Stock Market Discussion -- started 03/06/2018 -- updated daily !!!

[homie1975]

Josh a quick glance gleans it's basically the same just for a few changes right?

[guitarjosh]

Josh a quick glance gleans it's basically the same just for a few changes right?

Pretty much, added a few and cut some.

[d2bets]

Is the weekend trade war talk going to wear on the market tomorrow?

[guitarjosh]

Is the weekend trade war talk going to wear on the market tomorrow?

Looks that way

[RoyBacon]

Down 111 in the pre. I'm gonna pick up some SPY in the pre.

I see a modest bond rally in the pre. I think stocks recover by coffee time.

[KVB]

Gamestop up big on what's likely a short squeeze because of reports of hiring a banker for potential buyout purposes.

Unreal. It's becoming a takeover candidate.

What about GE? Constantly under pressure.

[d2bets]

Gamestop up big on what's likely a short squeeze because of reports of hiring a banker for potential buyout purposes.

Unreal. It's becoming a takeover candidate.

What about GE? Constantly under pressure.

GE looks like it will re-test the March/April lows. I doubt it holds. Probably headed to the 11's. Keep in mind this is still a 115 billion dollar company right now. So while 11 or 13 sounds low, that's still a large market cap.

[RoyBacon]

GE looks like it will re-test the March/April lows. I doubt it holds. Probably headed to the 11's. Keep in mind this is still a 115 billion dollar company right now. So while 11 or 13 sounds low, that's still a large market cap.

Dead stock walking.

I've been buying this on the way down. Sell some calls on it and put it away. GE is trading less than 1x sales. So the entire company is trading less than their annual sales.

Stock is on sale. Buy some and put her away. They have a plan and are estimating good profits in 9 months.

[jjgold]

GE only option long term buy

[d2bets]

Dead stock walking.

I've been buying this on the way down. Sell some calls on it and put it away. GE is trading less than 1x sales. So the entire company is trading less than their annual sales.

Stock is on sale. Buy some and put her away. They have a plan and are estimating good profits in 9 months.

It's sounds like you don't think it's a dead stock.

[RoyBacon]

It's sounds like you don't think it's a dead stock.

How many great companies have you seen fall down into the dumps for a while? BkofAma, AT&T, All the oils, AAPL, and on and on.

But recovery can take a while. I just think with these truly great companies you have to buy them when they are on sale and simply hold them for a few years. GE has a great book of business and the price will be much higher in the future but they will likely sit right here for at least the rest of this year and maybe all of next.

[d2bets]

How many great companies have you seen fall down into the dumps for a while? BkofAma, AT&T, All the oils, AAPL, and on and on.

But recovery can take a while. I just think with these truly great companies you have to buy them when they are on sale and simply hold them for a few years. GE has a great book of business and the price will be much higher in the future but they will likely sit right here for at least the rest of this year and maybe all of next.

Yeah, and plenty of formerly "great" companies become no longer great and suffer. Kodak was great until it became irrelevant. A lot of the ones you mentioned fell hard along with the market. GE has fallen hard in a rising market. I might even buy GE at some point, but I don't think it's a sure thing.

[chico2663]

Yeah, and plenty of formerly "great" companies become no longer great and suffer. Kodak was great until it became irrelevant. A lot of the ones you mentioned fell hard along with the market. GE has fallen hard in a rising market. I might even buy GE at some point, but I don't think it's a sure thing.

they are working on obotics

[RoyBacon]

Yeah, and plenty of formerly "great" companies become no longer great and suffer. Kodak was great until it became irrelevant. A lot of the ones you mentioned fell hard along with the market. GE has fallen hard in a rising market. I might even buy GE at some point, but I don't think it's a sure thing.

Kodak is no comparison to GE fyi. Jet engines are not going to be replaced by cell phones like what happened to Kodak. GE has a huge residual business on just spare parts from a million different products. They do a ton of defense work and the military budget is loaded.

If this stock is not higher than $17 by the end of next year I will make Joe Biden my avatar. Remind me.

[KVB]

Futures look brutal for equities tomorrow.

Gold and bonds looking green.

[KVB]

...If this stock is not higher than $17 by the end of next year I will make Joe Biden my avatar. Remind me.

[d2bets]

Fundamentally the markets only want to go higher. On the other hand Trump only wants to send the market down hard. Trump is winning today.

[RoyBacon]

Going to be bumpy until he gets the trade deal he wants.

Trump is playing this perfectly. Told the Chinese we have $200B in tariffs which will start the day after you impose your $50B in tariffs...... little Dirty Harry in there. You can kind of hear Trump say 'Make my day'.

[RoyBacon]

A major beat down....

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[d2bets]

A major beat down....

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They don't give a shit. Xi is leader for life. They've been through crap before and will deal with it again if need be. They can wait out Trump. They let it go to shit this year and know that if Trump doesn't back down his party gets crushed in the midterms. Trump needs to back the fukk down. I actually think he's even smart enough to know this, but who knows. I probably overestimate him. If he doesn't, Kudlow will probably have another heart attack.

[KVB]

...Trump doesn't back down his party gets crushed in the midterms. Trump needs to back the fukk down...

And then we see a year of gains disappear in days. It will be the opposite of the promise of a Trump victory that sent markets upward with increased volatility.

Volatility might be less, but in my opinion the upside will certainly be more in check.

As it stands, we just have to endure volatility that is labeled everywhere as fear based.

[RoyBacon]

They don't give a shit. Xi is leader for life. They've been through crap before and will deal with it again if need be. They can wait out Trump. They let it go to shit this year and know that if Trump doesn't back down his party gets crushed in the midterms. Trump needs to back the fukk down. I actually think he's even smart enough to know this, but who knows. I probably overestimate him. If he doesn't, Kudlow will probably have another heart attack.

