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  • RonPaul2008
    SBR Hall of Famer
    • 06-08-07
    • 6741

    #1
    States see disappointing tax revenue from legal sports betting
    Six states have legalized sports betting since the Supreme Court's monumental decision last May, but New Jersey is the only one exceeding revenue expectations.


    Why it matters: These disappointing results are part of a "growing consensus that legal sports betting may not bring the windfall that economic forecasters predicted only a few months ago," the New York Times' Timothy Williams reports.


    By the numbers:
    West Virginia has collected only a quarter of the monthly tax revenue it projected, and Pennsylvania and Mississippi have collected only half.

    • Rhode Island has done even worse, bringing in $50,000 per month after predicting they'd bring in almost $1 million.
    • Delaware is meeting projections, but it's thanks in large part to a football-betting operation that's been around since 2009.


    Be smart ...

    The real story here is New Jersey, which has brought in more than $2 billion in the last 10 months thanks to one simple fact: New Jersey allows bettors to place online bets from their smartphones.

    • Meanwhile, most of these struggling states require bettors to place their bets in casinos, which — surprise, surprise — nobody wants to do. Other states like Pennsylvania have legalized mobile betting but still don't offer it.
    • Following New Jersey's lead and getting mobile sports betting up and running seems like the obvious answer to these states' revenue problems. Unfortunately, a little something called politics will make that a slow and complicated process, as casinos continue to apply pressure on legislators.




    The big picture:

    "Right now, I'd say the [casino-only] camp has more momentum simply because many policymakers aren't comfortable with online gambling. Fast-forward a couple years, and I think we'll see a lot of [casino-only] states adding online as they see that online is where the customer — and therefore, the tax revenue — predominantly resides."
    — Chris Grove, managing director of sports and emerging verticals at Eilers & Krejcik Gaming
    The bottom line: In 2019, people want to bet through an app from the comfort of their couch instead of getting in their car and driving to a run-down casino. Who knew?!

  • Sam Odom
    SBR Aristocracy
    • 10-30-05
    • 58063

    #2
    Could be Fake News....

    Covering the skim
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    • jjgold
      SBR Aristocracy
      • 07-20-05
      • 388189

      #3
      sports never make much money
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      • Brock Landers
        SBR Aristocracy
        • 06-30-08
        • 45360

        #4
        If they expected a golden goose, they were stupid to Begin with
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        • Gmen30
          SBR MVP
          • 10-13-10
          • 1405

          #5
          Originally posted by Brock Landers
          If they expected a golden goose, they were stupid to Begin with
          The only golden goose here is fading your picks.
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          • Bluehorseshoe
            SBR Posting Legend
            • 07-13-06
            • 14983

            #6
            Rhode Island brought in only $50,000 per month?

            My local brings in more.
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            • thomorino
              Restricted User
              • 06-01-17
              • 45842

              #7
              Its because New Jersey is the only state with great online options, once other states offer more online they will do better.
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              • ChuckyTheGoat
                BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                • 04-04-11
                • 36732

                #8
                Originally posted by Bluehorseshoe
                Rhode Island brought in only $50,000 per month?

                My local brings in more.
                Small state. But this is a good article. I think a big part of it is that in REALITY, people don't bet big.

                Think about it. Even on SBR...how many guys tout themselves as BIG TIME (when they're really small-time, or even air-betting)?
                Where's the fuckin power box, Carol?
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                • tblues2005
                  SBR Hall of Famer
                  • 07-30-06
                  • 9234

                  #9
                  Is Nevada the same way as New Jersey Is? They should be doing the same thing.
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                  • Goat Milk
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                    • 03-24-10
                    • 25850

                    #10
                    Originally posted by ChuckyTheGoat
                    Small state. But this is a good article. I think a big part of it is that in REALITY, people don't bet big.

                    Think about it. Even on SBR...how many guys tout themselves as BIG TIME (when they're really small-time, or even air-betting)?
                    I dunno

                    Serious posters on this site don't have time to air bet

                    Not gonna spend an hour on SBR per day for 10 years and be betting 10 bucks a game
                    Cause Sleep is the Cousin of Death
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                    • 7deuceoff$uit
                      SBR MVP
                      • 04-08-16
                      • 2210

                      #11
                      Same thing for any new thing that is taxed. Weed revenue was well below expectations too. Not that it really matters, politicians wouldn't be able to manage the new funds anyways.
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                      • jjgold
                        SBR Aristocracy
                        • 07-20-05
                        • 388189

                        #12
                        locals make it all

                        dealers make it all

                        Morino right though
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                        • SBR_Guest_Pro
                          SBR MVP
                          • 02-10-15
                          • 3955

                          #13
                          **waiting for buffalo wild wings to start offering sports betting**
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                          • JayLA
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                            • 09-11-12
                            • 7806

                            #14
                            Compared to what?
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                            • eaglesfan371
                              SBR MVP
                              • 01-08-19
                              • 4079

                              #15
                              Lol this is what sell-side valuations is all about in banking, overestimating projections so that the end client "buys" the company you are trying to sell.

