he makes during his entire career even half of what Lebron has already pocketed at the age of 22. Kevin will be a nice player in the NBA, but he will never join the ranks of MJ, Kobe, or Lebron.

Bill Dozer · 05-30-07, 12:59 AM

Originally posted by isetcap

This statement in and of itself is simply ludicrous (bordering on JJ idiotic) and as each season passes over the next 2 decades it will become even more laughable. Durant will be lucky if he makes during his entire career even half of what Lebron has already pocketed at the age of 22. Kevin will be a nice player in the NBA, but he will never join the ranks of MJ, Kobe, or Lebron.

I'm on the Durant bandwagon too and have to disagree that he doesn't pass Lebron.

Durant is easy to like because he isn't doing the chest pumping and scowling you see from Lebron and OJ Mayo. He's a smooth customer who expects the ball to go in. The old superstars never got excited when they did well. I remember seeing a clip of an analyst interviewing Bird about a game winning shot and he said "well for how much I practice it better go in."

It's too early for Durant and Oden but we can hope. These guys seem modest...so far.

isetcap · 05-30-07, 01:31 AM

Modesty is a nice trait for people who help children in impoverished nations. Modesty does not an NBA superstar make.

Bird was not by any stretch of the imagination a modest player. He may have said some things after the game but they were nothing but words. He didn't act and play the way he did by thinking he wasn't better than everybody else on the court.

Durant is a wonderful guy and I agree that he is a pleasure to watch in the way that he approaches the game, but that by NO MEANS translates into NBA greatness. The greatest to ever play was the most ferocious competitor the game has ever seen and never once while he was in the NBA did anyone ever confuse him with being modest. Never once did anyone say that he would have been a better player if he were just a little more modest.

Kevin Durant is the next Ray Allen, and hell, that's not so bad...

But it's not Lebron.

Bill Dozer · 05-30-07, 01:41 AM

Modesty is a nice trait for people who help children in impoverished nations. Modesty does not an NBA superstar make.

lol... but I think this started by Katstale's post about how much he will make, and makes for others, through marketing. A good attitude shouldn't hurt on the court either.

Put Steve Nash into Tracy McGrady's body...that's what the NBA is hoping for.

isetcap · 05-30-07, 02:07 AM

Originally posted by Bill Dozer

lol... but I think this started by Katstale's post about how much he will make, and makes for others, through marketing. A good attitude shouldn't hurt on the court either.

Put Steve Nash into Tracy McGrady's body...that's what the NBA is hoping for.

Sure that is what the NBA is hoping for, but keep in mind that the biggest marketers in the game are the ones that sell the most jerseys. The guys with "street cred" are the ones who appeal to the demographic that marketers seem to care about most when it comes to matching up shoes to those jerseys and selling sports drinks.

As for Kevin Durant's abilities, I think he may be a bit overblown in that he is even in a discussion with a once-in-a-lifetime talent like Lebron James. Remember that there was very recently a really nice player that played only one year in college and he managed to carry a lightweight Syracuse team to a National Championship, which is something Durant could not even come close to doing with a similar team in Texas. His name is Carmelo Anthony and he was drafted directly after Lebron if you ignore the grievous error that was made by Detroit (Darko Silipic). I think the NBA is really hoping that Kevin proves to be similar to Carmelo from an offensive standpoint and less offensive than Carmelo from a marketing stadpoint. I don't think anyone close to the NBA really considers Durant to be a star that will outshine Lebron in any aspect. They may say he will but unless they're from Texas, they don't believe it.

austintx05 · 05-30-07, 02:13 AM

bron is a wannabe...he wants to be like mike...but will always fall short...the chalk before the game, the stare into the stands, but lacks the killer instinct and just raw talent jordan had...if there is a player that resembles jordan it is wade, not lebron the reggin

isetcap · 05-30-07, 03:10 AM

Originally posted by austintx05

bron is a wannabe...he wants to be like mike...but will always fall short...the chalk before the game, the stare into the stands, but lacks the killer instinct and just raw talent jordan had...if there is a player that resembles jordan it is wade, not lebron the reggin

Hmmm...

Jordan was unable to carry his team past the first round in the playoffs until his 4th season in the league. While his Chicago team did make the postseason his first three years, they amassed a less than sparkling 1-9 playoff record.

Lebron took his Cavaliers to the postseason during his 3rd season in the NBA. He was 2 years younger than the age at which Jordan first saw playoff action. He carried his team past the first round in that same season and then pushed a Detroit team to the brink of elimination while being the most dominant player in the series. Detroit went on to represent the East in the NBA Championship for the third straight season.

In Jordan's fifth season, he was finally able to accomplish that which has taken James only four years; he made it to the East finals only to be sent home by Detroit 4-2. James has done at least that well this year, even though he is still only 22 (the same age at which Jordan had tasted victory only once in a playoff game).

The first 4 years in the NBA, Jordan had a playoff record of 5-15.

The first 4 years in the NBA, James has a playoff record of 17-9 and counting.

Not only that, James has been a starter and a star in this league from the moment he stepped on the court as a teenager. He has been the leader and the focal point of the Cavaliers since he was drafted. He has never had any coattails to hang from a la Bryant (who has equal talent) or Wade (who is vastly overrated).

The only reason you don't see what's coming is because you don't want to. I'm not saying that this is his year. I'm not saying that I'm his biggest fan. In fact, I've stated recently that this season has been a falloff from the last. But the results he's put up speak for themselves and in the very near future he will be a NBA Champion.

jjgold · 05-30-07, 05:58 AM

He is no Jordan as he lacks the great athletic ability Mike had, but he just might be too overpowing just with his strength, does get more teamates involved than Jordan did and is a better playmaker than Jordan was. I think he sees the floor better. He does not have the explosive scoring punch MJ had and cannot drive to the hole as effective as Jordan did.

He is more of a Magic type player and we will see if he does win titles.