Lifetime member of NRA and I agree no need for public to have assault rifles AR15 etc. I am not against Obama admin trying to take away basic handgun protection from law abiding citizens but if it's just assault rifles, I'm all for it. I don't need those for everyday protection
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Simply put, you're a felon, and I'm not.
Unfortunately, the law is fairly clear here. so thats your answer.
With that said, if I was convicted of a felony tomorrow, which could very well happen at anytime, I would not turn over my guns. So I can empathize with your situationComment -
lol I laugh at you clowns that think being armed is going to make a difference
You would be scared fukkin shit with armed guys with high power rifles and explosives
You would run or hide even with your gun...its all fun and games on the range but real life your not qualified for a fight
and if you do shoot and kill innocent people your in a massive legal mess and buried financially in lawsuits
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Sharp post
I am certainly not smart enough to come up with a full proof solution here but I agree with many posters' sentiments that the ease and utter anonymity under which a firearm can be purchased needs to be the focus
The fact that I can legally purchase an assault rifle!or handgun registration free off of armslist without anyone the wiser is egregiousComment -
Read the 2nd amendment. It's not about the size of the guns. It's either all guns allowed or nothing. In 200 years from now the gun may evolve into a laser beam type of gun like you see in Star Wars movies. Should we ban those then? This country was founded on the idea that all citizens should bear arms regardless of size, type or firepower capacity.Comment -
Hey guys ask yourself how much did the NRA pay for your Senators vote?
As the NYT says "Gods not fixing this"...Comment -
I will stipulate that my carrying a weapon was in clear violation of the law but my issue is that the law should not take my personal liberties without just cause. Unknowingly buying a stolen TV relates to personal gun possession on no level what so ever. The punishment doesn't relate to the crime, even if I had been completely guilty. If I had decided the next day to go see the local neighborhood thief and set up an arrangement to buy every TV he could steal with full knowledge of the conspiracy up front, having or not having a gun would not prevent me from doing so.
I mentor 3 teenagers/young adults at all times. When one matures, he is replaced. Our county now has a new drug court. Only drug cases, which is usually the main issue with these kids. The newest addition to my group is 22 years old. He was arrested in a set up buy with less than an ounce of pot. He will serve no jail time if he completes the program but since he is an adult the conviction will stay on his record. The program requires him to take random drug tests, a series of classes and pay all fines and court costs to avoid jail time. He used to have a good job with a construction company and they decided that they could overlook this one mistake as long as he straightened up. However, not long after he started the program he was fired.
His week consisted of mandatory classes on Tuesdays and Thursday's beginning at 1pm. Then 2-3 random drug tests that had to be done between the hours of 9am-1pm. Classes were $35 each day. Drug tests $25 each. And finally $150 a week in fines and costs. With the good construction job he was set and could do all of this with no problems.
UNTIL, he was notified that the state of Alabama takes your drivers license for 12 months for a pot conviction.
He didn't lose his job for his first ever brush with trouble nor for getting back into drugs or other trouble. He lost his job and his ability to pay because he couldn't get back and forth to all of these places without driving. He could ride with a coworker to work but then had no ride to classes at 1pm. Taking a drug test at 9am is too late to do it on your way to work while asking your ride to two hours of pay to wait on you and then give you a ride.
This is a horrible system and the reason that I mention it is not only is it fresh in my mind as this young man was just sent to me two weeks ago and I have just gotten through to understanding this mess BUT taking his drivers license because he bought some pot makes just as much sense as taking my gun because I bought a stolen TV. This is our tax dollars at work. The reaction not only doesn't fit the original action, they are in no way related. And my beloved state can't fathom the capability to understand why this young man can no longer keep up with $300 a week in payments to the program. This young mans mistake happened nowhere near a car, what does his drivers license have to do with it.
Needless to say, he now works for me and one of my other employees drives him back and forth to each location. I understand that he made a mistake but to set up this expensive program and then have an additional punishment that makes it almost impossible to follow the courts orders. But buying some pot doesn't make him a dangerous driver no more than buying a stolen TV makes me a danger to society with a gun.Comment -
Guys, I apologize. I didn't realize that I had ranted a novel until I saw it after it posted. It didn't seem so complex in my thoughts but it's quite long winded. Once again, my apologies.Comment -
I agree. I'm baffled that assault rifles are still legal anywhere.
I received my first gun (shotgun) when I was 11 to go hunting with. I had to take lessons from the gun range, and the biggest lesson I remember is to respect the gun and always treated as if its loaded and never point it towards someone. I thought everyone had to take lessons.
