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**RudyRuetigger** · 05-17-21, 12:13 PM

spieth will miss cut

**Unrivaled** · 05-17-21, 12:28 PM

Originally posted by RudyRuetigger

spieth will miss cut

Why? I feel like he has been one of the best golfers last few months and few can scramble/putt better.

**RudyRuetigger** · 05-17-21, 12:56 PM

bro hes missing fairways

and missing greens from the fairway

i think his over/under is probably top 15/top 20 due to public perception

so im going on a big limb to say missed cut

**Unrivaled** · 05-17-21, 01:01 PM

Originally posted by RudyRuetigger

bro hes missing fairways

and missing greens from the fairway

i think his over/under is probably top 15/top 20 due to public perception

so im going on a big limb to say missed cut

Who do you like? I feel like Spieths ball striking has been elite for months, had a few bad rounds this week.

**RudyRuetigger** · 05-17-21, 01:04 PM

Originally posted by Unrivaled

Who do you like? I feel like Spieths ball striking has been elite for months, had a few bad rounds this week.

his irons have been great

but thats at courses where you can miss the fairway

i havent looked into tee shot necessity this week, just heard faldo say you gotta hit fairways off the tee

if that is true, i give him 0.2% chance to win

**WireWire** · 05-17-21, 01:06 PM

It's only 7,876 yards, I'm taking David Hearn...

**Unrivaled** · 05-17-21, 01:17 PM

Originally posted by RudyRuetigger

his irons have been great

but thats at courses where you can miss the fairway

i havent looked into tee shot necessity this week, just heard faldo say you gotta hit fairways off the tee

if that is true, i give him 0.2% chance to win

I don't know, watching last time they played here and Rory was scrambling and putting like crazy some holes.

Need to be able to do both regardless.

**RudyRuetigger** · 05-17-21, 03:29 PM

Originally posted by Unrivaled

I don't know, watching last time they played here and Rory was scrambling and putting like crazy some holes.

Need to be able to do both regardless.

what you just said is like an espn football analyst saying if team a wants to beat team b they need to score more points

**BigJay** · 05-17-21, 03:31 PM

Speith
Xander
Leishman
Kokrak

**RudyRuetigger** · 05-17-21, 03:35 PM

literally telling you guys spieth will miss cut

**BigJay** · 05-18-21, 12:22 AM

I wound up playing

Speith
Rory
Leishman
Hovland
Noren
Billy Ho
Keegan
Zaltorius
Kokrak

All to win
Risking about two fiddy total

**Unrivaled** · 05-18-21, 12:25 AM

Originally posted by RudyRuetigger

literally telling you guys spieth will miss cut

You haven't said who you like though.

I'm sticking with Spieth, gut feeling.

**BigJay** · 05-18-21, 12:49 AM

Originally posted by BigJay

I wound up playing

Speith
Rory
Leishman
Hovland
Noren
Billy Ho
Keegan
Zaltorius
Kokrak

All to win
Risking about two fiddy total

Added Cam Smith

**jjgold** · 05-18-21, 04:34 AM

This tournaments going to be very very difficult

If you don’t hit straight and long it’s gonna be very hard, Justin Thomas, Hovland

**GzaTheGenius** · 05-18-21, 07:28 AM

Hovland, Ancer, Connors, Keegan Bradley are my bets to win

Probably lose them all

10 dollars each

**navyblue81** · 05-18-21, 07:45 AM

Going with Patrick Reed at 33-1. Plays the tough courses well and has been very steady of late.

Want to pick DJ bc of the South Carolina connection, but DJ has just been really off. Maybe it comes back this week, but not betting on it.

Long shot bet: Ancer 50-1.

Side note- Wouldn’t be surprised to see a real long shot win this week. Big names haven’t been very consistent this year. Seeing a guy like a Sam Burns or Brian Harman win wouldn’t shock me.

**BeatTheJerk** · 05-18-21, 08:22 AM

Justin Rose

**navyblue81** · 05-18-21, 09:07 AM

One reason why I would like Spieth is because the course should play quick. Spieth on fast greens is the best there is. It’s gonna be dry, breeze up just a tick, and suits Spieth. I don’t know what the rough is like off the fairways. Haven’t really researched that yet, but just looking at forecasted conditions and the lack of rain there recently, it should be quick.

Most importantly his confidence is high. I’m not picking him to win but I wouldn’t be surprised if he plays well. Also wouldn’t be surprised if he misses cut because he’s Jordan Spieth.

**jjgold** · 05-18-21, 09:49 PM

Speith Does not hit long enough to win on this course

**Unrivaled** · 05-18-21, 11:22 PM

Originally posted by jjgold

Speith Does not hit long enough to win on this course

Well DJ and Koepka are not in form. Deshamblow forgot how to hit his irons. JT can't putt and can't play on Pete Dye courses.

I think the fact remains that you need to be able to putt and scramble more than bomb it.

**BigJay** · 05-19-21, 12:12 AM

Originally posted by Unrivaled

I think the fact remains that you need to be able to putt and scramble more than bomb it.

