That was the worst play call in the history of the NFL

[convick]

I dont give a fukk if I have this guy back there. Im running it 3 times inside the 2.

[tony_come]

We won!

[SteveKerrsJunk]

Joe Montana would've handed the football to Marshawn even if he had f***ing Mini Me covering Jerry Rice 1 on 1!!!!!!

[tony_come]

Wise guys are not happy

[fitguy67]

only coaching gaffe of similar magnitude to compete with this was Pops refusing to foul to protect the 2012-13 NBA championship that was being wheeled out to him with a 5-point lead and 35 seconds to go...because it "wasn't his style"...that "exciting comeback by the Heat" always seemed orchestrated to me...and for taking one for the league, the Spurs were penciled in for the following year...

i do bet team sports...but you gotta bet it the same way--especially in the playoffs--that you would bet WWE...with entertainment/marketing "story arcs" in mind...you know "good guys", "bad guys", controversies and injustices...all designed to keep us on the hook for one more crack at the elusive "fair and square" result

[SteveKerrsJunk]

only coaching gaffe of similar magnitude to compete with this was Pops refusing to foul to protect the 2012-13 NBA championship that was being wheeled out to him with a 5-point lead and 35 seconds to go...because it "wasn't his style"...that "exciting comeback by the Heat" always seemed orchestrated to me...and for taking one for the league, the Spurs were penciled in for the following year

Wow never thought about the Spurs thing, that is pretty ridiculous. Assuming you can match FTs from there on out why not foul til its over?

[jtoler]

Wonder how that fight got started, were Hawks trying to get Pats penalized since they screwed up on the offsides or just jaw jacking going on. Nobody knew Hawks OC before this, I sure didnt, now he's the news of the week.

[gregm]

only coaching gaffe of similar magnitude to compete with this was Pops refusing to foul to protect the 2012-13 NBA championship that was being wheeled out to him with a 5-point lead and 35 seconds to go...because it "wasn't his style"...that "exciting comeback by the Heat" always seemed orchestrated to me...and for taking one for the league, the Spurs were penciled in for the following year

That was a incredibly bad decision definitely but there is no way can anyone compare Popovich to pete carroll and this decision. Popovich is one of the great coaches of all time who was just too set in his ways that game, carroll is a gum chewing college coach who got lucky one year but has the most talented defense in football. Throwing into traffic on the one yard line on second and one with the best goal line running back in football in the backfield and a time out in hand will have to rank as one of the worst coaching decisions in any big game.

[thetrinity]

none of these reporters asked belicheck why he didnt call a timeout with 59 seconds left, even brady said they left it up to the defense

[TommyDog]

Okay, to be fair.... Everyone is suggesting that Seattle "had three shots to run it in with Lynch from the one." In reality, they only had one or two shots to score on a running play. There were 25 seconds left and they had one timeout. If they run it and get stuffed, they call a timeout. Now you have about 18 seconds left, it's third down, and you're out of timeouts. Gotta throw in that situation, because you can't afford to run and be faced with a running clock. You MIGHT get off a final play, but it's going to be in hurry-up mode and that could create a nightmare.

So, Seattle could have run it on second down. No score, they call the final TO, pass on third down, and on an incompletion they would have the option to throw or pass on fourth down.

That being said, yes, it was a very odd call all things considered.

Just pointing out that they truly didn't have three chances to run it in from that point.

[jtoler]

Okay, to be fair.... Everyone is suggesting that Seattle "had three shots to run it in with Lynch from the one." In reality, they only had one or two shots to score on a running play. There were 25 seconds left and they had one timeout. If they run it and get stuffed, they call a timeout. Now you have about 18 seconds left, it's third down, and you're out of timeouts. Gotta throw in that situation, because you can't afford to run and be faced with a running clock. You MIGHT get off a final play, but it's going to be in hurry-up mode and that could create a nightmare.

So, Seattle could have run it on second down. No score, they call the final TO, pass on third down, and on an incompletion they would have the option to throw or pass on fourth down.

That being said, yes, it was a very odd call all things considered.

Just pointing out that they truly didn't have three chances to run it in from that point.

He wouldnt get stopped thats the thing, also Carroll said the pass was to waste a play, but thats not true either, wasting a play would be like a fade, they were trying to score and in the middle of the field, so many times in that situation the ball is tipped and an int happens, just a bad call, he said the pass was to waste a play and they would run on 3rd down and 4th down, so that time strategy would have been even worse.