That thinking is why we are where we are.

The market will be fine. Xi is the leader for life or until he is booted(whichever comes first).

Trump doesn't have to back down and won't. 75% of Chinese exports end up in the good ole USA. Trump is going to do what is known in business as a "cram-down" deal. He knows they have much more to lose. They will try a bit longer to trip him up, weave a little and when that fails they will deal. They have no choice, we do.

[KVB]

Isn't it great Roy, this is a time for investors to take advantage.

While I firmly believe China will always win the longest game, that's how they've played it throughout history and always prevail, this mini long game belongs to a Trump fueled US.

The western boardroom is taking over again.

[KVB]

Bought more HIMX to get to 8.05 a share.

They have a siginificant dividend cut from last year but in my opinion it's a good business move and shows they are accommodating their growth plan.

I think investors want to be on this side of 9 in the future even if it is subject to small cap, semi conductor and Asian shares volatility all at the same time.

[RoyBacon]

Isn't it great Roy, this is a time for investors to take advantage.

While I firmly believe China will always win the longest game, that's how they've played it throughout history and always prevail, this mini long game belongs to a Trump fueled US.

The western boardroom is taking over again.

Yea we had this a few months ago and everyone was panicking. We are up 5% from there.

There was a guy on CNBC that made a great case that these tariffs may just tap the breaks to the point the fed doesnt have to. And sure enough you got the 10 year really strong today.

It's hard in the short term. You just know China is going to fire back hard and rattle the market. But these will play out and be forgotten.

[KVB]

Dow -1.15%
Nas -.40%
S&P -.45%

KVB Total Return Fund -.1 %

[RoyBacon]

I'm ready to pounce on BABA and BIDU. They are both still above where I sold them dam it. I think I'll wait to see how hard China fires back.

[chico2663]

And then we see a year of gains disappear in days. It will be the opposite of the promise of a Trump victory that sent markets upward with increased volatility.

Volatility might be less, but in my opinion the upside will certainly be more in check.

As it stands, we just have to endure volatility that is labeled everywhere as fear based.

don't know what you are talking about. besides trump and reagan the stock market always does bad on republican presidents. Only reason it has done well under these two is they gave the tax to the rich so they could buy back the stocks

[RoyBacon]

don't know what you are talking about. besides trump and reagan the stock market always does bad on republican presidents. Only reason it has done well under these two is they gave the tax to the rich so they could buy back the stocks

[KVB]

don't know what you are talking about. besides trump and reagan the stock market always does bad on republican presidents. Only reason it has done well under these two is they gave the tax to the rich so they could buy back the stocks

This isn't about Republican presidents. This isn't about past markets.

If you don't get out of the political battle mindset and start looking at the present, the players, the money, you may be subject to fears. You may be fine for the longest term because in the end there isn't a difference between republicans and democrats, one will just take longer to get to the same socialist point.

But for the short term, you shouldn't mistake a bull for brains.

[chico2663]

Bought more HIMX to get to 8.05 a share.

They have a siginificant dividend cut from last year but in my opinion it's a good business move and shows they are accommodating their growth plan.

I think investors want to be on this side of 9 in the future even if it is subject to small cap, semi conductor and Asian shares volatility all at the same time.

i bought it at 8.75 after seeing your post. I have only made money on mac's suggestions

[chico2663]

This isn't about Republican presidents. This isn't about past markets.

If you don't get out of the political battle mindset and start looking at the present, the players, the money, you may be subject to fears. You may be fine for the longest term because in the end there isn't a difference between republicans and democrats, one will just take longer to get to the same socialist point.

But for the short term, you shouldn't mistake a bull for brains.

We all play to make money. It isn't politics. it is facts. When w took office i put all my money in cash. i made money. When trump announced his run i looked toward stock that i thought he would grow. There is a thread called stock picks where you can see what i said.

[KVB]

i bought it at 8.75 after seeing your post. I have only made money on mac's suggestions

Keep an eye on it. If anything changes from what I see then I'll be sure to chime in. I really think this side of 9 will pay off and it looks to my like institutions agree.

Was looking at this thing at 7.20, but never pulled the trigger until I posted.

I averaged down from 8.40 to 8.05.

[KVB]

We all play to make money. It isn't politics. it is facts. When w took office i put all my money in cash. i made money. When trump announced his run i looked toward stock that i thought he would grow. There is a thread called stock picks where you can see what i said.

Yeah, not trying to argue or get political. It was clear the night of the election the the inside institutional money knew what was ahead. They new what his Presidency would bring. They are ahead of us.

That was the institutional phase of investment. Public has caught on and it seems we could be nearing that point where exuberance is excess and we pull back.

But to the end, we really haven't seen the internals that imply recession although we are seeing credit building and some of that has driven company outlooks, profits, and earnings.

That could hurt things outside of the time frame of our Trade War Ass Kicking Fears.

[KVB]

...I have only made money on mac's suggestions

Nearly every position in the KVB Total Return Fund popped upon buy. The market did all that work...lol.

Those that didn't were the smallest allocations (GE) and were bought partially (35 shares CELG as I would have rather have been in $9 earlier but that boat sailed).

CELG was up today, making it positive in the account.

HIMX is off too but I did discuss a bit of a longer time frame for that company and wanted in before we saw 9. My limit at 7.65 filled today and it closed at 7.76. I think we have a winner there.

There has been dividend payments and option income in that account as well.

I'm exposed though, that's why I'm trying to draw off some income and prepare for some volatility.