Mass shooting in San Bernardino CA--up to 12 dead so far

[The Kraken]

Alot of Anti America and Anti Government posters on this thread.. A bit unnerving to see..

Name calling also shouldn't drive someone to commit mass murder in regards to the harrassment claims reported.. No excuses for these types of terrorist acts..

Some might argue that it's patriotism that has gotten us in the boat we're in.

And why would it be unnerving to read anti-american sentiment? Are not all Americans given that right by the first amendment?

[MoeSedway]

Paco, have you ever not questioned the authenticity of an atrocity committed by some of your coreligionists?

[teaserpleaser]

Paco, have you ever not questioned the authenticity of an atrocity committed by some of your coreligionists?

pac-man is in denial ....still tripping out that he said these terrorists who are Muslims don't represent Muslims....huh??? Why he can't just say hey we have bad apples in our culture like every other culture I don't know. Instead he makes these weak excuses that I'm not sure what he's getting after like its a false flag? I mean he tried to say they didn't have tactical gear or camo on

[MoneyLineDawg]

False flag crazies would have more credibility if they didn't call false flag or government setup on every single one of these

Pretty good comedy

[pavyracer]

One thing people should avoid at work is argue about religion. Everyone knows at my job that I worship Zeus and they do not argue with me. When was the last time a Zeus worshipper opened fire at a crowd?

[MoneyLineDawg]

Only thing at work I say about religion is that it causes so much violence around the world and that its a bad thing overall

No one can really argue that

[Snowball]

Paco, Grits...
i started to think about this event more and have pulled a 180
from thinking it was a real terrorist attack all the way over to
it being a false flag. i just spent two hours writing this out.
r u ready...

Here are some issues that have come across concerning the San Bernardino attack.
Let it serve as a starting point for questions and further research.