                              Just look how the NY state-licensed casinos are doing in terms of revenue, extremely under projections.
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                              • goduke
                                SBR Posting Legend
                                • 02-17-10
                                • 11580

                                #16
                                You got to read about all the mistakes Rhode Island is making. And the kind of revenue they projected for one casino and no mobile betting. Then there reasoning for not bringing in more money was "oh the pats won or else we would of hit our numbers" Some truly stupid people running that state
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                                • jjgold
                                  SBR Aristocracy
                                  • 07-20-05
                                  • 388189

                                  #17
                                  PA killing it casinos

                                  Books will do well like NJ once online starts
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                                  • topgame85
                                    SBR Posting Legend
                                    • 03-30-08
                                    • 12325

                                    #18
                                    Overestimate, get spending based on estimates built into the budget immediately, run a deficit as a result of failing to hit numbers and raise taxes to maintain spending levels. Politicians are creatures of habit.
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                                    • The General
                                      SBR Posting Legend
                                      • 08-10-05
                                      • 13279

                                      #19
                                      It's here to stay and get bigger and better over time. Some is better than nothing. Gold and morino are correct with online really picking things up. High expectations partially fake to draw support.
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                                      • pavyracer
                                        SBR Aristocracy
                                        • 04-12-07
                                        • 82486

                                        #20
                                        Most pros play in New Jersey hence the higher tax revenue.
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                                        • jjgold
                                          SBR Aristocracy
                                          • 07-20-05
                                          • 388189

                                          #21
                                          Vegas has always said it they could care less if they even had sports betting
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                                          • topgame85
                                            SBR Posting Legend
                                            • 03-30-08
                                            • 12325

                                            #22
                                            Need to see how much impact cross over gaming has on these properties. Also lots of guys sitting round drinking 20 $5 Bud lights while watching their $20 bet. No question it helps the casinos and state but to what extent.
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                                            • jjgold
                                              SBR Aristocracy
                                              • 07-20-05
                                              • 388189

                                              #23
                                              Pennsylvania is going to do real well going to be just as many books as New Jersey all online
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                                              • Philmill
                                                SBR MVP
                                                • 09-30-11
                                                • 4275

                                                #24
                                                Like JJ said..... a lot of Nevada Casinos don't give a shit to have a sportsbook....

                                                so they just farm it out to a company like Will Hill just to get alittle more traffic
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                                                • teecee
                                                  SBR Hall of Famer
                                                  • 09-18-09
                                                  • 6295

                                                  #25
                                                  Who gives a fukk what the revenues are? We should be allowed to gamble when and where the fukk we want, regardless of whether the states are pulling in tax dollars.
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                                                  • The General
                                                    SBR Posting Legend
                                                    • 08-10-05
                                                    • 13279

                                                    #26
                                                    The 'who gives a fuk' card could be used in 100% of daily conversation. What a boring world that would be.
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                                                    • milwaukee mike
                                                      BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                                      • 08-22-07
                                                      • 26914

                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by Goat Milk
                                                      I dunno

                                                      Serious posters on this site don't have time to air bet

                                                      Not gonna spend an hour on SBR per day for 10 years and be betting 10 bucks a game
                                                      you're killing me

                                                      almost all the real gamblers and professionals left this place 10 years ago
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                                                      • teecee
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                                                        • 09-18-09
                                                        • 6295

                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by The General
                                                        The 'who gives a fuk' card could be used in 100% of daily conversation. What a boring world that would be.
                                                        That was me contributing my opinion. Sorry to bore you.
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                                                        • RangeFinder
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                                                          • 10-27-16
                                                          • 8041

                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by Sam Odom
                                                          Could be Fake News....

                                                          Covering the skim
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                                                          • hawkeye 16
                                                            SBR MVP
                                                            • 09-07-17
                                                            • 3553

                                                            #30
                                                            iowa's bill just passed the legislature!. Yesterday I think. Just waiting for some ink from the governor.

                                                            I'm sure Iowa's actual revenue will be below projections as well, although I think they set more reasonable expectations.
                                                            Iowa also has a good casino infrastructure in place. 23 or so casinos that are widely dispersed across the state and well placed along the interstates. Obviously a small population, but should get a decent amount of out of state business.

                                                            I wish I was back in college. Iowa, Iowa State and UNI all basically have their own casino close by.
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                                                            • Sam Odom
                                                              SBR Aristocracy
                                                              • 10-30-05
                                                              • 58063

                                                              #31
                                                              hawkeye


                                                              do you think -FH- will move back to the corn fields ?
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                                                              • hubie69
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                                                                • 09-16-10
                                                                • 7329

                                                                #32
                                                                Originally posted by hawkeye 16
                                                                iowa's bill just passed the legislature!. Yesterday I think. Just waiting for some ink from the governor.

                                                                I'm sure Iowa's actual revenue will be below projections as well, although I think they set more reasonable expectations.
                                                                Iowa also has a good casino infrastructure in place. 23 or so casinos that are widely dispersed across the state and well placed along the interstates. Obviously a small population, but should get a decent amount of out of state business.

                                                                I wish I was back in college. Iowa, Iowa State and UNI all basically have their own casino close by.
                                                                Pretty excited that I can get out of the shifty online casino/BitCoin business
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                                                                • mngambler
                                                                  SBR MVP
                                                                  • 08-01-11
                                                                  • 2890

                                                                  #33
                                                                  could they have picked 3-4 bigger broke dick white trash states to legalize it to start?
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                                                                  • hawkeye 16
                                                                    SBR MVP
                                                                    • 09-07-17
                                                                    • 3553

                                                                    #34
                                                                    Originally posted by Sam Odom
                                                                    hawkeye
                                                                    do you think -FH- will move back to the corn fields ?
                                                                    I'm not sure. I've never met the guy. I do remember his handle I think from way back in the early days of forums.

                                                                    To move back to Iowa, you would probably need more than just sports betting. I wasn't exactly planning on ending up back here, but sometimes that's the way life goes.

                                                                    Don't get me wrong, it's not a bad place to live, especially if you want to raise a family, etc. There are definitely worse places.
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                                                                    • Sam Odom
                                                                      SBR Aristocracy
                                                                      • 10-30-05
                                                                      • 58063

                                                                      #35
                                                                      Originally posted by hawkeye 16

                                                                      I'm not sure. I've never met the guy.
                                                                      OK... Thought wrongly you knew him

                                                                      Must be someone else
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