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  • wtf
    SBR Posting Legend
    • 08-22-08
    • 12983

    #1
    great article about greedy wall street fuks
    the entitled classes of wall street actually think the world will stop spinning and capitalism will cease to exist if they dont get their bonuses!

    love they way they feel there should be more "innovation" , I think we have had enough of that thank you. a must read;



    Nov. 3 (Bloomberg) -- In the musical comedy “Little Shop of Horrors,” a dangerous and gluttonous plant dubbed “Audrey II” signals its insatiable appetite for human blood with a baritone demand, “feed me.”

    In the real-life Shop of Horrors, the evil plant is gone. In its place is our voracious financial industry, which has been partaking in menacing feedings while stirring up fear of the havoc to come if it doesn’t keep getting what it wants.

    A year after the world’s banking system almost collapsed, you might think financial bosses would be agonizing over how they would be depicted in history books, and anyone with a job would be offering to stick around and clean up the mess for a pittance.

    You’d be both silly and wrong, as we all know by now. Finance’s version of Audrey II is thrashing about with threats that, crisis or not, they’d better get their extravagant pay and light-touch regulation. Anything less and -- real horrors -- financial innovation will decline and the world as we know it will end.

    We’ll get to that financial innovation silliness in a minute.

    A poll of Bloomberg customers released last week revealed that 21 percent of traders, analysts and fund managers polled in the U.S. expect their 2009 bonuses to be bigger than last year. Another 24 percent expect their bonuses to be about the same, which is pretty good when you consider the employment woes of the rest of the nation. Frustrated taxpayers wonder how they got into a mess where $700 billion of their money went to bailing out people who today are poised to pocket record amounts in some cases (9 percent in the Bloomberg survey).

    Argument Trumped

    In the financial industry, though, the attitude of entitlement trumps any argument that there would be no job, no employer and no paycheck without the bailouts.

    In fact, those Bloomberg customers said any limits on pay will boomerang. Asked “Do you think limits on executive compensation in the financial industry will do more to control excessive risk-taking or more to discourage useful innovation?” 65 percent of the ones working in the U.S. said limits on pay would choke innovation.

    Knowing what we do about innovation in finance, we wouldn’t want that to happen.

    Are there actually credible people worried that capitalism will be brought to its knees if restrictions on pay, and related reforms in regulation, are imposed on Wall Street?

    Easing the Rules

    NYSE Euronext Chief Executive Officer Duncan Niederauer, who is either tone deaf to the public’s disgust or secure in the belief that the public’s anger doesn’t matter, told the Wall Street Journal last week that he’s worried that regulatory changes in the works in Washington will determine whether New York City can compete in the world. I’m having a déjà vu moment. Didn’t we try, and fail, at the idea of ratcheting down our rules to the levels of competing countries?

    The high standards of the Sarbanes-Oxley Act give “the perception of heavy regulation” on the NYSE, he said, and a proposed tax on securities transactions (intended in one bill to be used to refill the coffers Wall Street depleted) could have “disastrous consequences” for entrepreneurs trying to tap into the U.S. equity markets.

    I’m glad Niederauer brought that up, because the notion of a smart person having a great idea and building a business to the point where it goes public is just what I think of when I hear the word “innovation.”

    Talk of Innovation

    I’m perplexed, though, when I ponder what Wall Street means when talking about innovation. That’s not for any lack of examples, but for an understanding of what Wall Street adds to the goal of smart allocation of capital when it does its innovating.

    I get it when the tech geek huddles in a garage for three years with a couple of pals and comes up with a blockbuster idea that brings pleasure to consumers or profits to companies, and then takes the company public. But why am I supposed to be losing sleep that new rules might impede the creation of the new, new thing in tax evasion? Or high-frequency trading? Maybe a new flavor of collateralized-debt obligation bearing a delusional AAA rating?

    If you sift through position papers of financial trade groups, there’s a lot of noise about the need for regulation. But read far enough and you hit that paragraph that explains why the writer’s constituents don’t need to be overseen with serious diligence.

    And then, inevitably, you will meet with that foreboding warning that regulation will threaten innovation. In a “Dear Senator” letter published by the Financial Services Roundtable on July 8, politicians were warned that a proposed agency to protect consumers would “jeopardize the safety and soundness of many firms and stifle innovation by requiring firms to offer ‘plain vanilla’ products.”