- no skid marks on scene of shot-up black suv despite a chase being described.
- front windshield of suv littered with bullet holes. driver's side window shattered.
rear window blown out. reports say police fired at least 380 rounds and farooks
fired 76 rounds. why is all the damage restricted to windows of the vehicle ?
there are bulletholes all over the windshield, but no damage to the front grille,
or the front headlights. or the hood. they still gleam in perfection !
if the farooks were racing towards police firing rounds, and away from police firing at their rear, then how can there not be skid marks -how can the driver's side and rear driver's side
be blown out in a car chase when one person is driving - where is all the blown out
glass on the ground ? it is nowhere.
- above is all the clear markings of a vehicle that was planted and shot at while sitting.
- purported malik corpse has strange perfectly rectangular red spot on back
- purported malik corpse has lily white skin unlike purported photos of her
- large spot of "blood" on street with no bleeding trails
- purported farook corpse laying in street has legs crossed, face down,
clearly showing an unharmed side of face with nose untouched. nose
is sharp and pointy. skin is very white. corpse is unnecessarily handcuffed.
hair appears long, not like the other photos of farook.
- purported photo of farook alive near housing apartments in summer
is blurry. has pixellated thumb. face is pale white in summer but the
mughot-like photo of farook has dark skin. their chins are also different.
another bearded picture of farook is very dark skinned.
- very gory skull photo of farook's head exploded on ground is destroyed almost beyond
indentifiable. nose completely blown off, not like other photo of him laying down with
nose plainly intact.
- first released (but after 2 days) tashfeen malik alive photo has markings of photoshopped composite. white line left forehead. perfectly aligned sides of face. newly released photo of tashfeen alive (12/5) is another blue-portrait type background.
neither photo has reality in the background. both are blank non-expressive facials. they both
appear fake with today's photo released only as supportive in view of problems with first.
- utah plates on black suv while farooks had no ties to utah.
- ballyhoed video of perps being shot was from a distance, indiscernable, nothing can be seen.
- "syed rizwan farook" mistaken for brother in some reports. brother is syed raheel farook, a decorated navy veteran. strangely, this decorated navy veteran brother who lived nearby has not
made ANY statements to the press. is he even alive ?
- syed raheel's wife, tatiana, also has not appeared anywhere to talk. is she alive ?
- a neighbor says the couple were always fighting recently and police had to go to house
multiple times. why ? was there something disturbing them ? where are they ?
- eyewitness sally abdelmageed, who has an impressive resume on linkedin, was live interviewed by scott pelley on cbs before the farook narrative was established. she was interrupted by pelley at the end when he said out of nowhere that now a female was involved. this was immediately after she described in detail the nature of the assailants. she said there were 3 shooters,
all men, white skin, tall, wearing masks and hats (not Islamic headdress), bearing long guns. none of her description of the event she saw matches any evidence concerning the farooks. tashfeen farook was a 90 lb. woman, not an athletic tall white man.
- cnn reported as unfolding at 12:28 pst "multiple" accounts of 3 men who did the shooting
and escaped in a black suv. yet farooks would use that same black suv hours later to calmly
drive around if they were involved ? no, but if they were patsies, yes. no guns resembling "long rifles" were found in the suv or in the farook home.
- interviewed eyewitness from the party timmy hillard on cbsn says police immediately dragged bodies by arms and legs on the ground out of the building. is that not disruption of crime scene ? why were bodies not respectfully taken out on gurneys by medics instead of brutally dragged out by policemen ?
- phone video of eyewitness nurse dorothy vong shows the time police raided the building. she thought it was "just another" live shooter drill. why would a municipal heath office building have so many live shooter drills that workers came to expect them ?
- eyewitness accounts and live videos from the day, those of which are still available
on you tube have strangely low view counts and lag. in an event of this magnitude wouldn't these
pertinent videos have higher counts than low hundreds of total views ?
- dr kathleen clem of loma linda hospital interviewed on cbs morning news said they were
"set up and prepared" to take 50 victims. the victims came with only a 15-minute notification,
so how does a hospital set up and prepare that quickly unless she meant set-up and prepared
earlier than the event occurred ? she says they set up tents in the parking lot with different colored markers and many level 1 trauma centers. there is no normal municipal hospital like this ready for 50 level 1 trauma patients so immediately. your local hospital does not have 50 tents ready to go and is not today "set up and prepared".
- paul lacroix, whose son was on the SWAT team, was interviewed early on. he was wearing a masonic hat (do not read into this, because he told the truth), being that the SWAT team
was live drilling just minutes away as the shooting occurred. San Bernardino police were "ready to roll" according to their own statements and arrived 2 minutes after the shootings. two minutes.
live drill. swat team ready to roll. what are the chances if the shooting was unconnected ?
- press conferences on 12/2 were strangely constantly delayed. during the longest delay
live on CNN when it was expected the police would show up, they never did. it was over 2 hours
later than pre-announced time of press statements. in-between coverage of media setup
with microphones and podium shows multiple workers outwardly smiling and laughing.
what is so funny ? why are they happy to be waiting so late at night, outside ?
- slow-drip leaks of evidence concerning the house weapons cache. guns not registered
by farooks. media allowed to ransack house and conventiently find carefully placed
ammo and gun lubricant in baby's room. everything in the house should be off-limits
for weeks. everything should be dusted for precious fingerprints and back-traced if
this was a real investigation.
- strange account of night work in garage by multiple men in late hours by anonymous
neighbor who was afraid to stereotype muslims. this account did not materialize until the
terror narrative was in place. yet, police not concerned enough to quarantine the house
to dust for fingerprints or other material evidence of these purported visitors ?
- the real hard drives of farook's computers and smart phones are reported
as smashed/destroyed. 2 days later, the federal agencies say that tashfeen
"pledged allegiance" to an ISIS leader on facebook. all facebook data is actively monitored
by the NSA. this could have easily been fabricated, and without their real hard drives,
no counterpoint can be made.
- family lawyer david chesley refuses to admit culpability of the pair, made case on
live tv that is was highly improbable
- co-worker at party nicholas thalasinos, a messianic jew and stanch supporter of israel,
argued with farook about whether Islam was a peaceful religion or not. according
to thalasinos, farook insisted Islam was peaceful.
- immediate response of CAIR group appeared government-coerced
- every single non-anonymous and plainly interviewed family/friend/coworker/neighbor
of farook is totally shocked and doesn't believe he would have done this
- ISIS has not claimed responsiblity (which they do), neither has any other group
today surfacing, vague radio comments by ISIS did not appear until days after the official claim
of ISIS involvement via deleted facebook activity of tashfeen. they were first reported by
the Times of Israel and ISIS has never claimed involvement via radio before. Radio can
be voice altered, and the audio of this acknowledgement of its supporters in the attack
is not to be found online. perhaps they are working on it in the sound lab.
there is no reason to believe this is anything but planted continuation narrative after the fact.
- possible realities-
much emphasis has been placed on the argument farook had with nicholas thalsinos.
it was vaguely reported live that there was an argument with someone (not farook yet)
who left the building appearing upset and drove off in a black suv. but we do not have
any named eyewitnesses to back this account. zero. we also do not have the name
of the supposed 'tipster' who called police hours after the shooting and spotted the
black suv driving in redlands. if farook and wife committed this crime, they had hours
to escape. why would they use the same vehicle merely 2 miles from the crime scene
if they were capable of planning as purported by the media ? it makes no sense.
more likely, the farooks knew they were targeted as patsies and tried to leave, but
were stopped, that is, if it even was them in the suv, which we have no evidence of.
the 3 tall, military dressed, black masks, athletic muscular whites with long guns
and tons of ammo as described by sally abdelmageed did this crime, planted the
pipe bombs, remote-control car device (conveniently identical to an al-queda magazine article)
and left. hours later the farook narrative gradually was developed, but not until the federal
agencies took over (FBI, ATF, NSA). at that time it was decided that farook would make
a good patsy because he is muslim and had an argument at the party. from there they
framed farook, but due to the mysterious non-appearance of his brother with the same name
and that brother's wife we cannot be sure if both or either are in fact dead.
the casualties appear to be real, real people died, but real perpetrators are not as presented.
- the political left immediately and continuously argues workplace violence route
for gun control laws, while the right argues for security state, invasion of syria,
and islamophobia. either way, an agenda is advanced. president obama strangely
silent and ambiguous on the terrorism narrative. prefers the gun control effort.
he probably doesn't believe the terrorist story or even knows for sure it is fake.
the story gives dems and repubs each what they want.. the workplace violence/
radical religion/secret planner profile, the terrorist profile, the islamophobia,
the we need boots on the ground" clamor, the anti-second amendment, the surveillance, etc.

