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  • ChuckyTheGoat
    BARRELED IN @ SBR!
    • 04-04-11
    • 37286

    #3606
    Originally posted by puckk
    Things to look out for in 2018 in #Bitcoin:
    1. Nasdaq Bitcoin Futures
    2. NYSE Bitcoin ETFs
    3. Cboe Bitcoin ETFs
    4. Scaling / Lower Fees
    5. More Adoption Due to ↑
    6. Many Billion of Institutional Money Coming to Bitcoin / Crypto
    Props to the crypto Forum-sharps. Happy holidays to all of u.

    If someone can figure out the lower fees...I think that coin will garner market share.
    Where's the fuckin power box, Carol?
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    • Chi_archie
      SBR Aristocracy
      • 07-22-08
      • 63167

      #3607
      get it boys
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      • Chi_archie
        SBR Aristocracy
        • 07-22-08
        • 63167

        #3608
        don't forget to keep track of all your buys and sells now

        all trades are tax events now

        The new U.S. tax code amends IRC Section 1031 (a)(1) to close a loophole, making all cryptocurrency trades a taxable event.


        The new U.S. tax code amends IRC Section 1031 (a)(1) regarding “like kind exchanges,” excluding all cryptocurrencies from a previous legal loophole and making all cryptocurrency trades a taxable event.

        On Friday morning, U.S. President Donald Trump signed a new tax bill into law, signalling the first major tax overhaul in the U.S. in over 30 years. And while you may or may not have high praise for the bill, one thing is certain: the new tax code is bad news for cryptocurrency investors. Starting Jan. 1st, 2018, all cryptocurrency trades will be a taxable event, including swapping one cryptocurrency for another.

        CLOSING THE 1031 LOOPHOLE

        The recent overhaul amends a part of the tax code regarding exemptions for “like kind exchanges,” allowing investors to swap similar assets without triggering a tax event. These so-called “1031 exchanges” have long been used by traders to exchange property, such as art or real estate, without having to pay taxes on it.
        Since March 2014, the IRS has treated Bitcoin and other digital currencies as property for tax purposes. This makes them subject to capital gains tax, requiring taxes be paid whenever crypto is exchanged for fiat currency (ie. cash).
        Coins held for less than a year are subject to regular income tax, which can range anywhere from 10 to 37 percent, depending upon personal income levels. Coins held for longer than one year are subject to long-term capital gains tax, which caps at around 24 percent.
        However, it has never been clear whether a trade between two different cryptocurrencies qualifies as a “like kind exchange.” Up until this point, cryptocurrency trades have typically resided in this legal gray area, granting most traders a loophole for deferring taxes on short-term capital gains.
        However, the new amendment definitively narrows the 1031 exemption to only cover real estate swaps, excluding Bitcoin entirely. It specifically limits the scope of the law from previously covering “property” to now only covering “real property.” And as a digital asset, cryptocurrency is about as far from “real property” as one can get.
        The end result is that, starting next year, effectively all cryptocurrency trades will be taxed at the time of their execution, bringing an end to one of the most lucrative tax loopholes previously available to traders.
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        • The Kraken
          BARRELED IN @ SBR!
          • 12-25-11
          • 28918

          #3609
          Any guesses how the segwit fork is going to effect BTC price on the 28th?
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          • hotcross
            SBR Hall of Famer
            • 08-04-17
            • 7934

            #3610
            Not believing this rally ahead of the fork. BTC price not breaking thru 16k convincingly at this point.

