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  • DwightShrute
    SBR Aristocracy
    • 01-17-09
    • 103451

    #36
    Originally posted by raiders72001
    Not making any conclusions but here are the numbers I'm looking at:

    55,415 totals deaths in the US.
    22,275 in NY
    5,938 in NJ
    Yup and like teh Doc said, initially it was a great idea to close it down. He explains it perfectly here at the 7:43 mark ...

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    • RudyRuetigger
      SBR Aristocracy
      • 08-24-10
      • 65084

      #37
      Originally posted by unde0087
      Ya, only problem with these two doctors is they make too much sense for the simpletons and people who are scouring the internet for charts to justify them continuing the stupidity.
      bingo

      that one fukkin cukk reporter needs to be flipping burgers

      hes trying to make the story instead of reporting the story
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      • DwightShrute
        SBR Aristocracy
        • 01-17-09
        • 103451

        #38
        Originally posted by RudyRuetigger
        bingo

        that one fukkin cukk reporter needs to be flipping burgers

        hes trying to make the story instead of reporting the story
        that seems to be the new type of journalism now. Forget reporting the news and letting the viewers decide. Nah.
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        • blackbart
          SBR MVP
          • 12-04-07
          • 3833

          #39
          https://youtu.be/qQTrdxONG70
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          • Rain Chains
            SBR Hustler
            • 04-21-20
            • 78

            #40
            Originally posted by DwightShrute
            that seems to be the new type of journalism now. Forget reporting the news and letting the viewers decide. Nah.
            If better news comes out, media likes to try and shoot it down immediately. The lack of integrity is astounding, people are wising up.
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            • blackbart
              SBR MVP
              • 12-04-07
              • 3833

              #41
              Bakersfield doctors push to lift shelter-in-place order, Bay Area health experts disagree

              SAN FRANCISCO (KGO) -- Tonight sparks are flying between those who believe that Governor Newsom should lift the stay-at-home order and others who believe it would be catastrophic to do so. Two doctors in the Bakersfield area are pushing for the California shelter-in-place order to be lifted and doctors we talked within the Bay Area are strongly opposed to the idea.
              Dr. Dan Erickson and Dr. Artin Massihi own and run an urgent care facility in Kern County.
              "Do we need to still shelter in place? Our answer is no. Do we need businesses to be shut down? No. Do we need to test them and get them back to work? Yes we do," says Dr. Dan Erickson.


              The two say they have their own statistics that show COVID-19 is similar to the flu.

              Dr. George Rutherford of UCSF disagrees with that saying that the mortality rate of COVID-19 could end up being 30 times worse than the flu.

              "What we're trying to do is prevent people from dying that's what we're trying to do in the Bay Area," Rutherford says. "The early projections were that there would be 44,000 deaths in the Bay Area. There have been 210 so far so I think we're doing pretty damn good and I've certainly don't want to mess with that kind of success."

              The latest data from the local health officials shows the Bay Area currently has over 250 deaths.
              ABC7 special correspondent Dr. Alok Patel echos those thoughts and cautions using data from one location.


              "It's not scientifically sound to take one population from one county, extract the data and try to make a claim about the national picture or even the rest of the states very different populations," Dr. Patel says.

              Erickson and Massihi gave their thoughts on reopening last week. Since that time, their message has been viewed millions of times online.
              Dr. Rutherford says we need to learn from history. In 1918 San Francisco reopened early after the Spanish Flu and an additional 3,000 people died.
              Dr. Rutherford believes that some things could st
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              • blackbart
                SBR MVP
                • 12-04-07
                • 3833

                #42
                two urgent care drs. with "their own data" from a county with no covid outbreak

                dont matter what the real data collected by statisticians from around the world says
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                • gauchojake
                  BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                  • 09-17-10
                  • 34116

                  #43
                  Haven't watched the whole thing but a few thoughts to consider...

                  That doctor has a vested monetary interest in opening back up. He's Co owner in an urgent care practice.

                  He stated that County public health officials agreed with him that they should reopen and lift the shelter in place order. They promptly said no we don't agree.