[opie1988]

Alot of Anti America and Anti Government posters on this thread.. A bit unnerving to see..

Name calling also shouldn't drive someone to commit mass murder in regards to the harrassment claims reported.. No excuses for these types of terrorist acts..

In their defense though, most of the America bashers are roo fukkers. Those poor fukks only have like 3 people per square fukkin mile where they live, so it ain't like they got anything else to do besides hanging out in this thread and talking shit.

[jjgold]

It probably is not 100% terror attack

It just might of been because of that one guy that made the killers snap

[JIBBBY]

Some might argue that it's patriotism that has gotten us in the boat we're in.

And why would it be unnerving to read anti-american sentiment? Are not all Americans given that right by the first amendment?

Bottom line is if you live in this great Country, then you enjoy all it's freedoms, comforts and opportunities it gives you.. Our founding forefathers died for this Country and so are the soldiers of today to maintain the comfort and freedoms that you continue to enjoy..

So it's kind of a slap in the face to real patriot Americans reading in and hearing other Americans bash America like this.. If you don't like America and or it's Government and laws then leave and try another Country.. No one is stopping you.. Let me know how that works out for you?

Otherwise just zip it and show some Gdamn respect to some of the veterans reading in..

[jjgold]

Bottom line is if you live in this great Country, then you enjoy all it's freedoms, comforts and opportunities it gives you.. Our founding forefathers died for this Country and so are the soldiers of today to maintain the comfort and freedoms that you continue to enjoy..

So it's kind of a slap in the face to real patriot Americans reading in and hearing other Americans bash America like this.. If you don't like America and or it's Government and laws then leave and try another Country.. No one is stopping you.. Let me know how that works out for you?

Otherwise just zip it and show some Gdamn respect to some of the veterans reading in..

If we stop wasting money trying help other Countries the USA would be most $$$ solid Country in world

[Snowball]

very few places are truly safe
be careful boys
we are in a new paradigm now.
i hate to even post what i think sometimes.

