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    Easy $2000/day in baseball and Lakers are a Lottery Team.

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    Most people do not have enough money and enough books to always get good numbers

    In theory you need 35 books

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    Quote Originally Posted by jjgold View Post
    Most people do not have enough money and enough books to always get good numbers

    In theory you need 35 books
    more gibberish. Like I told you before stick to posting videos where you rip off your wig or confess your love for some troll somewhere.

    If you have 3 books, I wont bother naming them, youre going to get the best numbers available 95% of the time on BOTH sides. Assuming you dont live in vegas anyway, because they'll have better numbers a lot of times themselves.

    All these old cliches and thought processes are completely wrong, like needing a screen or a hundred outs or a model, or whatever other nonsense people spout off about.

    all more outs does is increase your odds of being stiffed, thats it.

    The 5% of the time where you might find an off number somewhere at some time isnt going to matter either because more often than not the number is a penny, maybe two better, and the limits are dogshit anyway so no real way to take advantage of it. So those very few times you see odds that are better somewhere its like living in California and seeing that gas is 3.79 in some other state while youre paying 4.29. Would be nice to get but the logistics arent there to make it worthwhile.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jjgold View Post
    Most people do not have enough money and enough books to always get good numbers

    In theory you need 35 books

    What a load of horse shit. I have 5 and basically only use three of them.

    Who in the fuk has 35 outs. With the timeliness of getting a good number of utmost importance I should monitor 35 outs?

    Brother you can't even count to 35 without spitting down the front of you. In theory of course

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    So many worldwide books that have off numbers but usa players do not have access

    The Euro/Can player has a huge advantage in sportsbetting vs American and I mea HUGE

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    As a Canadian player I 100% agree. I probably dont even get into sportsbetting if I'm stuck playing -110 lines like you guys.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rowand13 View Post
    Sorry, indio. I didn't mean to hurt anyone's feelings here. But, you know as we all do that we are all victims here. Victims of sportsbooks that would do anything they can to scam you, cheat you or even stiff you. So, please stop defending those who are in the gambling business, as you sure know that they feed off of our money, our lives, and our happiness. Please tell me how many times have you or someone you know got stiffed, got his money stolen for no legit reason, or got his life ruined because of a crook manager's decision, or even because of losing big chunks chasing losses. If it didn't happen to you, you know how many times it does happen to many players here everyday just reading these forums.

    Not only you said that we are denied simple freedoms of commerce exercised by other citizens which I wouldn't consider to be that big of a loss, but you also admitted that we have been ostracized by mass media, politicians, and mostly important members of our own family which I believe to be our biggest loss. There could be someone being exploited somewhere in connection to any job, not our fault. But the difference here is, we know that always there has to be someone being exploited in this business. So, why all the suffering, lack of sleep, and loss of life quality?

    Last year, I have lost about $8,000, due to the seizure of use-my-wallet which was a payment processor, while the funds were in transit to my bank account. I have had no way to get a single dollar back despite all the good work from many 2+2 forum posters which all fell to no avail. During that time, I wasn't eating or sleeping well at all. That, along with some other huge losses in the last few years had all urged me to stop, and will hopefully manage to. Sorry again, I didn't want to hurt your or anyone's else feelings as I respect you all.
    We are not all victims. Thankfully, in 12 years dealing with numerous off shore wagering businesses, and processors, I have never been stiffed out of 1 dime. There was a few times I had to fight to get my money, and a few times I had to sweat. The worst experience was when a referred credit agent disappeared owing me 9k, and that was a month of hell, because some of that was a friends winnings. But thankfully, the man he worked for appeared like the messiah and sent me the 9k. Now, I'm fully aware that I have been lucky, but I also have been smart about it too. There are red flags that someone can find if they look for them.

    If gambling was a negative force in your life, and you removed it, good for you. But that dosent mean it has to be considered an evil business that is based on exploitation just because you had a problem. I've seen more destruction and ruined lives through the use of alcohol than anything else combined. Does that make every bartender, bar owner, liquor salesman, distributor, beer truck driver, and whoever else is in the alcohol business evil and exploiters? Because some people ruin their lives or kill others through drunk driving, should my right to have a cocktail at a club with other drinkers be taken away?