            Situation could change quickly with this of course
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            • ace7550
              SBR MVP
              • 05-08-15
              • 3729

              #3611
              Originally posted by The Kraken
              Any guesses how the segwit fork is going to effect BTC price on the 28th?
              This is another questionable fork. It's significantly different than the original segwit2x fork that got cancelled. I think the increase over the last couple days has been because of xmas more than the potential fork. I don't think it will effect it drastically either way.
              They are running it on the X-11 algorithm. Bitcoin and all it's other forks run on the Sha-256 algorithm. The reason this is important is because you need people mining a currency to support the network. There are a hell of a lot more people mining on Sha-256 than X-11.
              That's my 2 cents.
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              • Demonata
                BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                • 07-12-11
                • 25829

                #3612
                Can i withdraw bitcoin from a sportsbook to gdax just fine? How can i avoid a $20 fee because mycellium has expensive fees on there wallet? Thanks guys
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                • Bsims
                  SBR Wise Guy
                  • 02-03-09
                  • 827

                  #3613
                  Originally posted by Chi_archie
                  don't forget to keep track of all your buys and sells now

                  all trades are tax events now

                  The new U.S. tax code amends IRC Section 1031 (a)(1) to close a loophole, making all cryptocurrency trades a taxable event.


                  The new U.S. tax code amends IRC Section 1031 (a)(1) regarding “like kind exchanges,” excluding all cryptocurrencies from a previous legal loophole and making all cryptocurrency trades a taxable event.
                  This will really be a mess. I have a real concern about how the IRS will decide to handle these trades. The natural way to handle two transactions would be to subtract the difference between the selling price and the purchase price. But these could be in different currencies, so a simple subtraction isn’t possible. The most likely scenerio is the example I cited in a post on 10/27.

                  “But wait, suppose he uses the BTC to buy some LTC and later sells LTC to buy some XRP, and so on. Now how do I assign USD gains and losses on these transactions. Yes, it technically could be done, but it would be very tricky and require the knowledge of the equivalent USD value at the moment of the transactions. Somehow this strikes me as beyond their capabilities.”

                  Unfortunately, the IRS probably won’t issue guidelines on how to do this for a good while. We’ll be on our own to decide what records to keep. Any thoughts?
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                  • shocka1212
                    SBR Posting Legend
                    • 10-06-12
                    • 16788

                    #3614
                    Originally posted by Demonata
                    Can i withdraw bitcoin from a sportsbook to gdax just fine? How can i avoid a $20 fee because mycellium has expensive fees on there wallet? Thanks guys
                    id go gdax to blockchain and then blockchain to whatever book you use.
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                    • mikenba17
                      SBR Rookie
                      • 12-26-17
                      • 1

                      #3615
                      Amazing News

                      I have read that https://www.skygoal.se will soon accept crypto-currency as a checkout method, What do you think of it ?
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                      • Demonata
                        BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                        • 07-12-11
                        • 25829

                        #3616
                        Originally posted by shocka1212
                        id go gdax to blockchain and then blockchain to whatever book you use.
                        No im withdrawing from a book. Not depositing to one. So trying to figure out how to avoid $20+ in fees?
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                        • hotcross
                          SBR Hall of Famer
                          • 08-04-17
                          • 7934

                          #3617
                          here's the thing now with fees so high, you better be transacting s substantial amount of $ to make it worth paying the $20 fee....twice.

                          I said twice because it's been discussed many times, that to avoid having your exchange account terminated, you need to send to the intermediary wallet like Blockchain.info first, then a second send to your exchange where you then convert to USD
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                          • ace7550
                            SBR MVP
                            • 05-08-15
                            • 3729

                            #3618
                            Originally posted by Bsims
                            This will really be a mess. I have a real concern about how the IRS will decide to handle these trades. The natural way to handle two transactions would be to subtract the difference between the selling price and the purchase price. But these could be in different currencies, so a simple subtraction isn’t possible. The most likely scenerio is the example I cited in a post on 10/27.

                            “But wait, suppose he uses the BTC to buy some LTC and later sells LTC to buy some XRP, and so on. Now how do I assign USD gains and losses on these transactions. Yes, it technically could be done, but it would be very tricky and require the knowledge of the equivalent USD value at the moment of the transactions. Somehow this strikes me as beyond their capabilities.”