                  Kern county is also heavily rural with a lot of farm land and not a ton of urban areas. JJ knows this as he often visits daggles in Bakersfield.
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                  • blackbart
                    SBR MVP
                    • 12-04-07
                    • 3833

                    #44
                    Regarding Dr. Erickson’s claim that this virus so far has proven “similar in nature to the seasonal flu,” Dr. Hemmal Kothary Thursday morning shared otherwise during an interview on 17 News at Sunrise.
                    When asked if it is fair to make such a comparison at this point, Kothary, the chief medical officer with Dignity Health’s Central California division, answered, “Right now, I would say absolutely not. The flu acts a lot different. This virus is a lot more virulent. It passes from people to people a lot more aggressively. The symptoms are a lot more aggressive. It seems to affect a lot of age groups the flu typically won’t affect.”
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                    • blackbart
                      SBR MVP
                      • 12-04-07
                      • 3833

                      #45
                      Originally posted by gauchojake
                      Haven't watched the whole thing but a few thoughts to consider...

                      That doctor has a vested monetary interest in opening back up. He's Co owner in an urgent care practice.

                      He stated that County public health officials agreed with him that they should reopen and lift the shelter in place order. They promptly said no we don't agree.

                      Kern county is also heavily rural with a lot of farm land and not a ton of urban areas. JJ knows this as he often visits daggles in Bakersfield.
                      of course, they are probably going bankrupt cause there business is empty. now they are being roasted by real experts in the press.
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                      • DwightShrute
                        SBR Aristocracy
                        • 01-17-09
                        • 103451

                        #46
                        Originally posted by blackbart
                        Bakersfield doctors push to lift shelter-in-place order, Bay Area health experts disagree


                        SAN FRANCISCO (KGO) -- Tonight sparks are flying between those who believe that Governor Newsom should lift the stay-at-home order and others who believe it would be catastrophic to do so. Two doctors in the Bakersfield area are pushing for the California shelter-in-place order to be lifted and doctors we talked within the Bay Area are strongly opposed to the idea.
                        Dr. Dan Erickson and Dr. Artin Massihi own and run an urgent care facility in Kern County.
                        "Do we need to still shelter in place? Our answer is no. Do we need businesses to be shut down? No. Do we need to test them and get them back to work? Yes we do," says Dr. Dan Erickson.


                        The two say they have their own statistics that show COVID-19 is similar to the flu.

                        Dr. George Rutherford of UCSF disagrees with that saying that the mortality rate of COVID-19 could end up being 30 times worse than the flu.

                        "What we're trying to do is prevent people from dying that's what we're trying to do in the Bay Area," Rutherford says. "The early projections were that there would be 44,000 deaths in the Bay Area. There have been 210 so far so I think we're doing pretty damn good and I've certainly don't want to mess with that kind of success."

                        The latest data from the local health officials shows the Bay Area currently has over 250 deaths.
                        ABC7 special correspondent Dr. Alok Patel echos those thoughts and cautions using data from one location.


                        "It's not scientifically sound to take one population from one county, extract the data and try to make a claim about the national picture or even the rest of the states very different populations," Dr. Patel says.

                        Erickson and Massihi gave their thoughts on reopening last week. Since that time, their message has been viewed millions of times online.
                        Dr. Rutherford says we need to learn from history. In 1918 San Francisco reopened early after the Spanish Flu and an additional 3,000 people died.
                        Dr. Rutherford believes that some things could st
                        First off. They don't have their own statistics. This is data that everyone has access to.

                        I am sure you have heard when people go to the doctor and are diagnosed and then say they will get a second opinion?

                        Watching those 2 videos, they make total sense. Using scientific data and first hand knowledge. Remember the 30K ventilators NY said they must have or else? They needed 5K. The rest are being sent elsewhere. Car factories shut down to make these things. If you have to go on a ventilator, you are almost as good as dead anyway. 80-90% who need to go on one, they die. You are in really bad shape if you need to go on one.

                        This weekend, people were being in California beaches. A father and 2 sons were fined for riding their bikes in a park where no one was around. A man fined for fishing on a lake with no one around. But go to Costco or Walmart full of people with no masks touching everything is perfectly fine. Its that fukking nuts?
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                        • mezmurized2
                          SBR MVP
                          • 12-02-19
                          • 1232

                          #47
                          Originally posted by gauchojake

                          That doctor has a vested monetary interest in opening back up.
                          He's Co owner in an urgent care practice.