[teaserpleaser]

If we stop wasting money trying help other Countries the USA would be most $$$ solid Country in world

Understatement of the year .... I never understood it ...people upset over some single mom getting a earned tax credit that she waits all year for to survive for a couple thousand....or the neighbor who gets food stamps. Nobody says jack shit about all the money that got waisted or given away in the Middle East ...a ton of money just throw away "here mr warlord who herds goats and grows some random crop here's 500,000$$ "wtf?? Or all the equipment that went missing on the black market that was all tax payer funds. Nobody says shit about that but vice and a few others.

[JIBBBY]

USA whether you like it or not is the world leader and ultimate peace keeper.. I'd like to see us get away from helping other Countries, and or being dependent on Middle Eastern oil...Focus more on setting things right here in America with our own poverty and on going problems.. Our National debt is alarming as well, China is laughing..

[ACoochy]

In their defense though, most of the America bashers are roo fukkers. Those poor fukks only have like 3 people per square fukkin mile where they live, so it ain't like they got anything else to do besides hanging out in this thread and talking shit.

Think the saddest part of this is teaching a impressionable child that mass murder is a acceptable (and everyday) life outcome but hey to each their own i suppose...

[The Kraken]

Bottom line is if you live in this great Country, then you enjoy all it's freedoms, comforts and opportunities it gives you.. Our founding forefathers died for this Country and so are the soldiers of today to maintain the comfort and freedoms that you continue to enjoy..

So it's kind of a slap in the face to real patriot Americans reading in and hearing other Americans bash America like this.. If you don't like America and or it's Government and laws then leave and try another Country.. No one is stopping you.. Let me know how that works out for you?

Otherwise just zip it and show some Gdamn respect to some of the veterans reading in..

So, you show yourself to be intellectually inferior, which is no surprise

Unable to discuss even a simple concept such as whether or not patriotism is a fallacy

You could learn something but you're much too dense for that

As for the veterans, I don't give a fukk if they're reading this or not. Either they agree that I have the right to voice my opinions or they're hypocrites for signing up to protect my right to do so.

Beyond that, I don't owe any of them anything. They willingly chose to sign that dotted line and go serve. Good for them, some felt called, others wanted the GI bill, etc... They all have their own agenda.

But you're comment JIBBY clearly demonstrates why patriotism is so dangerous. Get over yourself buddy, plenty of countries on this planet enjoy the same freedoms, comforts and opportunities that we do. You're so naive

[The Kraken]

Understatement of the year .... I never understood it ...people upset over some single mom getting a earned tax credit that she waits all year for to survive for a couple thousand....or the neighbor who gets food stamps. Nobody says jack shit about all the money that got waisted or given away in the Middle East ...a ton of money just throw away "here mr warlord who herds goats and grows some random crop here's 500,000$$ "wtf?? Or all the equipment that went missing on the black market that was all tax payer funds. Nobody says shit about that but vice and a few others.

Same republicans that are saying we should care more for OUR OWN homeless people and keep Syrian refugees out, are the same people just months ago were calling for social cuts, including to those same homeless people



Logic Fail

[rkelly110]

Same republicans that are saying we should care more for OUR OWN homeless people and keep Syrian refugees out, are the same people just months ago were calling for social cuts, including to those same homeless people



Logic Fail

Shhh, you weren't suppose to catch that part.

[The Kraken]

I'm sure there's a irrationale,er, I mean rationale on the way

I'm not naive so it wasn't surprising

If anything, it's just a reminder that people that bitch and moan will always find something to bitch and moan about

[ACoochy]

On dec 6, 1865 (ie tomorrow) Georgia ratified the 13th Amendment which ended slavery...

There's always hope that something better can be achieved...

Happy 150th end of slavery Anniversary

[jjgold]

USA whether you like it or not is the world leader and ultimate peace keeper.. I'd like to see us get away from helping other Countries, and or being dependent on Middle Eastern oil...Focus more on setting things right here in America with our own poverty and on going problems.. Our National debt is alarming as well, China is laughing..