    I, for one, am willing to take my chances. Bring it on with your threats to force plain-vanilla investments on consumers. Wall Street, if you really want to frighten us, you need to do better than that.
  • topgame85
    SBR Posting Legend
    • 03-30-08
    • 12325

    #2
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    • feltball
      SBR High Roller
      • 09-07-08
      • 106

      #3
      Usa! Usa! Usa!
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      • InTheHole
        SBR Posting Legend
        • 04-28-08
        • 15243

        #4
        And Greedy Lawyer/President Watch the video and get back to me.

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        • InTheHole
          SBR Posting Legend
          • 04-28-08
          • 15243

          #5
          BTW...as a lawyer obama made 950k on a settlement with citibank (the defendents got 20k a piece) because they wouldn't make loans to minorities who admitted to having bad credit.
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          • tacomax
            SBR Hall of Famer
            • 08-10-05
            • 9619

            #6
            Originally posted by InTheHole
            BTW...as a lawyer obama made 950k on a settlement with citibank (the defendents got 20k a piece) because they wouldn't make loans to minorities who admitted to having bad credit.
            What year was that?
            Originally posted by pags11
            SBR would never get rid of me...ever...
            Originally posted by BuddyBear
            I'd probably most likely chose Pags to jack off too.
            Originally posted by curious
            taco is not a troll, he is a bubonic plague bacteria.
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            • InTheHole
              SBR Posting Legend
              • 04-28-08
              • 15243

              #7
              1994---Don't challenge my posts Taco

              ****Tacomax....13th amendment was related to slavery no? LMOA****

              Case Name
              Buycks-Roberson v. Citibank Fed. Sav. Bank Fair Housing/Lending/Insurance
              Docket / Court 94 C 4094 ( N.D. Ill. ) FH-IL-0011
              State/Territory Illinois
              Case Summary
              Plaintiffs filed their class action lawsuit on July 6, 1994, alleging that Citibank had engaged in redlining practices in the Chicago metropolitan area in violation of the Equal Credit Opportunity Act (ECOA), 15 U.S.C. 1691; the Fair Housing Act, 42 U.S.C. 3601-3619; the Thirteenth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution; and 42 U.S.C. 1981, 1982. Plaintiffs alleged that the Defendant-bank rejected loan applications of minority applicants while approving loan applications filed by white applicants with similar financial characteristics and credit histories. Plaintiffs sought injunctive relief, actual damages, and punitive damages.
              U.S. District Court Judge Ruben Castillo certified the Plaintiffs’ suit as a class action on June 30, 1995. Buycks-Roberson v. Citibank Fed. Sav. Bank, 162 F.R.D. 322 (N.D. Ill. 1995). Also on June 30, Judge Castillo granted Plaintiffs’ motion to compel discovery of a sample of Defendant-bank’s loan application files. Buycks-Roberson v. Citibank Fed. Sav. Bank, 162 F.R.D. 338 (N.D. Ill. 1995).
              The parties voluntarily dismissed the case on May 12, 1998, pursuant to a settlement agreement.
              Plaintiff’s Lawyers Alexis, Hilary I. (Illinois)
              FH-IL-0011-7500 | FH-IL-0011-7501 | FH-IL-0011-9000
              Childers, Michael Allen (Illinois)
              FH-IL-0011-7500 | FH-IL-0011-7501 | FH-IL-0011-9000
              Clayton, Fay (Illinois)
              FH-IL-0011-7500 | FH-IL-0011-7501 | FH-IL-0011-9000
              Cummings, Jeffrey Irvine (Illinois)
              FH-IL-0011-7500 | FH-IL-0011-7501 | FH-IL-0011-9000
              Love, Sara Norris (Virginia)
              FH-IL-0011-9000
              Miner, Judson Hirsch (Illinois)
              FH-IL-0011-7500 | FH-IL-0011-9000
              Obama, Barack H. (Illinois)
              FH-IL-0011-7500 | FH-IL-0011-7501 | FH-IL-0011-9000
              Wickert, John Henry (Illinois)
              FH-IL-0011-9000
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              • Chi_archie
                SBR Aristocracy
                • 07-22-08
                • 63172

                #8
                is it all about the usa when talking about these inovations?
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                • InTheHole
                  SBR Posting Legend
                  • 04-28-08
                  • 15243

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Chi_archie
                  is it all about the usa when talking about these inovations?
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                  • tacomax
                    SBR Hall of Famer
                    • 08-10-05
                    • 9619