I think Sepith and Reed fit this description

**RudyRuetigger** · 05-19-21, 08:58 AM

Originally posted by Unrivaled

Well DJ and Koepka are not in form. Deshamblow forgot how to hit his irons. JT can't putt and can't play on Pete Dye courses.

I think the fact remains that you need to be able to putt and scramble more than bomb it.

you do know he won the Players this year???

**navyblue81** · 05-19-21, 09:04 AM

Originally posted by jjgold

Speith Does not hit long enough to win on this course

He won at Chambers Bay, the longest course in champ history. So that isn’t a reason not to take him. The driving concerns would be.

I think there’s good value for long shots. Picking the right one is the hard part but I think the winner is someone further down the list. Ancer, Hovland, and Reed are my picks this week. Going with those and hope to cash in big. Fairway are pretty firm from what I’ve seen to where this course will play a bit shorter than its distance. I like Reed just bc he plays tough courses well. I remember his win at Doral a few years back when it was tough and that’s a similar course to this.

**RudyRuetigger** · 05-19-21, 09:11 AM

Where was it,.....maybe Winged Foot for Bryson's win

Everyone said YOU HAVE TO HIT FAIRWAYS

Turned into bombers going at it (Bryson and Matthew Wolff)

We will see if driving matters....I am going to believe them though

and solely why I don't like Spieth

Now, if they move tees up 400 yards DAILY...thats a different story

I assume first two days will be easier since the pga pros are in the field as well...dont want any of them shooting 90

**Booya711** · 05-19-21, 09:12 AM

All tournaments are just a toss up now on who wins....woods and Nicklaus don’t play anymore

there is not a dominant golfer out there...just a lot of good ones

**RudyRuetigger** · 05-19-21, 09:13 AM

Originally posted by Booya711

All tournaments are just a toss up now on who wins....woods and Nicklaus don’t play anymore

i dont try to pick winners

i try to pick non losers...big difference in fantasy golf

**jjgold** · 05-19-21, 10:43 AM

A long straight straight hitter is the only person that can win this tournament

**navyblue81** · 05-19-21, 11:23 AM

Originally posted by jjgold

A long straight straight hitter is the only person that can win this tournament

Tell that to Bryson DeChambeau at Winged Foot.

Just glanced at weather report. Looks like a dry, breezy week. Nothing too windy, but breezy enough in that 10-15 range to cause some issues. And if you’ve ever played in 10-15 on an ocean course, it feels more like 25-30 at times.

**RudyRuetigger** · 05-19-21, 12:44 PM

Originally posted by navyblue81

Tell that to Bryson DeChambeau at Winged Foot.

Just glanced at weather report. Looks like a dry, breezy week. Nothing too windy, but breezy enough in that 10-15 range to cause some issues. And if you’ve ever played in 10-15 on an ocean course, it feels more like 25-30 at times.

i think the temperature matters alot for that

but yes i agree...it is THICKER air

they have seashore paspalum

why?

because it can handle salt from the ocean

ofcourse greens are "slower" than another major

the grass is thicker, its holding more salt..........the wind is just one part as to why it is slower

**RudyRuetigger** · 05-19-21, 12:47 PM

grass is same as a human....more salt....slower greens because of fatter grass blade

Ifyou stop eating salt, you'll likely notice that right away you drop a few pounds. Chances are this is water weight you're losing, at least at first, as salt causes the body to retain water.

**KVB** · 05-19-21, 01:17 PM

Originally posted by RudyRuetigger

literally telling you guys spieth will miss cut

You might remember I do some recent performance metrics with skills and strokes gained (all related to the field's they've been in of course).

For skills he's decent at scrambling (top 20) and even better with the his # of putts per greens in regulation (top 10), but, and it's a notable butt, he's not even registering for actual greens in regulation and even driving accuracy.

When it comes to that ever so popular strokes gained, I have is recent performance near the top in approach, Tee to green, around the green and even the Total Strokes gained. I literally have him # 1 on PGA Tour for all but around the green (Cam Smith and Schauffele beat him there) putting him third.

When it comes to comparing him with not just PGA but Euro as well, only a guy named Daniel van Tonder beats Spieth in some of those categories.

But...and this is the big butt...He doesn't even rank for strokes gained off the Tee or for strokes gained Putting on my list going out more than 20 spots.

While he's the top during the hole, he hasn't even competed in these recent performance metrics when it comes to driving and putting.

I wonder if Spieth to miss the cut at about +250 is a good buy here? It just might be.

**KVB** · 05-19-21, 01:21 PM

Originally posted by RudyRuetigger

his irons have been great

but thats at courses where you can miss the fairway...

Rudy's right, data backs it up too.

Spieth is going to have to drastically improve part of his game or he could be in trouble here.

**jjgold** · 05-19-21, 01:28 PM

Dechambeau has no shot either too wild off the tee

**KVB** · 05-19-21, 01:30 PM

I'm thinking of structuring a trade here with Spieth.

Take him to win around +1500
Take him to miss the cut around +250.
Then if he's threatening to win on Sunday, hope there's a viable trade for the other guy to win as a dog as a list ditch hedge.