Many Countries laughing at us

We are primed for a takeover within 60 years

[The Kraken]

Many Countries laughing at us

We are primed for a takeover within 60 years

Why would anyone want to take over America? We have no resources here and Mexicans to the South. Who in their right mind would want this place

[JIBBBY]

So, you show yourself to be intellectually inferior, which is no surprise

Unable to discuss even a simple concept such as whether or not patriotism is a fallacy

You could learn something but you're much too dense for that

As for the veterans, I don't give a fukk if they're reading this or not. Either they agree that I have the right to voice my opinions or they're hypocrites for signing up to protect my right to do so.

Beyond that, I don't owe any of them anything. They willingly chose to sign that dotted line and go serve. Good for them, some felt called, others wanted the GI bill, etc... They all have their own agenda.

But you're comment JIBBY clearly demonstrates why patriotism is so dangerous. Get over yourself buddy, plenty of countries on this planet enjoy the same freedoms, comforts and opportunities that we do. You're so naive

No need to insult my intelligence as that's just being immature.. Patriotism is something you stand behind especially if your family tree has served in recent wars and if you really know American history.. You appreciate it and not bash it..

Yes many other Countries in this world have the freedoms we enjoy... I've traveled to just about all of them.. China being the exception.. I'm sure you would find fault in them as well..

Don't hate on the Country you live in, instead try to fix it if you think it is broken as that would be more constructive.. That's why we have a voting system and an open system to run for office.. Can write to politicians too which could make a difference...

[recon1]

Went from 3 white males in masks to these 2. Even the shot dead face up with handcuffs ON! Lol. (No military style gear as witnesseds claimed) None of this makes sense. Apartment not shut down for investigation and open to everyone to come destroy lol. Yea everything adds up

Trust me reporters being inside that apartment 24-36 hours after allegedly finding IED's etc. Is beyond comprehension on an investigation level. Thing is this is investigating 101, not sure what to make of this gaffe, but something wrong with that BIG-TIME

[recon1]

lying scumbag paco doing his usual routine



also the guy lying dead had body armor on his back and a holster strapped to his leg you moron. I wish you'd come show me your duty you punk

No doubt suspect was clearly laying in street with fatal wound wearing body armor, but allowing media into suspects apartment was weird saying the least and against protocol of ALL LEO AGENCIES in this country.
Not enough evidence to say any nefarious actions took place other than what we have been told at this point.

[recon1]

Alot of Anti America and Anti Government posters on this thread.. A bit unnerving to see..

Name calling also shouldn't drive someone to commit mass murder in regards to the harrassment claims reported.. No excuses for these types of terrorist acts..

At this point if you can't see who's "Anti-American" you're a fool. All three branches of Federal Government are treasonous as anything i've seen in my rather short lifetime. Grow-up and get head out of ass

[The Kraken]

No need to insult my intelligence as that's just being immature.. Patriotism is something you stand behind especially if your family tree has served in recent wars and if you really know American history.. You appreciate it and not bash it..

Yes many other Countries in this world have the freedoms we enjoy... I've traveled to just about all of them.. China being the exception.. I'm sure you would find fault in them as well..

Don't hate on the Country you live in, instead try to fix it if you think it is broken as that would be more constructive.. That's why we have a voting system and an open system to run for office.. Can write to politicians too which could make a difference...

Please don't be condescending. If you want respect, you show it. Don't tell someone to "zip and show some goddamn respect" because they have a different opinion than yours, and then turn around and expect me not to insult your intelligence. Its a two way street brother

If you want to talk about patriotism, lets have at it. I will have a different opinion than yours as I believe patriotism is to a nation what egotism is to an individual.

I to come from a patriotic family, and I've seen both sides of it objectively, Its not all stars and stripes, its also viewing people from other countries as inferior to Americans. It's viewing every other country as countries that don't provide their citizens with the dame opportunities or freedoms which we have here, which is incorrect. I could go on, and will, if you would like.

Patriotism is not as virtuous as you make it out to be

[ACoochy]

Please don't be condescending. If you want respect, you show it. Don't tell someone to "zip and show some goddamn respect" because they have a different opinion than yours, and then turn around and expect me not to insult your intelligence. Its a two way street brother

If you want to talk about patriotism, lets have at it. I will have a different opinion than yours as I believe patriotism is to a nation what egotism is to an individual.

