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  • JohnGalt2341
    SBR Hall of Famer
    • 12-31-09
    • 9125

    #1
    Question for those of you that use a Local.
    Do most Locals use a website these days or do you still have to phone in your plays? Also, where do Locals get their lines from?
  • downsouth
    SBR Posting Legend
    • 01-13-11
    • 11580

    #2
    I know a handful and they all use pph sites.
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    • TheMoneyShot
      BARRELED IN @ SBR!
      • 02-14-07
      • 28690

      #3
      My buddy in the Detroit area has a local. The local insists on his clients placing wagers via internet. I thought that was very odd...

      He's been doing it for 3 years now. Some locals have BIG NADS. Why would they want to be traceable? I heard the website looks something similar to sportsbook.ag

      I wouldn't try it.

      As for the lines... I believe it's the locals choice. I've heard Pinny lines... and sportsbook.ag lines.
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      • unusialsusp5
        SBR MVP
        • 04-18-10
        • 4199

        #4
        some allow customers to text them their plays. how they get the lines is anyone's guess. no one is going to sit at a phone in an office and do it anymore. you'd have to be there all day on weekends and they do not want to do that anymore and never will again.
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        • thunderous
          SBR MVP
          • 06-05-12
          • 1870

          #5
          Originally posted by TheMoneyShot
          My buddy in the Detroit area has a local. The local insists on his clients placing wagers via internet. I thought that was very odd...

          He's been doing it for 3 years now. Some locals have BIG NADS. Why would they want to be traceable? I heard the website looks something similar to sportsbook.ag

          I wouldn't try it.

          As for the lines... I believe it's the locals choice. I've heard Pinny lines... and sportsbook.ag lines.

          There is nothing odd in it....it is like any other business that is outsourced good for the bottom line and specially in this business because operating it in Detroit or NY is illegal! And nothing is traceable...its like he has no hand in it. He just logs on the same site where he can get the end of week numbers and then collects/pays to the customers on settlement day.
          The websites are based in CR and yes you are correct they are pinny lines and I am pretty sure it is their brainchild to offer this services to locals throughout the country.

          And why do you say you woundn't try it? I love it and there is no reason in the world for me to go to offshores and have issues with deposits and withdrawals (or worry about betislands fiasco)....although playing on credit is not for everyone so one has to be careful but otherwise it is so much better. I settle with my guy on Tuesday for previous week Monday thru Sunday, no waiting for an international check and then wait for it to clear. Not to mention I get better customer service....any time there is dispute it goes in my favor because I am the customer!! unlike at offshores where what they say is final.
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          • big joe 1212
            SBR Posting Legend
            • 06-01-08
            • 19380

            #6
            One of my guys uses scoresandodds.com. He lets me text him my plays with the current line. The other one I use has me place them on the internet with a sportsbook. He pays a monthly fee to the book.

            Can't find any old school guys where you call and place the bets anymore. Wish I could find one but those days are over. Sure would be nice to take advantage of moving lines.
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            • a4u2fear
              SBR Hall of Famer
              • 01-29-10
              • 8147

              #7
              Mine texts lines. Only can make plays 1 hr before games
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              • hankcream
                SBR MVP
                • 06-30-10
                • 2049

                #8
                The locals by me would use Sporting Insights & Donbest for gametime odds but if you wanted to play a parlay they would go back to opening lines .
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                • DOM_Toretto
                  Restricted User
                  • 01-28-13
                  • 9035

                  #9
                  My Detroit local uses a website. The website only tracks, we still pay only in cash face-to-face. Lines are very similar to bovada with the occasional local game skew (Tigers, Lions, Spartans, Wolverines). I've noticed his futures are whack as fukk. So I definitely shop when I place futures.
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                  • mpaschal34
                    SBR Posting Legend
                    • 02-04-13
                    • 12087

                    #10
                    Running a website makes me think back to the movie Casino when that KC Boss kept a ledger of all the activities. Not very wise.
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                    • jjgold
                      SBR Aristocracy
                      • 07-20-05
                      • 388208

                      #11
                      I am pretty sure the Internet sites that locals use also have Costa Rican call centers
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                      • thunderous
                        SBR MVP
                        • 06-05-12
                        • 1870

                        #12
                        Originally posted by jjgold
                        I am pretty sure the Internet sites that locals use also have Costa Rican call centers
                        Yes they do but it is run by the guys who operate the website...at least that's how my local is set up. $15 per username per week and the website provides everything from lines to customer service but they won't do everything like for example just today by mistake I placed N. Ill ML instead of spread and call the 800 number but they wouldn't cancel my bet...had to call my local and he got it cancelled.
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                        • stevenash
                          Moderator
                          • 01-17-11
                          • 66109

                          #13
                          I used to work for an office, but that was before texting was the rage. 90 percent of the action was phoned in.
                          Local here in Fairfield County 'Buzzy' has been booking bets for 40 years, he's adapted to texts, he monitors lines and action via internet, will not take internet action (like bets via e-mail etc) text or phone only when wagerng.
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                          • boomer62
                            SBR MVP
                            • 09-10-11
                            • 1500

                            #14
                            Yes, action taken off shore, with all the fixins of an offshore book. Just no CC and complete anonymity and NO FUKING deposits and withdrawal bullshit!! And line of credit..
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                            • TheMoneyShot
                              BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                              • 02-14-07
                              • 28690