    Gambling is a hobby,or a profession, and can turn into an addiction. So can thousands of other things. Any business is made up of people, and some people are decent, and some people are exploiters, and that means every business is going to have exploiters who are out there. How many people get ripped off paying too much for a lousy used car that the dealer knew had problems? How many sleepless nights have been had when someone saves 3 years to buy a 15k car that breaks down needing 5k in repair? Does that mean every used car dealer is evil? Are all car dealers exploiters? No, they're not. There's good and bad in EVERY business, and that's just the way it is, and the gambling business is the same way. How many people lost their life savings being ripped off by their 401k's or hedge funds? Does that mean all hedge funds are exploiters? (not the best example since many of them are, but you get the point).

    For every bad story related to gambling, there are good ones as well. Online poker was a godsend for me personally. The ability to make some extra money, and be passionate about competing and improving came along at a time when i needed both. Some people who have been lucky to make a score, have been able to do things with that money that they would have never been able to attain without it. So not every gambling tale is a tale of woe and sadness.

    In closing, let me reiterate how wonderful it is that you saw something was having a negative effect in your life and you changed it. Perhaps though, a better place for you to share these thoughts is at a gamblers anonymous site, or somewhere where gamblers are looking for help. But we are all adults, and if we choose to partake in an activity such as gambling, we know the risks, and we really, respectfully, do not need or want someone telling us that this is evil, and then prefacing it by adding in "I'm a christian", as if somehow that gives your theories and philosophies on gambling extra credence.

    My feelings aren't hurt, and no apology is needed. You spoke your mind and I answered, no one is right or wrong, and everyone can express their opinions. Good luck to you. And if I may make one final suggestion, if you want to keep gambling out of your life, a gambling forum such as this might be a place you would want to avoid. You don't see too many reformed alcoholics stay dry when they're hanging out in bars.
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    Fantastic post.

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    you mean net earnings every one of those years?

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    Thanks man. I just opened an account. Odds look good.

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    I've used Pinny for live soccer betting and so far, I have a winning record in live soccer. I like that their earnings margin is low (e.g. for two mutually exclusive results with same expected probability they earn only 2.25%, the lowest in the market. I use it for games that take place when few other games are on, that way I can handle the way they manage changing odds.

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    For sure... but Pinnacle doesn't seem to mind...

    "Very much like a wholesale grocery retailer in the style of Walmart or Tesco, our success derives from the economy of scale that a high volume of bets generates. This approach means that we arenít in any way selective about the bets we take, so unlike most online bookmakers winners are welcome!"

    http://www.pinnaclesports.com/bettin...=home&icl=box3
    Last edited by barkus; 06-20-12 at 05:10 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by whodat1976 View Post
    I've used Pinny for live soccer betting and so far, I have a winning record in live soccer. I like that their earnings margin is low (e.g. for two mutually exclusive results with same expected probability they earn only 2.25%, the lowest in the market. I use it for games that take place when few other games are on, that way I can handle the way they manage changing odds.
    Betfair has lower juice than Pinnacle as far as live betting and soccer

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    whaaaaaaaaaaat?

    billysink made a post w/o being a punk ass bitch and a hater? stop the presses!!!

    that ass clown just might be civilized after all..... NOT!!!


    billy, you're retarded

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete0 View Post
    I doubt that.


    From what I understand, its not really possible to "decipher" if you will- the pinny lean.
    Simply saying that a Pinny price of -115 compared to weaker books with -105 is sharp will not give you consistent results.
    It the price differential relative to the amount of action taken.
    Meaning, you would need to know the dollar amounts on each side which obviously no book will disclose. - The missing variable to determine the strength of a lean.

    line services like donbest, sportsoptions and give out only consensus , # or % of bets or something similar ( I think ?)
    and they could be a mix of 10$ 1000$ wagers ....
    the consensus on sbrodds is simply no. of bets from 5Dimes if i remember right.


    Thoughts ??
    Do you think that finding the top 3 or 4 most reputable sources of where money is going and averaging them would help solve this equation?

    Do you think big bets are almost exclusively placed by sharps, assuming it isn't a big game? Or do you think there are losers out there that consistently throw money on detroit vs tampa on a Wednesday afternoon to affect a line change?
    Last edited by therushishere; 08-01-12 at 05:31 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jjgold View Post
    Betfair has lower juice than Pinnacle as far as live betting and soccer
    No, they don't.

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