What Excitement Do You Get Out OF Middling??

[jjgold]

It has to be the most boring bet in the world and have no clue what it accomplishes as most middles are very unrpofitable with little chance of hitting.

I do not get it and all the time guys waste trying to get good middles is simple not worth it.

Finally most books just copy lines now from each other so good middle opportunities are just not there.

[BuddyBear]

Yeah there are a lot of copy lines but there are a lot of off lines.

Middling is a challenge. The only time I middle is if it adds up to 0 cents in the juice. Otherwise, I don't really take much time with it. Of course it's boring because you aren't really risking money....it's guaranteed. But in the off chance it does hit you've made yourself a lot of money w/o risking any. Nothing wrong with that.

[picantel]

JJ is just mad you middled more tonight than he has in his bank account.

[pags11]

just ask buddybear after tonight...I'm sure he got a little rush...and he still made himself some cash...lol...

my thing is, whatever way you can make money, whether it be through hanciapping, middling or both...whatever works...

[tacomax]

Usually the person who dismisses an activity is someone who doesn't understand the activity.

[raiders72001]

Of course it's boring because you aren't really risking money....it's guaranteed.

Buddy- You're mixing up your terms. Middling is not risk free. Scalping is risk free.

[rm18]

Raiders, he's talking about Over 48.5 +111 under 49 -110 type of middles, that is what he plays

[AK]

Rm, more money made then you think expecially when your a bonus whore scalper.

Your also scalping the bonus to one book to cashout.

CHA CHING

[raiders72001]

Raiders, he's talking about Over 48.5 +111 under 49 -110 type of middles, that is what he plays

Nice plays when you can find them especially if you get a key number.

[rookie]

JJ, does it still hold good ?

[mathdotcom]

Coach why don't you middle yourself then?

Over 49.5 +110
Under 48.5 +110

[rookie]

Reverse middling can be too exciting. Spindling is the way for JJ.

[acarmelo1]

I hereby apologize for my ignorance, what exactly is Middling?

[Bill Dozer]

Middling is when you take two different lines and hope the number hits in between. For example, over 193 and under 196 in an NBA basketball game and the score lands on 195. You can also play a side where you push one and hit the other. Example o195 and u196.

The mistake often made is playing the over 193 and then bet under the 196 when the line moves later in the day. Middles are only valuable when you play two lines in the same market and don't middle away an advantageous position.

[brxbmbers42]

Hit my first middle two sundays ago with cubs cardinals sunday night game. took cardinals money line and then took cubs +2.5 rl in game live.

[Dark Horse]

JJ, there is no excitement. It's just a mathematical approach. If there is excitement it is in the last minutes of the game, when you realize that your middle could hit. Of course, there is nothing boring about winning two for the price of none.

[jjgold]

Good Middles are harder and harder to find because most books just copy lines from each other regardless of money being bet

Most strict middlers are businessman and not gamblers

They do not like risk and live their lives scared

[MonkeyF0cker]

Why is this in the Think Tank?

[CrimsonQueen]

I don't think it has anything to do with "living their lives scared" Sure you don't win a lot of the time, but when you do... you win a lot.

It's stupid to ever rule out any edge you can gain against the books.

[Dirty Sanchez]

If it's two chicks...lots

[u21c3f6]

Hit my first middle two sundays ago with cubs cardinals sunday night game. took cardinals money line and then took cubs +2.5 rl in game live.

This is a way to not only profit from the game but to also reap greater rewards if your middle hits. It is all in the application.

Joe.

[u21c3f6]

I don't think it has anything to do with "living their lives scared" Sure you don't win a lot of the time, but when you do... you win a lot.

It's stupid to ever rule out any edge you can gain against the books.

+1

I don't think I'm scared. I am always looking for wagers that based on %'s will maximize my reward with a minimum of risk. And when asked, my reply is always: yes, I gamble, but I am not a gambler!

Joe.

[Bill Dozer]

You'll lose your ass on vig if you don't get good prices. For example, if you buy regular priced points to create middle opportunity you'll lose faster than flipping a coin betting straights.

For middlers it is very exciting but lot of the excitement comes in finding the good prices in real time, same as a scalper.

