All in on Ronda Rousey Saturday.

[Killer_Demo]

You talk of intelligensia on a gambling forum

Btw, a truly intelligent person is able to get their point across without directing personalizations but thats cool. Just so long as you know you come across as being primarily about style and not substance.

But hey not everyone can be a critical thinker and one day i may even respect your efforts at a payout, or maybe not...

You gotta forgive miri, he is a mouth-breather, he's halfway retarded

[El Nino]

Something seemed off... Rousey was not mentally there, and Holly was absolutely juiced up for this fight. Anyone with half a brain can see how tight and ripped her delts and shoulders were, and her back had definition even superior athletes cannot attain clean. Most people are just happy rousey lost because they hate on her for the success she has had. She's a fighter who doesn't give a fukk about what anyone thinks and people just love to hate on people who are better than them. Jon Jones is another hated fighter, who was hated long before any of his stupidity, simply due to his success. So many fat fukks sit on their asses and analyze other people who they would love to be, but will never be. I give rousey credit simply for getting in the ring regardless of outcome. She wins the rematch.

Holm is 34 years old...no way that's a natural body. I wouldn't be shocked if she gets popped for vitamin T at the minimum some point in her career.

[mirinquads]

You talk of intelligensia on a gambling forum

Btw, a truly intelligent person is able to get their point across without directing personalizations but thats cool. Just so long as you know you come across as being primarily about style and not substance.

But hey not everyone can be a critical thinker and one day i may even respect your efforts at a payout, or maybe not...

The weigh in it self wasn't the problem, all the lead up to it was the problem. Bad press, Boyfriend beating woman, coaches being broke. You could instantly see it in her body language the way she came in trying to be all bad ass and get in her face. You could see she was lacking in confidence right away, the fact that Holm took it all cool, even threw her off by putting down her waterbottle instead of meeting her and meanmugging her. She was stressed out, but had little to do with what happened at the weigh in.

This had little to do with focus, she was just underprepared, and her coach/camp is awful, especially bad at coming up with gameplans, as Ronda has been able to outathlete and out-muscle every person she has fought with ease. Not so here.

No doubt that wasn't Ronda at her best, looked like a bad cut too.. But that doesn't mean she'd be able to beat Holm. Holm was much stronger than her, which was surprising.

[ACoochy]

The weigh in it self wasn't the problem, all the lead up to it was the problem. Bad press, Boyfriend beating woman, coaches being broke. You could instantly see it in her body language the way she came in trying to be all bad ass and get in her face. You could see she was lacking in confidence right away, the fact that Holm took it all cool, even threw her off by putting down her waterbottle instead of meeting her and meanmugging her. She was stressed out, but had little to do with what happened at the weigh in.

This had little to do with focus, she was just underprepared, and her coach/camp is awful, especially bad at coming up with gameplans, as Ronda has been able to outathlete and out-muscle every person she has fought with ease. Not so here.

No doubt that wasn't Ronda at her best, looked like a bad cut too.. But that doesn't mean she'd be able to beat Holm. Holm was much stronger than her, which was surprising.

Solid points...

Holm is 34yo and I for one am very suspect on her physique for this fight. She either has awesome genetics or has taken something she shouldn't have (leaning the latter ala Overeem etc).

I mean she could've been a finalist for her weight class in a Ms Olympia competition, such was the depth and form of her cuts (in particular her back)...

Cant even think of another female in MMA/UFC who's physique comes close to Holly's.

Not taking away from her fantastic performance but im calling it that's something is not right here...

[mirinquads]

Yes I agree with you about that, she looked suspect. It's not like it's that hard to fool the drug tests either, don't believe she was randomly tests according to reports.

Dos Anjos is another guy I will be watching closely at the weigh ins

[indio]

^^ Seems like no one likes Rhonda Rousey period in the entertainment world.. She's getting absolutely no love from anyone.. Lol.. Layla even roasting her calling her overrated... Rhonda not the media darling for sure now..

Layla has got a point though, no pound for pound champion in their prime gets blasted and rudely KO'd like Rhonda just did.. I think she is now gonna be considered just a good fighter and not great fighter as she did get exposed..