                          He stated that County public health officials agreed with him that they should
                          reopen and lift the shelter in place order.
                          They promptly said "NO, we don't agree."

                          Kern county is also heavily rural with a lot of farm land and not a ton
                          of urban areas. JJ knows this as he often visits daggles in Bakersfield.
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                          • DwightShrute
                            SBR Aristocracy
                            • 01-17-09
                            • 103451

                            #48
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                            • mezmurized2
                              SBR MVP
                              • 12-02-19
                              • 1232

                              #49
                              Originally posted by gauchojake
                              Haven't watched the whole thing but a few thoughts to consider...

                              That doctor has a vested monetary interest in opening back up. He's Co owner in an urgent care practice.

                              He stated that County public health officials agreed with him that they should reopen and lift the shelter in place order. They promptly said no we don't agree.

                              Kern county is also heavily rural with a lot of farm land and not a ton of urban areas. JJ knows this as he often visits daggles in Bakersfield.
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                              Other side of the story...important
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                              • jjgold
                                SBR Aristocracy
                                • 07-20-05
                                • 388179

                                #50
                                The only thing is they really didn’t talk about we’re under a strict quarantine that’s why numbers are low



                                The flu had
                                No quarantine
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                                • DwightShrute
                                  SBR Aristocracy
                                  • 01-17-09
                                  • 103451

                                  #51
                                  Originally posted by mezmurized2
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                                  Breaking News....This just in...


                                  from FUX News

                                  A US led scientific work-camp in Antarctica of 22 people, all of whom
                                  are under age 39, have staunchly REFUSED to lockdown their polar facility
                                  during the worldwide coronavirus pandemic.
                                  The doctor on site says they are following the "Swedish model," so staff have
                                  been free to go for hikes, jogging, swimming, dining, fornicate with penguins,
                                  play poker - all the usual activities - and their internal data reveals
                                  not one single case
                                  of COVID-19 has been reported, with 0 deaths!!
                                  (otherthan one pregnant penguin)
                                  The doctor and lead scientist, both from Buttphuck, Kentucky, have
                                  declared that this PROVES CONCLUSIVELY that COVID-19 is a hoax
                                  likely created by Hunter Biden in collusion with the communist Chinese
                                  and therefore should be investigated immediately. And Joe Biden too.
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                                  • jjgold
                                    SBR Aristocracy
                                    • 07-20-05
                                    • 388179

                                    #52
                                    We just got a roll the dice and get everything open
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                                    • mezmurized2
                                      SBR MVP
                                      • 12-02-19
                                      • 1232

                                      #53
                                      Originally posted by jjgold
                                      We just got a roll the dice and get everything open

                                      Agreed
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                                      • RudyRuetigger
                                        SBR Aristocracy
                                        • 08-24-10
                                        • 65084

                                        #54
                                        weve learned blackbart is a democrat and hates working

                                        ok great

                                        merge the thread with "the facts"

                                        from another democrat
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                                        • mezmurized2
                                          SBR MVP
                                          • 12-02-19
                                          • 1232

                                          #55
                                          Originally posted by jjgold
                                          The only thing is they really didn’t talk about
                                          we’re under a strict quarantine
                                          that’s why numbers are low
                                          The flu had No quarantine
                                          ---------

                                          Breaking News....This just in...


                                          from FUX News

                                          A US led scientific work-camp in Antarctica of 22 people, all of whom
                                          are under age 39, have staunchly REFUSED to lockdown their polar facility
                                          during the worldwide coronavirus pandemic.

                                          The doctor on site says they are following the "Swedish model," so staff have
                                          been free to go for hikes, jogging, swimming, dining, fornicate with penguins,
                                          play poker - all the usual activities - and their internal data reveals
                                          not one single case
                                          of COVID-19 has been reported, with 0 deaths!!
                                          (otherthan one pregnant penguin)

                                          The doctor and lead scientist, both from Buttphuck, Kentucky,
                                          have declared that their data PROVES CONCLUSIVELY
                                          that COVID-19 is a total HOAX

                                          likely created by Hunter Biden in collusion with the communist Chinese
                                          and therefore should be investigated immediately.