                            Unfortunately, the IRS probably won’t issue guidelines on how to do this for a good while. We’ll be on our own to decide what records to keep. Any thoughts?
                            I think whatever profits you take in usd are subject to capital gains tax. So if you invested 10k USD into crypto and at some point took out 20k you would owe on the 10k you profited. If you still have crypto left than the moment those are exchanged into USD you would owe tax on that as well.
                            That's just one way to do it. There are many ways.
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                            • swordsandtequila
                              SBR Hall of Famer
                              • 02-23-12
                              • 9757

                              #3619
                              Originally posted by hotcross
                              here's the thing now with fees so high, you better be transacting s substantial amount of $ to make it worth paying the $20 fee....twice.

                              I said twice because it's been discussed many times, that to avoid having your exchange account terminated, you need to send to the intermediary wallet like Blockchain.info first, then a second send to your exchange where you then convert to USD
                              In this scenario (withdrawing from book) I would think something like the bitpay card would be preferable, I believe this would minimize fees substantially. Maybe some users could chime in.
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                              • reigle9
                                SBR Posting Legend
                                • 10-25-07
                                • 17879

                                #3620
                                VEN took off this morning.
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                                • swordsandtequila
                                  SBR Hall of Famer
                                  • 02-23-12
                                  • 9757

                                  #3621
                                  Happy fuk'n New Year to me, Bittrex finally resolved my verification issue
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                                  • Demonata
                                    BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                    • 07-12-11
                                    • 25829

                                    #3622
                                    Originally posted by swordsandtequila
                                    In this scenario (withdrawing from book) I would think something like the bitpay card would be preferable, I believe this would minimize fees substantially. Maybe some users could chime in.
                                    Maybe withdraw from book to bitpay bitcoin address in bitpay app? I wonder if bitpay allows you to convert it in their app?
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                                    • shocka1212
                                      SBR Posting Legend
                                      • 10-06-12
                                      • 16788

                                      #3623
                                      Originally posted by swordsandtequila
                                      Happy fuk'n New Year to me, Bittrex finally resolved my verification issue
                                      Originally posted by reigle9
                                      VEN took off this morning.
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                                      • ans61201
                                        SBR MVP
                                        • 10-11-15
                                        • 3661

                                        #3624
                                        So to add along with the sketchiness of coinbase as a site, last night their price froze for a couple of hours. Usually that wouldn't strike me as odd but with their track record I took a look, and of course their price was magically frozen on yesterday's high, and since the price on the site unfroze been in a steady decline. That site is definitely manipulating a ton of things.
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                                        • reigle9
                                          SBR Posting Legend
                                          • 10-25-07
                                          • 17879

                                          #3625
                                          I have about a grand in btc, how much free money would I be missing out on with the fork tomorrow if I don't have it in the proper place which I guess would be your own wallet?
                                          I should probably figure this out today if it's anything more than a few bucks.
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                                          • trytrytry
                                            SBR Posting Legend
                                            • 03-13-06
                                            • 23649

                                            #3626
                                            Originally posted by reigle9
                                            I have about a grand in btc, how much free money would I be missing out on with the fork tomorrow if I don't have it in the proper place which I guess would be your own wallet?
                                            I should probably figure this out today if it's anything more than a few bucks.
                                            some say its trading about 1/13th - 1/16th the price of bitcion on some futures exchanges.
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                                            • shocka1212
                                              SBR Posting Legend
                                              • 10-06-12
                                              • 16788

                                              #3627
                                              Originally posted by trytrytry
                                              some say its trading about 1/13th - 1/16th the price of bitcion on some futures exchanges.
                                              could be big down the road
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                                              • shocka1212
                                                SBR Posting Legend
                                                • 10-06-12
                                                • 16788

                                                #3628
                                                trying to acquire some btc on this dip... when is there a fork? I haven't received any email informing me.
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                                                • PaperTrail07
                                                  SBR Posting Legend
                                                  • 08-29-08
                                                  • 20423

                                                  #3629
                                                  uhhh you know....TOMORROW lol...
                                                  Originally posted by shocka1212
                                                  trying to acquire some btc on this dip... when is there a fork? I haven't received any email informing me.
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                                                  • ans61201
                                                    SBR MVP
                                                    • 10-11-15
                                                    • 3661

                                                    #3630
                                                    So we should have all btc at bittrex or somewhere where we control the Keys?