[dwaechte]

Agree with rookie JJ, I think you'd love reverse middling. Put it all on the line and it can get fvcking tense.

[u21c3f6]

You'll lose your ass on vig if you don't get good prices. For example, if you buy regular priced points to create middle opportunity you'll lose faster than flipping a coin betting straights.

For middlers it is very exciting but lot of the excitement comes in finding the good prices in real time, same as a scalper.

I very rarely middle both sides prior to the game. The lines would have to move more than they usually do for me to do that.

My success comes from taking the other side in game live. Prior to the game I take the side that I assess will have the early advantage and close the hedge in game. More often than not I am correct in my assessment of which side has the early advantage and I close my hedge not only with a guaranteed profit but with the additonal opportunity of hitting the "middle" (which may be two wins or one win and one push) for a much larger profit. The other times when my assessment is incorrect, I hedge for a guaranteed "loss" but again with the additional opportunity to hit a middle which turns the "loss" into a sizable win. The interesting thing is that I hit more middles when I have hedged for a guaranteed "loss" than when I hedge for a guaranteed win.

It is all in the set-up.

Joe.

[acarmelo1]

Middling is when you take two different lines and hope the number hits in between. For example, over 193 and under 196 in an NBA basketball game and the score lands on 195. You can also play a side where you push one and hit the other. Example o195 and u196.

The mistake often made is playing the over 193 and then bet under the 196 when the line moves later in the day. Middles are only valuable when you play two lines in the same market and don't middle away an advantageous position.

Thanks for the info Mr. Dozer

[Dark Horse]

I like middles. From time to time.

[Yankeeclipper22]

It has to be the most boring bet in the world and have no clue what it accomplishes as most middles are very unrpofitable with little chance of hitting.

I do not get it and all the time guys waste trying to get good middles is simple not worth it.

Finally most books just copy lines now from each other so good middle opportunities are just not there.

I try not to bet with emotion. I try to bet with my head. Like that commercial. Haha, yeah.

[Bill Dozer]

Thanks for the info Mr. Dozer

Youre welcome. It's fun but a lot of work. Much harder to do these days with less books contributed to the market.

[mathdotcom]

Don't understand people talking about middling in terms of preferences. It's just a question of EV, and most people middle too much. Usually it involves betting a square line and a sharp line. Just bet the square line and that's it.

[Nicky Santoro]

if you think middling is boring.. TRY SCALPING..........

it's more fun to watch paint dry. .. if you put 500$ on -102 and 500$ on +104.. you have to hope dog wins.. and if they do, you make 10$.. or you can guarantee yourself 5$ no matter who wins by putting 505 on the fav -102..

so have fun watching 3.5 hrs of a game to win 5$..

so you have to put up 1,010$ to make 5$..

at least in middling, you can clear 1,000$ if it lands.. (500 each side)..

scalping, you can only make 5$ on a scalp like this..

[jjgold]

They key to scalping is having lots and lots of bets

You might have to make over 40 plays per day to make a living and it takes 16 hrs a day to do this

PASS

[Nicky Santoro]

jj, with today's offshore, you cannot make a living scalping.. pinny, cris, oly, matchy.. you won't find many scalps, and if you do, you will make pennies. not worth it. there are still some books out there that give you scalping opporutnities like BetOnline, etc.. but it not worth it. you need 300k offshore.. and for those 3 cent scalps, jsut not worth it to tie up that much money.

jj, i swear to GOD... about 7 yrs ago, a person could have made 10k-13k/week.. EASILYYYYYYYYYYYYYY.. scalping..

there were shady books like APEX, NAB, who used to take 10k a game in bases on a 10 cent line and not move their lines..i'd have 14 cent scalps for 10k each side.. and if i asked for 5k more, no problem...and they'd give me 35% cash bonus after bonus after bonus.. it was sick.....i got stiffed by both, but i expected it.. but those were the days my friend..

today, scalping is a waste of time..a complete waste of time.

[tonyhomo]

Agree with posters who thibk its a waste of time

[That Foreign Guy]

I'm seeing scalpable lines dry up faster than ever so someone clearly thinks it isn't a waste of time.