                                          ... And Joe Biden too.
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                                          • KVB
                                            SBR Aristocracy
                                            • 05-29-14
                                            • 74817

                                            #56
                                            Originally posted by raiders72001
                                            Not making any conclusions but here are the numbers I'm looking at:

                                            55,415 total deaths in the US.
                                            22,275 in NY
                                            5,938 in NJ
                                            I think the highest estimates for yearly deaths of the seasonal flu in the US over the last many years has been about 60,000.

                                            And in few months, with citizens for the most part abiding by stay at home recommendations in place, we have seen 55k deaths.

                                            Unreal. We might get lucky here after all as we aren't seeing major outbreaks in new places.
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                                            • fried cheese
                                              SBR MVP
                                              • 09-17-13
                                              • 4462

                                              #57
                                              Originally posted by blackbart
                                              you cant possibly read these numbers and graphs and come to this conclusion
                                              you are right you cant read the numbers and come to that conclusion because they dont add in january and february in the numbers. but if you look at the graphs there is a light grey line in many of them that is significantly higher than the red line in those months. look at austria and portugal, they have much lower deaths for the whole of 2020. when you compare the area of the shaded red to the area between the red and the light grey line, most countries look similar in deaths to me. italy and spain are much higher though.
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                                              • KVB
                                                SBR Aristocracy
                                                • 05-29-14
                                                • 74817

                                                #58
                                                I realize deaths have been exaggerated, and also suppressed in some parts of the world, but even if 15,000 US death attributed to COVID-19 were fake, it's still a lot of deaths for a few months.

                                                Here are flu death estimates according to the CDC...



                                                Deaths
                                                Season Estimate
                                                2010-2011 37,000
                                                2011-2012 12,000
                                                2012-2013 43,000
                                                2013-2014 38,000
                                                2014-2015 51,000
                                                2015-2016 23,000
                                                2016-2017 38,000
                                                Preliminary estimates* Estimate
                                                2017-2018* 61,000
                                                2018-2019* 34,157
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                                                • KVB
                                                  SBR Aristocracy
                                                  • 05-29-14
                                                  • 74817

                                                  #59
                                                  Originally posted by fried cheese
                                                  ...italy and spain are much higher though.
                                                  There was a soccer game in Milan known as "game zero" where they think a large proliferation resulted in both countries due to that game.
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                                                  • vitterd
                                                    Restricted User
                                                    • 09-14-17
                                                    • 58460

                                                    #60
                                                    Trumpvirus at 54k and counting. I’m gonna miss his bleach drinking press conferences. Watching him on twitter tilt is fun but not the same. I hear he is addressing the nation tonight!! Lmao. Better make sure to close off to media!!
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                                                    • DwightShrute
                                                      SBR Aristocracy
                                                      • 01-17-09
                                                      • 103451

                                                      #61
                                                      Originally posted by vitterd
                                                      Trumpvirus at 54k and counting. I’m gonna miss his bleach drinking press conferences. Watching him on twitter tilt is fun but not the same. I hear he is addressing the nation tonight!! Lmao. Better make sure to close off to media!!
                                                      you should try drinking bleach.
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                                                      • vitterd
                                                        Restricted User
                                                        • 09-14-17
                                                        • 58460

                                                        #62
                                                        Originally posted by DwightShrute
                                                        you should try drinking bleach.
                                                        Trump says to inject it or drink it. He’s on a roll. First it was a hoax, then it was gonna be at 0 quickly, now it’s time to inject bleach. Lookin good Donnie!!!
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                                                        • Rain Chains
                                                          SBR Hustler
                                                          • 04-21-20
                                                          • 78

                                                          #63
                                                          Originally posted by vitterd
                                                          Trump says to inject it or drink it. He’s on a roll. First it was a hoax, then it was gonna be at 0 quickly, now it’s time to inject bleach. Lookin good Donnie!!!
                                                          Dude says stupid ish way too often, but has surrounded himself by a good team and put good policies in place.
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                                                          • mezmurized2
                                                            SBR MVP
                                                            • 12-02-19
                                                            • 1232

                                                            #64
                                                            Originally posted by KVB
                                                            I realize deaths have been exaggerated, and also suppressed in some parts of the world, but even if 15,000 US death attributed to COVID-19 were fake, it's still a lot of deaths for a few months.