                    #10
                    Originally posted by InTheHole
                    1994---Don't challenge my posts Taco
                    Originally posted by pags11
                    SBR would never get rid of me...ever...
                    Originally posted by BuddyBear
                    I'd probably most likely chose Pags to jack off too.
                    Originally posted by curious
                    taco is not a troll, he is a bubonic plague bacteria.
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                    • tacomax
                      SBR Hall of Famer
                      • 08-10-05
                      • 9619

                      #11
                      Better not post this link, then.

                      http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/loans.asp
                      Originally posted by pags11
                      SBR would never get rid of me...ever...
                      Originally posted by BuddyBear
                      I'd probably most likely chose Pags to jack off too.
                      Originally posted by curious
                      taco is not a troll, he is a bubonic plague bacteria.
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                      • InTheHole
                        SBR Posting Legend
                        • 04-28-08
                        • 15243

                        #12
                        Originally posted by tacomax
                        Better not post this link, then.

                        http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/loans.asp
                        let me look into this
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                        • InTheHole
                          SBR Posting Legend
                          • 04-28-08
                          • 15243

                          #13
                          I'll maintain my position.

                          Barack H. Obama, Esq.’s Role in the Financial Crisis – Buycks-Roberson v. Citibank Federal Sav. Bank
                          October 10, 2008
                          Alright, to recap, the Community Reinvestment Act (CRA 1977) gave an opening for subprime lending. The CRA encouraged banks to lend money to high risk borrowers with the noble notion that it would enable more Americans to be homeowners. Unfortunately, it was undefined for a very long time and that gave community organizing groups such as ACORN to push the boundaries of the law and engage in coercive methods of forcing banks to loan to high risk borrowers. They would threaten to block mergers and expansions of banks unless the banks would dole out these risky loans. In addition, numerous suits were brought against banks alleging that the banks engaged in discriminatory lending phasing out African Americans from loans in an attempt to bully banks into doling out high risk loans.

                          One such suit was Buycks-Roberson v. Citibank Federal Sav. Bank, 162 F.R.D. 322 (N.D. Ill. 1995). This case is most notable for one of the members of counsel representing Selma Buycks-Roberson, Calvin R. Roberson and Rene Brooks. That attorney was a young lawyer named BARACK H. OBAMA.

                          According to the record, the plaintiffs, all African-Americans sued Citibank for seeking redress for alleged racial discrimination with regard to loan applications.
                          Ms. Buycks Roberson had applied for a loan to refinance her existing mortgage but was denied because her income did not support the amount of credit requested.
                          Obama and friends presented evidence noting that Citibank denied refinancing “to only 19% of upper-income applicants living in areas with less than 10% minority population,” while Citibank denied loans to 49& of ALL applicants living in areas of 80-100% minority population. BHO and friends also asserted that 780 minority applications were denied by Citibank in between 1992 and 1993.
                          Citibank asserted that their underwriting procedure was race-neutral, however the court certified the class regardless.
                          As a result of the court’s analysis, the court certified a class of “all African-Americans who filed applications for home loans to Citibank on or after July 6, 1992, and whose applications were rejected because they were African-American and/or the racial composition of the neighborhood in which their properties were located were African-American.
                          While it is very somewhat possible that these loans were denied because of a racial impetus, it is much more likely that the loans were denied because of the stated reason – the individuals’ incomes were insufficient to cover to cover the loans in light of their credit history. In addition, it would be improper for a bank to invest in a loan where the borrowers would be unlikely to pay the loan back and, if they defaulted, the value of the home would not equal the value of the loan.

                          And are you suggesting that these are not his words...

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                          • wtf
                            SBR Posting Legend
                            • 08-22-08
                            • 12983

                            #14
                            ith, thanks for posting that shocking video, did not realize he said that

                            and glad he enjoyed his big lawyer payday while giving some crumbs to the plaintiffs
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                            • InTheHole
                              SBR Posting Legend
                              • 04-28-08
                              • 15243

                              #15
                              Originally posted by wtf
                              ith, thanks for posting that shocking video, did not realize he said that

                              and glad he enjoyed his big lawyer payday while giving some crumbs to the plaintiffs
                              Don't be a wise guy. Tacomax won this one for you guys
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                              • wtf
                                SBR Posting Legend
                                • 08-22-08
                                • 12983

                                #16
                                wasnt being a wise guy

                                i did not know obama thought it was a good idea giving loans to high risk individuals
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                                • InTheHole
                                  SBR Posting Legend
                                  • 04-28-08
                                  • 15243

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by wtf
                                  wasnt being a wise guy

                                  i did not know obama thought it was a good idea giving loans to high risk individuals
                                  Setting me up for a trap I see
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