George St. Pierre and Lennox Lewis both got knocked out in their "prime" when they held belts, and both are considered great champs. Tyson got beat up and knocked out by Buster Douglas when he was considered unbeatable. It happens. I could name 50 great fighters that got knocked out while they were champs if I wanted to list fighters pre 1970, since they used to fight 8 times a year in the "old days". Rousey got beat up by a great fighter who has skills. Obviously she was overrated, and only time will tell what her "status" will be in a historical context, but saying great champions never get brutally knocked out is just ridiculous. And since Laila Ali ducked fighters like Ann Wolfe, that had the potential to knock her out, the statement coming from her is silly.

[Ghenghis Kahn]

Something seemed off... Rousey was not mentally there, and Holly was absolutely juiced up for this fight. Anyone with half a brain can see how tight and ripped her delts and shoulders were, and her back had definition even superior athletes cannot attain clean. Most people are just happy rousey lost because they hate on her for the success she has had. She's a fighter who doesn't give a fukk about what anyone thinks and people just love to hate on people who are better than them. Jon Jones is another hated fighter, who was hated long before any of his stupidity, simply due to his success. So many fat fukks sit on their asses and analyze other people who they would love to be, but will never be. I give rousey credit simply for getting in the ring regardless of outcome. She wins the rematch.

not sure why you respect ronda so much. let's face it, she's a fukking oyster and not very likable.

having said that, she was born and raised in riverside (hell on earth) and her dad committed suicide when she was 8.

so in that sense, i respect her for finding success instead of becoming a drug addict.

but that doesn't give her the right to be a fukking oyster...

anyway, if she wants to win the rematch, she needs to become less hollywood and find new coaches.

or else, she's gonna get knocked the fukk out again.

and yes, holly holm is probably on some type of peds. no 34 yo woman can be that shredded naturally.

[JIBBBY]

I like Mesha Tate and her wrestling to beat Holly Holm in a future match up..

[BrickJames]

Rpesi9955 im still waiting on my points

[Regul8er]

I'm taking her to win no matter what she is Saturday -1225 to -1800. I've been doing it with her and Mayweather for years and it's work out just fine. This Holly Holm girl looks dangerous but so have the last 6. Big bet says she records another W.

Holy crap man! I really, really hope you didn't lose your house or more here.

[DwightShrute]

Holm is 34 years old...no way that's a natural body. I wouldn't be shocked if she gets popped for vitamin T at the minimum some point in her career.

34 not 54

[BELM0NT]

I like Mesha Tate and her wrestling to beat Holly Holm in a future match up..

Amanda Nunes looked really good in her last fight also, seen her already calling out holms on twitter

[will2survive]

I would love to see a rematch. Ronda's stand up skills will be a major issue due to her lack of reach and Holm is the boxer. However, if Ronda gets Holm in a compromising position, she has a chance to vindicate herself and her legacy. These two will 100% meet again. Ronda can't leave her legacy like this; better to go out fighting.

There is no reason to feel bad for Ronda. She's set financially and has been a great fighter. Maybe she acts like a jerk because of personal issues. Her father killed himself and that alone, makes me feel sorry for her. That kind of shit can eat a person up.

[Kermit]

I would love to see a rematch. Ronda's stand up skills will be a major issue due to her lack of reach and Holm is the boxer. However, if Ronda gets Holm in a compromising position, she has a chance to vindicate herself and her legacy.

When I hear the term "Legacy" used, I think of someone who participated in sports for many years. Rousey has only been competing professionally in MMA for years and has beaten 11 different women.

The only reason why women's MMA is in the UFC is because Rousey had a decent look to her. If she was 6-0 with 6 submissions and she looked like Marla Hooch, Dana White would have never brought women into the UFC.

[ACoochy]

It just sucks that we missed the chance to get such good odds on her this time because they're obviously going to get hammered next time although RR fanbois might help to keep them decent. Especially since two MMA squares like Lou and I had been saying for a week that we wanted to bloody bet on Holly and just never did like the idiots we are. Although I'm still somewhat doubtful that a rematch will ever take place. The more I've gone back to read what the hardcore fans said before the fight and now what everyone else is saying after the fight as they pick it apart, I really don't think Ronda would stand much of a chance even with a brilliant strategy. Even my bestie had said yesterday morning as we were watching the prelims "can't Holly just use some of her kickboxing or boxing skills and crack her in the chops to knock her out?!" It's bad enough with the punches she was landing but when you throw the legs in it's like how is Ronda going to overcome that when she can't do shit other than hope to take her down to the mat and even then Holly escaped it?! Surely if that Armenian dude and the others in her camp care about her they'll tell her to mosey on along to the WWE and make an appearance or two on Total Divas. Actually I've just talked myself into betting KO, TKO if they fight again.