                                                            Here are flu death estimates according to the CDC...



                                                            Deaths
                                                            Season Estimate
                                                            2010-2011 37,000
                                                            2011-2012 12,000
                                                            2012-2013 43,000
                                                            2013-2014 38,000
                                                            2014-2015 51,000
                                                            2015-2016 23,000
                                                            2016-2017 38,000
                                                            Preliminary estimates* Estimate
                                                            2017-2018* 61,000
                                                            2018-2019* 34,157
                                                            EXACTLY!
                                                            Those figures add up to an annual mean avg of 38,000 deaths
                                                            per 12 month periods from the common seasonal influenza.
                                                            (which btw, is still ongoing now, in addition to COVID-19)
                                                            Also, there are no mitigation measures put in place to stem the
                                                            annual spread of the seasonal flu. It spreads freely.

                                                            Meanwhile, COVID-19 has
                                                            thus far killed over 51,000 just in the month of April alone!
                                                            ...and that is despite the lockdowns which surely reduced the spread!

                                                            ...10 more months of counting to go....

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                                                            • Kermit
                                                              BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                                              • 09-27-10
                                                              • 32555

                                                              #65
                                                              Originally posted by vitterd
                                                              Trump says to inject it or drink it. He’s on a roll. First it was a hoax, then it was gonna be at 0 quickly, now it’s time to inject bleach. Lookin good Donnie!!!
                                                              Where is this video of Trump telling people to drink bleach?
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                                                              • DwightShrute
                                                                SBR Aristocracy
                                                                • 01-17-09
                                                                • 103451

                                                                #66
                                                                Originally posted by Kermit
                                                                Where is this video of Trump telling people to drink bleach?


                                                                Same place as the pee tape and the video where he calls the virus a hoax.

                                                                All 3 were once in Putin's office but were stolen by Gulianni, given to Kim Jong Un and given to the PM of Japan who had them shredded and were cleverly used as Koi Food in plain sight.

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                                                                • RudyRuetigger
                                                                  SBR Aristocracy
                                                                  • 08-24-10
                                                                  • 65084

                                                                  #67
                                                                  Originally posted by KVB
                                                                  I realize deaths have been exaggerated, and also suppressed in some parts of the world, but even if 15,000 US death attributed to COVID-19 were fake, it's still a lot of deaths for a few months.

                                                                  Here are flu death estimates according to the CDC...



                                                                  Deaths
                                                                  Season Estimate
                                                                  2010-2011 37,000
                                                                  2011-2012 12,000
                                                                  2012-2013 43,000
                                                                  2013-2014 38,000
                                                                  2014-2015 51,000
                                                                  2015-2016 23,000
                                                                  2016-2017 38,000
                                                                  Preliminary estimates* Estimate
                                                                  2017-2018* 61,000
                                                                  2018-2019* 34,157
                                                                  dumb post

                                                                  i expect nothing less from kvb though
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                                                                  • d2bets
                                                                    BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                                                    • 08-10-05
                                                                    • 39995

                                                                    #68
                                                                    Originally posted by Kermit
                                                                    Where is this video of Trump telling people to drink bleach?
                                                                    He didn't. He suggested "injection inside" of disinfectants (bleach and/or isoporopyl alcohol).
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                                                                    • DwightShrute
                                                                      SBR Aristocracy
                                                                      • 01-17-09
                                                                      • 103451

                                                                      #69
                                                                      Originally posted by d2bets
                                                                      He didn't. He suggested "injection inside" of disinfectants (bleach and/or isoporopyl alcohol).
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                                                                      • Emily_Haines
                                                                        SBR Posting Legend
                                                                        • 04-14-09
                                                                        • 15917

                                                                        #70
                                                                        Originally posted by DwightShrute
                                                                        For a guy that loves to talk and to talk about himself going three consecutive days without a briefing says a lot about what he said and has no way out of the hole.
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