                              #15
                              Originally posted by TheMoneyShot
                              My buddy in the Detroit area has a local. The local insists on his clients placing wagers via internet. I thought that was very odd...
                              There's a couple of technicalities that in my mind... would be considered borderline when making a wager via the internet. I've never heard of anyone who got in trouble who was the "client" placing a wager via the internet "offshore." But on the other hand... it clearly states... in the Federal guidelines... in the USA it's illegal to place wagers one on one placing and receiving in all state lines besides Nevada. So my take is... if your local is in Detroit... and you're in Detroit... they can bust you for it because technically the wager is being placed inside state lines... not "offshore". That's why I would never use a local through the internet.
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                              • thetrinity
                                SBR Posting Legend
                                • 01-25-11
                                • 22444

                                #16
                                any local not online is a bum and not worth it
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                                • Harry N. Lloyd
                                  SBR MVP
                                  • 03-26-08
                                  • 4810

                                  #17
                                  My guy is old school. Still has a call-in line. Also has an internet option but you lose out on a lot of advantages.......buying the hook is more expensive (I only buy it on and off 3 or 7 in football, nowhere else), can't create open parlays and teasers, and the juice almost always favors one side over another. The downside is limited hours and busy signals.
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                                  • thunderous
                                    SBR MVP
                                    • 06-05-12
                                    • 1870

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by TheMoneyShot
                                    There's a couple of technicalities that in my mind... would be considered borderline when making a wager via the internet. I've never heard of anyone who got in trouble who was the "client" placing a wager via the internet "offshore." But on the other hand... it clearly states... in the Federal guidelines... in the USA it's illegal to place wagers one on one placing and receiving in all state lines besides Nevada. So my take is... if your local is in Detroit... and you're in Detroit... they can bust you for it because technically the wager is being placed inside state lines... not "offshore". That's why I would never use a local through the internet.

                                    That is because feds aren't interested in busting players...doesn't matter if you wager at a "offshore" or at "local" (which btw are in the same destination) it is still illegal. You really think you are not breaking any law by placing a wager online at an offshore book?
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                                    • artyfudgepacker
                                      SBR MVP
                                      • 01-06-13
                                      • 2205

                                      #19
                                      my local does text and phone .he pastup at a bar from 5 to 630 mon /fri
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                                      • stevenash
                                        Moderator
                                        • 01-17-11
                                        • 66109

                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by thetrinity
                                        any local not online is a bum and not worth it
                                        Why?
                                        Why is an old school, 40 year veteran bookie, who prefers not to take wagers online a bum?

                                        If I have been dealing with a local for 20 years that never stiffed me in those 20 years, how exactly does that make him a bum?

                                        Can't wait for the response.
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                                        • thunderous
                                          SBR MVP
                                          • 06-05-12
                                          • 1870

                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by stevenash
                                          Why?
                                          Why is an old school, 40 year veteran bookie, who prefers not to take wagers online a bum?

                                          If I have been dealing with a local for 20 years that never stiffed me in those 20 years, how exactly does that make him a bum?

                                          Can't wait for the response.
                                          Its like asking if I am used to a typewriter why would I need a computer to type letters.

                                          From your perspective it might be good you have a 40 year veteran who takes wagers in person or over the phone because you can maybe exploit the soft lines or something but if you are in the booking business then its a no brainer to have a pph service for your clients. So many advantages...they monitor line movements for the bookie, take games off the board if there is something fishy (until it settles), no overheads for hiring accountants to keep track of amounts, no need of a safe real estate to run the business, no disputes over wagers with clients.... you can't go back and say hey I told you LA lakers not LA Clippers.

                                          Too many advantages to go to a pph services rather than doing it all yourself....outsourcing is good for any business not just IT.
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                                          • TheMoneyShot
                                            BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                            • 02-14-07
                                            • 28690

                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by thunderous
                                            That is because feds aren't interested in busting players...doesn't matter if you wager at a "offshore" or at "local" (which btw are in the same destination) it is still illegal. You really think you are not breaking any law by placing a wager online at an offshore book?
                                            I remember Bill Dozer did a write up about this a year or so ago. Or was it Justin7? It was one of the 2... and placing a wager via through the internet offshore isn't illegal... according to their thread.
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                                            • kidcudi92
                                              SBR Posting Legend
                                              • 12-14-11
                                              • 15437

                                              #23
                                              I text a middle man and he puts plays in
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                                              • stevenash
                                                Moderator
                                                • 01-17-11
                                                • 66109

                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by thunderous
                                                Its like asking if I am used to a typewriter why would I need a computer to type letters.

                                                From your perspective it might be good you have a 40 year veteran who takes wagers in person or over the phone because you can maybe exploit the soft lines or something but if you are in the booking business then its a no brainer to have a pph service for your clients. So many advantages...they monitor line movements for the bookie, take games off the board if there is something fishy (until it settles), no overheads for hiring accountants to keep track of amounts, no need of a safe real estate to run the business, no disputes over wagers with clients.... you can't go back and say hey I told you LA lakers not LA Clippers.

                                                Too many advantages to go to a pph services rather than doing it all yourself....outsourcing is good for any business not just IT.
                                                Reread post 13.
                                                He uses real time line tracking software, he has entered the space age, he won't take wagers over the internet is what post 13 is saying.
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