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  • stevenash
    Moderator
    • 01-17-11
    • 65708

    #1
    Can a Major League Baseball team win a World Series without......
    A dominant, lights out, slam the door closer?

    For reasons unknown, this thought popped into my head earlier when I was watching the early game.
    (what makes Mo so unbelievable is looking at recent history, the shelf life for elite closers is not even four years)

    Yankees won all those rings with Mo.
    Last year Boston with Koji, Sox won the other two with Papps
    Giants won with Wilson, (Romo was big help) Wilson was lights out for 2 years, now look at him.
    Brad Lidge might be an exception in '07
    Percival was lights out for the Angels.
    Even Jenks with the White Sox

    The only exceptions I can think of is the '01 Snakes with Kim, and the Marlins with maybe, with Looper
  • freeVICK
    SBR Hall of Famer
    • 01-21-08
    • 7114

    #2
    Need a pen that's for sure
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    • LT Profits
      SBR Aristocracy
      • 10-27-06
      • 90963

      #3
      It is POSSIBLE but very difficult.
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      • BigDofBA
        SBR Posting Legend
        • 09-30-09
        • 19313

        #4
        I think the bullpen as a whole is more important than 1 closer.
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        • jose21_us
          SBR MVP
          • 05-24-10
          • 3844

          #5
          I believe Ugeth Urbina was the closer for the marlins. They traded Adrian Gonzalez for him...
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          • Big Bear
            SBR Aristocracy
            • 11-01-11
            • 43253

            #6
            Originally posted by BigDofBA
            I think the bullpen as a whole is more important than 1 closer.
            this. The A's found that out the hard way last October but they added depth in the off season.
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            • thechaoz
              SBR Posting Legend
              • 10-23-09
              • 12154

              #7
              Bull pen is key
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              • daneblazer
                BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                • 09-14-08
                • 27861

                #8
                All the more reason why Nathan is going to either get it together or get demoted.

                Of course the rest of the bullpen is important but it all starts with the closer. Shorten the game. Everyone else knows their role. You can't have the closer shit the bed more than once in the playoffs and come away a winner.
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                • laclippers504
                  SBR MVP
                  • 08-21-06
                  • 4553

                  #9
                  Originally posted by daneblazer
                  All the more reason why Nathan is going to either get it together or get demoted.

                  Of course the rest of the bullpen is important but it all starts with the closer. Shorten the game. Everyone else knows their role. You can't have the closer shit the bed more than once in the playoffs and come away a winner.

                  You could send Koji, street, or whoever else has been solid this season and they would probably stink on the Tigers.
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                  • BennyBigNuts
                    SBR Hall of Famer
                    • 04-16-12
                    • 8700

                    #10
                    Overall bullpens trump just about everything when it comes to playoff atmospheres.
                    The Royals are a great play to win it all.
                    Best pen in MLB.
                    Nothing but fkn beasts in there.
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                    • Monitor-Tan
                      SBR MVP
                      • 02-20-11
                      • 4460

                      #11
                      Do you mean just the world series the series, or playing through the regular season and winning it?

                      If so, I COULD BE WRONG, but Byung Hyun Kim from the Dbacks AS A CLOSER had pretty good record and stats, except for that back to back blown games on WS.
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                      • stevenash
                        Moderator
                        • 01-17-11
                        • 65708

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Monitor-Tan
                        Do you mean just the world series the series, or playing through the regular season and winning it?

                        If so, I COULD BE WRONG, but Byung Hyun Kim from the Dbacks AS A CLOSER had pretty good record and stats, except for that back to back blown games on WS.
                        Overall, and Kim wasn't really a good closer.
                        Coughed up those two taters like you said, had a 3 ERA that season, walked 44 in 98 batters, (bad) and gave up 10 homers (real bad)
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                        • easyliving
                          SBR Hall of Famer
                          • 06-25-12
                          • 8876

                          #13
                          The Braves are due to eventually win 1
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                          • daneblazer
                            BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                            • 09-14-08
                            • 27861

                            #14
                            Kim was a horse in 2001-02. Even Looper had a few good years.

                            The Braves had one of the best pens ever a few years ago, then injuries struck and they were done
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                            • stevenash
                              Moderator
                              • 01-17-11
                              • 65708

                              #15
                              Originally posted by daneblazer
                              Kim was a horse in 2001-02.
                              In the sense he worked 100 relief (almost)innings, yes.
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                              • oneguy
                                SBR MVP
                                • 01-14-13
                                • 1063

                                #16
                                Originally posted by BigDofBA
                                I think the bullpen as a whole is more important than 1 closer.
                                Totally agree 1000%
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                                • pavyracer
                                  SBR Aristocracy
                                  • 04-12-07
                                  • 82840

                                  #17
                                  Dominant starting pitching makes dominant closer not necessary needed.
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                                  • OckertCR
                                    SBR Wise Guy
                                    • 06-22-14
                                    • 641

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by easyliving
                                    The Braves are due to eventually win 1
                                    City is cursed.
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                                    • krk1030
                                      SBR Posting Legend
                                      • 08-13-08
                                      • 17610

                                      #19
                                      No. But that doesnt mean you need a big name going into the year. Dominant closers come and go out of nowhere from year to year.
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                                      • stealthyburrito
                                        SBR Posting Legend
                                        • 05-12-09
                                        • 21562

                                        #20
                                        wainwright in '06

                                        I think he was a rookie/recent call up that year.

                                        cards pen was blasted with injury and he stepped in and was dominant.
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                                        • stevenash
                                          Moderator
                                          • 01-17-11
                                          • 65708

                                          #21
                                          ^
                                          and the rest is history
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