[fitguy67]

Wow never thought about the Spurs thing, that is pretty ridiculous. Assuming you can match FTs from there on out why not foul til its over?

yeah, i never understood how the media let Pops off the hook so easily for that...outright threw the trophy away cuz it was supposed to be Lebron's b2b ring year...gotta pay attention to the "story arcs" like that

[frugalgambler]

well i saw Wilson on post game he said "they" called the play..... whoever "THEY" is....
the truth is that passing plays are common in the NFL even at the goal line now, you
see dozens every week and I cringe every time they are called because I also am old school
where anywhere inside the 5 you run the ball.. but that's changed.
Also nobody is saying this but Wilson could have tucked in the ball and just ran, dove, or
threw it away instead of throwing it - and Butler jumped on it at just the exact right time.

Dude, you are forgetting that most teams do not have Lynch. Wilson is not Aaron Rodgers/Brady/Flacco. He is still a young QB whose best asset is mobility. Anyway, I am here to vent so Carroll should go f.ck himself. Kudos to Brady for the comeback, but f.ck Carroll and Hawks.

[smitch124]

Why didn't pats call a timeout when Lynch ran to the one yard line? He bet it all on his defense and was bailed out by the crappiest of play calls

Yes Bellicheck got bailed out big time. He definitely should've called a timeout before that play. He's sooooo lucky, he would've been vilified not giving Brady a chance to get the tying FG.

[SteveKerrsJunk]

Okay, to be fair.... Everyone is suggesting that Seattle "had three shots to run it in with Lynch from the one." In reality, they only had one or two shots to score on a running play. There were 25 seconds left and they had one timeout. If they run it and get stuffed, they call a timeout. Now you have about 18 seconds left, it's third down, and you're out of timeouts. Gotta throw in that situation, because you can't afford to run and be faced with a running clock. You MIGHT get off a final play, but it's going to be in hurry-up mode and that could create a nightmare.

So, Seattle could have run it on second down. No score, they call the final TO, pass on third down, and on an incompletion they would have the option to throw or pass on fourth down.

That being said, yes, it was a very odd call all things considered.

Just pointing out that they truly didn't have three chances to run it in from that point.

Since when does a run from the 1 yard line take 7 seconds lol. And I believe there were 28-29 seconds which is a huge difference in that spot. Run 1 fails and takes 3-4 seconds, takes 10 seconds to line up, you line up, run the ball, takes 3-4 seconds, TO and you still have 3-5 seconds for the last run attempt. Sorry bub, these are professionals, they can lineup up pretty quickly when they essentially don't have to move from their previous spot.

[KVB]

Wise guys are not happy

[d2bets]

Okay, to be fair.... Everyone is suggesting that Seattle "had three shots to run it in with Lynch from the one." In reality, they only had one or two shots to score on a running play. There were 25 seconds left and they had one timeout. If they run it and get stuffed, they call a timeout. Now you have about 18 seconds left, it's third down, and you're out of timeouts. Gotta throw in that situation, because you can't afford to run and be faced with a running clock. You MIGHT get off a final play, but it's going to be in hurry-up mode and that could create a nightmare.

So, Seattle could have run it on second down. No score, they call the final TO, pass on third down, and on an incompletion they would have the option to throw or pass on fourth down.

That being said, yes, it was a very odd call all things considered.

Just pointing out that they truly didn't have three chances to run it in from that point.

That's why a fake handoff play action rollout would have been perfect call. I bet Wilson could have done that and walked in. But he has the option if it's covered to just throw it out of the endzone. Virtual no risk play and saves the TO.

[KVB]

i heard it...P.T. Barnum/VinceMcMahon model applied to the whole "entertainment" industry...always leave'em pissed off about something such as how the "ref didn't see the folding chair"...or the wrong play was called...or...

it's why basketball and football have become "legal proceedings with specialized equipment"...always some sort of orchestrated "officiating injustice" or "miracle comeback" or "a bad coaching decision" or to leave half of us pissed, the other half exhilerated...until next time...rinse/lather/repeat

Correctly combining this formula with a disciplined handicapping program taking into account money flow and market analysis can make one a deadly handicapper.

There could be hope for some on this forum yet.

[fitguy67]

That was a incredibly bad decision definitely but there is no way can anyone compare Popovich to pete carroll and this decision. Popovich is one of the great coaches of all time who was just too set in his ways that game, carroll is a gum chewing college coach who got lucky one year but has the most talented defense in football. Throwing into traffic on the one yard line on second and one with the best goal line running back in football in the backfield and a time out in hand will have to rank as one of the worst coaching decisions in any big game.

agreed, today's debacle was "off the charts" dumb-assery...

Pop's stubbornness in blowing that g6 was super-frustrating at the time, but pales in comparison to today (and in comparison to his key role in several other Spurs' championships)

[ThaTopMoron]

Situation and time.