Good points.

The beatdown was vicious and comprehensive, no doubt. Looked like two different classes of fighter out there.

For Holm to have man like strength in getting out of that armbar had me suspect straight away that perhaps she isn't as she seems.

Yeah there's hard work, attitude and perseverance to get to that body shape but dang, show me another female fighter (ie endurance athlete) that has that little body fat with so much muscle to boot? Very much reminded me of Overeem when he was juicing...

If UFC wasn't an endurance sport it would be easier to dismiss her body shape but im calling it that Rousey was unknowingly fighting a unfair fight from the start. Given, RR could've been in better shape going into the fight but what chance do you have if your opponent (in all probability) is not playing the game fairly?

Ps Shari LaTrobe street. 2 weeks time

[JIBBBY]

George St. Pierre and Lennox Lewis both got knocked out in their "prime" when they held belts, and both are considered great champs. Tyson got beat up and knocked out by Buster Douglas when he was considered unbeatable. It happens. I could name 50 great fighters that got knocked out while they were champs if I wanted to list fighters pre 1970, since they used to fight 8 times a year in the "old days". Rousey got beat up by a great fighter who has skills. Obviously she was overrated, and only time will tell what her "status" will be in a historical context, but saying great champions never get brutally knocked out is just ridiculous. And since Laila Ali ducked fighters like Ann Wolfe, that had the potential to knock her out, the statement coming from her is silly.

GSP and Lennox Lewis were flash knockouts, they didn't get beat down like Rhonda Rousey did.. Rousey got her ass handed to her in this fight.. Looked like she wasn't even in the same league as Holly Holm..

[JIBBBY]

Rpesi9955 im still waiting on my points

I hate when people get stiffed on the forum.. If you agree to a bet and lose you should be a man and pay up... If someone doesn't pay up they should be called out for it time and time again.. Let everyone know what a scum bag they are..

Start a thread 9955 is you do get stiffed.. Let it be known that the dude can't be trusted..

I've been stiffed once and the dude left the forum for good like a coward.. It was for 3000 bet points...

[Kermit]

Good points.

If UFC wasn't an endurance sport it would be easier to dismiss her body shape but im calling it that Rousey was unknowingly fighting a unfair fight from the start. Given, RR could've been in better shape going into the fight but what chance do you have if your opponent (in all probability) is not playing the game fairly?

Yeah, because she was outmatched. Holly Holm has looked the same(bodywise) in every fight. This is her against Pennington.



This is Felice Herrig. She is probably as ripped as any woman fighter in the UFC.

[BELM0NT]

How come nobody thought HH was juicing until she beat RR? I dont get it. People still wanna discredit her talent. Anderson Silva wasnt cut and he was on peds. I dont really see HH as that type of person, I could be wrong but Ill leave it to the people doing the drug testing

[JIBBBY]

Amanda Nunes looked really good in her last fight also, seen her already calling out holms on twitter

Amanda Nunes I don't think can take out Holly Holm.. She still needs to earn her shot by climbing the ranks..

I'd still like to see another rematch with Holm and Rousey.. Make sure the Rousey drained look at weigh ins didn't have something to do with this bad loss.. Rousey looked drunk out there fighting and completely gassed out after just one round..

[Mac4Lyfe]

Please stop the bullshit about HH being on roids. She's been working out the last 20 years, teaching kickboxing classes multiple times a week. You do that for over a decade and see how in shape you will get. I have several female friends that also are trainers and a couple became fighters and yes, woman can get that cut without juicing.

I use to live next door to this guy... http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/mike_ryan_interview.htm

He has never, ever juiced and is huge. His ex girlfriend was unbelievably cut. Much more than HH, and it was all natural. It was all hard work.

I hate when people try to discount other people's hard work.