My friend got into guns a few years ago, and started buying hand guns and an assault rifle. First thing he did was he pretended like the hand gun was a toy and did a tuck-n-roll around the corner and then pointed it straight at me. People think these guns are toys and don't respect them.
On another note, the biggest way to reduce all the killings is to have a better data base on who is buying guns. As well as moving towards the actions that Japan has on buying guns: you have to wait, go through an evaluation and training.Comment -
Why in the fukk are foreigners so obsessed with the goings on in America??
I can honestly say I've never popped into a thread about anything in Australia, or New Guinea, or wherever the fukk they're from.
Worry about your own. Seriously. This obsession is disturbing.Comment -
I could probably get behind stricter guidelines for registering guns and even a mandatory training class and/or waiting periods. maybe even an evaluation of sorts each time a persons conceal carry permit is renewed. The problems with these ideas is that our government could probably never put together something simple yet effective.
However, I would have the most trouble with restricting the availability of a particular weapon (assault rifles) strictly based on the premise that no one needs one. Many people use them for recreation, not strictly terrorism. I don't need season tickets to Bama football but you shouldn't outlaw them just because your a big10 fan.
I oppose any infringement on personal liberties/choices if the action being outlawed does not directly cause harm to others. Yes, this opinion is directly related to my personal choice of owning a weapon becoming a crime for me though no fault of my own. No, I do not own an assault rifle and don't intend to purchase one in the future. But I see no need to stop you just because I feel that no one needs one. Shooting someone with an assault rifle is illegal and should be but owning one harms no one.Comment -
If you base outlawing assault rifles because you feel that no one needs one and that they have they ability to cause many deaths quickly then you should also feel the need to outlaw natural gas as a fuel source for homes and businesses. Each one of those buildings could be heated with electricity without the frequent natural gas explosions that can kill just as many just as quickly as a nut job with an assault rifle and the natural gas explosion doesn't require the assistance of a nut job to cause its damage.Comment -
Pretty sure one of the guys that got killed was real outspoken about Muslims and the shooter did not like him
It just goes to show keep opinions to yourselfComment -
The obvious fallacy in the "lets ban butter knives and natural gas because they can people too" argument, is that guns are manufactured for one reason, to facilitate death. They don't heat homes, they're not used to play baseball with, they don't get us to and from work, they simply kill.
So its not that guns can kill, it's that that is ALL they can do
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And by the way Bluer....
They "are" always white.
Bullshit your way outta that fact.
I'm actually always on the edge of my seat waiting to see if its a Mexican mass murderer or a black serial killer.
You ignorant douche bag
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Let's assume for just a second that you are correct and that no person has ever used a gun for any form of recreation or entertainment.
Guns do kill and are perfectly designed to do so. In the past few weeks the many guns on my farm have been used to kill just as you have stated. We have killed:
Hawks that prey on our smaller chickens
Stray dogs that are greedy and go after the larger, full grown chickens.
Coyotes that are particularly fond of the taste of our sheep.
Deer , which I'm not real fond of its taste, but many in this area are and if no one in the family or on the farm wants it, there are many families in the area that are happy to come pick it up to put in their freezer. I should mention that these deer are overcrowded in this area and do their best to decimate my crops such as corn, peas, and others (especially the cucumbers).
Rabbits. I have an older gentleman that likes to hunt the many rabbits that like to get fat off of my crops. He says that he likes killing his rabbits here because we keep them especially well fed. He kills them, cleans them, prepares them and eats them much like his family did when he was a kid.
Guns do kill and are well designed to do so and we put them to good use around here. If you would like to change that than I suggest that you venture out here to the country to guard the flocks, protect the crops and feed the hungry because without guns we will need everyone who wants to ban guns to come man a post or I will be out of business real soon and some of my neighbors will be short on meat in their freezer so please stop by the grocery store on your way here.Comment -
Opie, c'mon man.
You're always spewing your bull
about pot.
It's meant for entertainment too, but half these gun nuts are against pot because of all the victims.
When it suits a gun nuts agenda they are all for freedoms & rights. When it doesn't they are are all for regulations & bannings.
It generates post counts & views but hypocrites like Opie make very weak arguments by posting crap like, "I agree with Go Blue"
And this crap passes for POTM material.
We need an NHL mid in here to control thus
Dante1
Where are ya buddy....
They're owning me in here.Comment -
LIke I said he should of kept his mouth shut about topic
A known critic and not worth it when talking about religionComment -
Not exactly sure what you mean by guns nuts (as you call it and I have been called one many times) being about freedoms when it suits them and regulations when freedom doesn't suit them. To get any perspective you should clarify what freedoms you see them/us against. Another question to ask is was a compelling argument made regardless of whether the argument was in full agreement with your own opinion as a whole.Opie, c'mon man.