No play will ever come close.

HOW DO YOU TAKE THE BALL OUT OF LYNCH'S HANDS THERE?

ARE YOU KIDDING ME?

1 yd from taking lead

just 20 seconds left in gm

you have best goaline RB in NFL

he had just dragged guys to the 1-yd line previous play

2nd down & you have 2 timeouts left

yep, worst by far

the pass by Wilson was also high to WR... should have been thrown low to be extra-safe as it was only 2nd down... a vet would have thrown it low

fuk Seattle

[thetrinity]

Yes Bellicheck got bailed out big time. He definitely should've called a timeout before that play. He's sooooo lucky, he would've been vilified not giving Brady a chance to get the tying FG.

exactly, i cant believe this is being ignored, massive 2nd guessing was coming in this one either way

[fitguy67]

Correctly combining this formula with a disciplined handicapping program taking into account money flow and market analysis can make one a deadly handicapper.

There could be hope for some on this forum yet.

we're 100% on the same page

i do bet team sports...but you gotta bet it the same way--especially in the playoffs--that you would bet WWE...with entertainment/marketing "story arcs" in mind...you know "good guys", "bad guys", controversies and injustices...all designed to keep us on the hook for one more crack at the elusive "fair and square" result...whether it be next game or next season

[seaborneq]

Goal line offense at its worse. Teams don't even get under center anymore inside the 5 yard line. Same bullshit happened in the Rose Bowl. 4 and 1 and FSU is in the shotgun. The mentality is awful. What do these teams practice during the week for red zone runs. Trickeration 101 manuals must be handed out at all owners meeting to give to the coaches. It makes absolutely no sense to hike the ball 5-7 backwards when you ONLY need 1 freaking yard. It happened to FSU and it happened to Seahawks. Get the qb under center and let the offensive line fireout and beat their men one on one. Hell, run a qb sneak. The mentality of the play is the most sickening, not the execution.

[ThaTopMoron]

Nothing wrong with the call; the defense was looking for Lynch. If Wilson throws the ball in the right place (low, where only the WR can catch it) they either score or have Lynch twice more from one yard out.

this guy saw it... pass wasn't even thrown correctly

[picopico101]

I did bet Seattle.

[jtoler]

Goal line offense at its worse. Teams don't even get under center anymore inside the 5 yard line. Same bullshit happened in the Rose Bowl. 4 and 1 and FSU is in the shotgun. The mentality is awful. What do these teams practice during the week for red zone runs. Trickeration 101 manuals must be handed out at all owners meeting to give to the coaches. It makes absolutely no sense to hike the ball 5-7 backwards when you ONLY need 1 freaking yard. It happened to FSU and it happened to Seahawks. Get the qb under center and let the offensive line fireout and beat their men one on one. Hell, run a qb sneak. The mentality of the play is the most sickening, not the execution.

Not gonna lie I do get sick of teams passing inside the 5 so much and in shotgun, old days it was run the ball and no doubt on the 1.

[Wrigley]

Butler read it all the way, why not fake to Lynch and roll out if you really want to pass?

[thetrinity]

bevell the OC who will live in infamy said that he wanted to kill the whole clock i guess taking a 3 point lead with less than 30 seconds left in the super bowl wasnt that important

[frugalgambler]

Nice picture. Wilson looks like a midget there, throwing an essentially 50-50 ball over the trees.

[sweethook]

even with this very bad call hes a play calling god ..if beside play calling les miles

[seaborneq]

Not gonna lie I do get sick of teams passing inside the 5 so much and in shotgun, old days it was run the ball and no doubt on the 1.

That is a mentality. That is the worst part of it. The offensive lives for the ONLY damn time in a game they have an advantage on the defensive line. The offensive line has all of the advantages on the one yard line. They know the snap count, who they are going to block, whether they are going to fire out or cut, and they get to be the aggressors instead of backpedaling and read and react. The only plays you don't have to practice. Just maul and drive through the ball.

[jtoler]

When in doubt, pass. Smh.

[smitch124]

Just as painful as Niners throwing nothing but fades when 1st and goal v. Ravens.

[Ghenghis Kahn]

Butler read it all the way, why not fake to Lynch and roll out if you really want to pass?

hind sight is 20/20 but if they were gonna pass the should've cut to the outside instead of a slant, much less risk.

[officepoolguy]

Lynch had 22 carries out of 24 for positive yards and NE is the 28th worst defense against stopping teams for zero of no yards. Made no sense. How many times did Wilson run on a read option all game? ZERO. They played to lose that game just like the Packers.