I to come from a patriotic family, and I've seen both sides of it objectively, Its not all stars and stripes, its also viewing people from other countries as inferior to Americans. It's viewing every other country as countries that don't provide their citizens with the dame opportunities or freedoms which we have here, which is incorrect. I could go on, and will, if you would like.

Patriotism is not as virtuous as you make it out to be

Kraken gets it...

Personally want to crawl into a ball when guys start hammering on about patriotism.

Its very definition serves to divide people ie us v them mentality...

Dont get me wrong, nothing wrong in being proud of your country but there lies a distinct difference between being proud and promoting segregation based on the fact that one persons level of like for their country outweighs another...

Least thats my take...

[opie1988]

Please don't be condescending. If you want respect, you show it. Don't tell someone to "zip and show some goddamn respect" because they have a different opinion than yours, and then turn around and expect me not to insult your intelligence. Its a two way street brother

If you want to talk about patriotism, lets have at it. I will have a different opinion than yours as I believe patriotism is to a nation what egotism is to an individual.

I to come from a patriotic family, and I've seen both sides of it objectively, Its not all stars and stripes, its also viewing people from other countries as inferior to Americans. It's viewing every other country as countries that don't provide their citizens with the dame opportunities or freedoms which we have here, which is incorrect. I could go on, and will, if you would like.

Patriotism is not as virtuous as you make it out to be

Uhhhh....people from other countries are inferior, brah.
Now zip and show some goddam respect!

This thread has turned me into a big Jbibby fan.

Jbibby gets it

[jjgold]

we have no business fighting anywhere but guarding usa

Go fight in Chicago hoods and clean it up

[The Kraken]

Uhhhh....people from other countries are inferior, brah.
Now zip and show some goddam respect!

This thread has turned me into a big Jbibby fan.

Jbibby gets it

How about I unzip it and you show me some godamned respect

[Jayvegas420]

Uhhhh....people from other countries are inferior, brah.
Now zip and show some goddam respect!

This thread has turned me into a big Jbibby fan.

Jbibby gets it

No one gives a shit who you're a fan of


Especially Jibby.

[Jayvegas420]

Brooks......I'd rather be a Muslim than a crackhead



That also goes for fukking.

[opie1988]

No one gives a shit who you're a fan of


Especially Jibby.

Wrong. Jibby just text me.

He, much like myself, feels very strongly that you are a giant Canadian douche.

[JIBBBY]

Please don't be condescending. If you want respect, you show it. Don't tell someone to "zip and show some goddamn respect" because they have a different opinion than yours, and then turn around and expect me not to insult your intelligence. Its a two way street brother

If you want to talk about patriotism, lets have at it. I will have a different opinion than yours as I believe patriotism is to a nation what egotism is to an individual.

I to come from a patriotic family, and I've seen both sides of it objectively, Its not all stars and stripes, its also viewing people from other countries as inferior to Americans. It's viewing every other country as countries that don't provide their citizens with the dame opportunities or freedoms which we have here, which is incorrect. I could go on, and will, if you would like.

Patriotism is not as virtuous as you make it out to be

So backing the Country you grew up in where I personally have enjoyed a great life, living the American dream, owned business and property, family, enjoyed any faith I so chose, etc.. and this doesn't give me the right to be Patriotic and stand behind it? It's a virtue to me and others that served in the military..

If America crumbled today the entire financial world would crumble with it, make no mistake about that..Just look at the stock market crashes.... While our system is flawed in many ways I still believe this is the best Country in the world for financial opportunity, variety of cultures, raw space, free religious beliefs, landscape scenery, education, weather, decently fair law system, and homeland security., etc... Other Countries do have great things to offer up as well.. I could go on and on but I wont.. I'll ask you this - Why do you think the American borders are constantly under attack more then any other Country in the world? The American Dream is still alive pal that's why... You don't know how good you have it until you lose it..

There are other Countries in the world that I find absolutely amazing and filled with rich history and culture.. People are friendly and openly kind as well even to Americans... America is only what 300 years old now and really a baby on the world map, but for some reason this Country sprung into greatness over all others in a very short time with out ruthlessly taking over the world.. We did give the Indians and Mexicans the ruthless boot though which was not cool back in the day.

America isn't so bad fellas trust me.... YES I'M PATRIOTIC!!

God Bless America biiitches!!!