[Ghenghis Kahn]

look at those abs. felice herrig has nothing on holly holm.

i not 100% sure she got that naturally though.

but does it really matter? majority of the fighters are on something.

just because they don't get caught doesn't mean they're clean.

they should just make everything legal and stop the nonsense.

[Ghenghis Kahn]

she says she's natural...

[ACoochy]

she says she's natural...

Anyone who says that is natural and not photoshopped for a 34yo must think that ignorance is bliss...

Ive similar genetics to that and trained for several years for that lool b4 bodybuilding comp so i know whats required in shredding down to minimize bodyfat.

Anyone who says she is natural needs to educate themselves on the physiological differences between the two sexes...

[Ghenghis Kahn]

coochy, settle down. that's not holly holm. that's some female bodybuilder.

i'm just comparing holly's abs to some random bodybuilders abs.

[ACoochy]

look at those abs. felice herrig has nothing on holly holm.

i not 100% sure she got that naturally though.

but does it really matter? majority of the fighters are on something.

just because they don't get caught doesn't mean they're clean.

they should just make everything legal and stop the nonsense.

Also note the squareness of the jawline (that is also coincidentally covered by her hair)...

That suggests some form of juicing either recently or in the past...

[ACoochy]

coochy, settle down. that's not holly holm. that's some female bodybuilder.

i'm just comparing holly's abs to some random bodybuilders abs.

Khan man we cool bro...

Just knocking the guys who think that look is all natural but hey it could he and she could just have one of the best natural genetics of any female ive ever seen.

At this level i highly doubt that though...

[Kermit]

Also note the squareness of the jawline (that is also coincidentally covered by her hair)...

That suggests some form of juicing either recently or in the past...

This is a weigh in picture where she is completely drained. What do you think he natural walk around weight is?

[Ghenghis Kahn]

i think this was when she was younger.

[Kermit]

Khan man we cool bro...

Just knocking the guys who think that look is all natural but hey it could he and she could just have one of the best natural genetics of any female ive ever seen.

At this level i highly doubt that though...

There are tons of athletic women with Holm's physique. I honestly don't see what is so astonishingly bizarre about it.

All these women do is workout and train.

[Mac4Lyfe]

She's barely put on the belt and you're already hating???

There are a lot of woman and men that are cut like that without steroids.

Khan man we cool bro...

Just knocking the guys who think that look is all natural but hey it could he and she could just have one of the best natural genetics of any female ive ever seen.

At this level i highly doubt that though...

[ACoochy]

There are tons of athletic women with Holm's physique. I honestly don't see what is so astonishingly bizarre about it.

All these women do is workout and train.

I hear you frogger but its one thing to devote your life to eating right, working out and training and its another thing to look like the female equivalent of a juiced up Overeem.

As for Silva that had more to do with the recovery process from that fukked up injury, not about filling himself up with excess fluid...

[BELM0NT]

There are tons of athletic women with Holm's physique. I honestly don't see what is so astonishingly bizarre about it.

All these women do is workout and train.

People always looked ripped right after they workout, that's why you always see people taking selfies in the gym or right after working out

[ACoochy]

She's barely put on the belt and you're already hating???

There are a lot of woman and men that are cut like that without steroids.

To be fair i had no idea (or interest for that matter) in who she was pre-fight.

And sure there are alot of people of both sexes who have the ability to look like that if you devote your life to it.

Maybe im wrong here (and i hope that for the sake of the sport that i am) but my intuition from years of being in the bodybuilding game (and all the stuff that goes on behind closed doors that we dont see) tells me otherwise...

Also, having worked so hard to get a shot at the title think about how much she would have to lose. Given that almost anyone would be tempted to find even the most slightest of advantages.

Yeah om cynical but i was in the game foe long enough to know how it goes down the majority of the time...

[Ghenghis Kahn]

This is a weigh in picture where she is completely drained. What do you think he natural walk around weight is?

look at felice herrig's abs and holly holm's abs. no one will accuse felice of juicing. she's shredded but not to a body builder's level.

it's hard to get abs like that unless you're genetically gifted and looking at holly's younger pictures, she's not that genetically gifted.

but like i said, does it really matter? they need to make peds legal since most people are on something.