                                                    Would it even get there in time if we were to transfer it now
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                                                    • necro
                                                      SBR MVP
                                                      • 06-07-09
                                                      • 1633

                                                      #3631
                                                      my first post in this topic

                                                      take a look at ZCL coin and DTR coin

                                                      both has big value for future

                                                      thanks me later
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                                                      • Crusherrr
                                                        SBR MVP
                                                        • 06-27-16
                                                        • 3649

                                                        #3632
                                                        Originally posted by necro
                                                        my first post in this topic

                                                        take a look at ZCL coin and DTR coin

                                                        both has big value for future

                                                        thanks me later
                                                        If you told us about them before they skyrocketed today that would have been better.
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                                                        • shocka1212
                                                          SBR Posting Legend
                                                          • 10-06-12
                                                          • 16788

                                                          #3633
                                                          Originally posted by PaperTrail07
                                                          uhhh you know....TOMORROW lol...
                                                          got the money in my gdax locked and loaded... going to see if I can get 14,600 again today.. ill pull the trigger then.
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                                                          • shocka1212
                                                            SBR Posting Legend
                                                            • 10-06-12
                                                            • 16788

                                                            #3634
                                                            anyone else having issues logging into binance?
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                                                            • PaperTrail07
                                                              SBR Posting Legend
                                                              • 08-29-08
                                                              • 20423

                                                              #3635
                                                              nope...
                                                              Originally posted by shocka1212
                                                              anyone else having issues logging into binance?
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                                                              • reigle9
                                                                SBR Posting Legend
                                                                • 10-25-07
                                                                • 17879

                                                                #3636
                                                                Originally posted by shocka1212
                                                                trying to acquire some btc on this dip... when is there a fork? I haven't received any email informing me.
                                                                Originally posted by PaperTrail07
                                                                uhhh you know....TOMORROW lol...
                                                                so there isn't? i'm confused
                                                                Originally posted by trytrytry
                                                                some say its trading about 1/13th - 1/16th the price of bitcion on some futures exchanges.
                                                                seems significant
                                                                Originally posted by shocka1212
                                                                got the money in my gdax locked and loaded... going to see if I can get 14,600 again today.. ill pull the trigger then.
                                                                now i'm really confused

                                                                brain is still dried out, prob just going to say f it
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                                                                • necro
                                                                  SBR MVP
                                                                  • 06-07-09
                                                                  • 1633

                                                                  #3637
                                                                  Originally posted by Crusherrr
                                                                  If you told us about them before they skyrocketed today that would have been better.
                                                                  i still expect zcl rise x10 in future
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                                                                  • swordsandtequila
                                                                    SBR Hall of Famer
                                                                    • 02-23-12
                                                                    • 9757

                                                                    #3638
                                                                    Originally posted by Demonata
                                                                    Maybe withdraw from book to bitpay bitcoin address in bitpay app? I wonder if bitpay allows you to convert it in their app?
                                                                    Don't know about that. I don't have the card, but from what I understand you can load the card directly and withdraw cash at atm. Do a search in the bitcoin forum, plenty of topics with more detailed explanations.
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                                                                    • shocka1212
                                                                      SBR Posting Legend
                                                                      • 10-06-12
                                                                      • 16788

                                                                      #3639
                                                                      Originally posted by reigle9
                                                                      so there isn't? i'm confused

                                                                      seems significant


                                                                      now i'm really confused

                                                                      brain is still dried out, prob just going to say f it
                                                                      if you haven't noticed... I've been buying more crypto.......increasing the portfolio in all the areas I have a position when the price is right.
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                                                                      • reigle9
                                                                        SBR Posting Legend
                                                                        • 10-25-07
                                                                        • 17879

                                                                        #3640
                                                                        i have noticed, but that doesn't have anything to do with what i was talking about

                                                                        forget it, idc...i'll just miss out if there's something happening that would give me free money
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