You're always spewing your bull about pot.
It's meant for entertainment too, but half these gun nuts are against pot because of all the victims.
When it suits a gun nuts agenda they are all for freedoms & rights. When it doesn't they are are all for regulations & bannings.
It generates post counts & views but hypocrites like Opie make very weak arguments by posting crap like, "I agree with Go Blue"
And this crap passes for POTM material.
We need an NHL mid in here to control thus
Dante1
Where are ya buddy....
They're owning me in here.Comment -
Having a gun does nothing in a situation like this
Lol you not opening fire against them and your not trained too
You will end up killing innocent people instead
You will shake like a leaf and be inaccurate and then your dead when you miss with 10 bullets holes to your fukkin head.
Now take your hunting guns and use them in the woods because that is the only thing your going to use them for
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You may want to do more research if you don't think those happen.Comment -
I'm not sure what kind of training you think is needed to shoot someone in the hopes of survival. Several years ago one of my buddies from high school moved his drug dealing enterprise to Birmingham. Three of them sitting in the front room when two guys kick in the front door with the intentions to either rob or settle a territory dispute or both. My buddy's cousin gets shot in the shoulder and the apartment gets shot the hell up but they returned fire and both intruders left in body bags. No special assassin course needed. What they could have used was more time to get rid of the drugs before the cops got there. All cleared on charges in the shooting for self defense. Two of the three are still in prison on drug charges though.
Having a gun does nothing in a situation like this
Lol you not opening fire against them and your not trained too
You will end up killing innocent people instead
You will shake like a leaf and be inaccurate and then your dead when you miss with 10 bullets holes to your fukkin head.
Now take your hunting guns and use them in the woods because that is the only thing your going to use them for
I can't fathom how you can think that you are better off without a gun. The only guarantee in that situation without a gun is that everyone that they want dead is dead and they are leaving unharmed.Comment -
This is true.
Having a gun does nothing in a situation like this
Lol you not opening fire against them and your not trained too
You will end up killing innocent people instead
You will shake like a leaf and be inaccurate and then your dead when you miss with 10 bullets holes to your fukkin head.
Now take your hunting guns and use them in the woods because that is the only thing your going to use them for
Guns are actually what burglars want to find for their small, valuable and easy to sell...
Their not a deterrent at all really...Comment -
I'm intrigued by your belief that a gun is no use when you are being shot at. What is your plan for survival if you had been in the room in California this week. I'm interested in a non-violent method to subduing radicals who come for the sole purpose of killing you and how this non-violent method is far superior to a method that involves return gunfire that could end the shooting and save the crisis of a manhunt later since there is the possibility that the 2 aggressors have a pretty decent shot of being hit by at least a shot or two of the 10-12 rounds that can be returned by each gun in the room. If you have no defense then they have no reason to leave until they shoot as many as they want or run out of ammo.
Having a gun does nothing in a situation like this
Lol you not opening fire against them and your not trained too
You will end up killing innocent people instead
You will shake like a leaf and be inaccurate and then your dead when you miss with 10 bullets holes to your fukkin head.
Now take your hunting guns and use them in the woods because that is the only thing your going to use them for
Let's do the math. With the dead and wounded count, we can safely assume that there were at least 40 people in that room. Now between my 9mm and a small backup I have about 20 shots. That comes to 800 rounds of possible return fire with 40 people. Let's divide them into groups of 10.
Group 1: all disabled or dead before a return shot can be fired.
Group 2: this group manages to unload half of a 12 round clip while the first group is shot. ( 10 people x 6 shots each = 60 shots)
Group 3: this group empties the 12 rounds of their primary weapon while the first half of the room is shot (10 people x 12 shots = 120 shots)
Group 4: let's assume that these are unarmed women and pansy ass men who are so scared out of their mind that they crap their pants and never u holster their weapon.
I think that these are pretty conservative numbers given that no one fired a round from their backup weapon and half of the group never fired a single shot. In this scenario 180 return shots are fired. With a lousy strike rate of 3% in close range the group as a whole lands 5 or 6 shots so the 2 radicals are wounded or dead. Tell me how your method of no guns to return fire is better than this. Now this is assuming that each person in the room was armed which in my opinion should be the case anyway as even my wife is armed at all times but even if there are a few unarmed idiots in the room I believe that I used very conservative shot counts and strike rate.Comment
