Anyone have the juevos to fade Kershaw tonight?

[stevenash]

This is a list of all the no-hitters thrown this decade (2010-2014) and how they did their very next start.
19 of them all told
Combined record of the pitchers is 8 wins 10 losses and one no decision

You can get +150 on Danny Duffy tonight.
Just saying

Next start after their no hitter start

Pitcher	IP	Hits	Walks	ER	Decision	No-No Pitches	Next Game Pitches
Ubaldo Jimenez	7.1	5	2	0	Win	128	121
Dallas Braden	8	7	1	4	Loss	109	98
Roy Halladay	7	10	1	2	Win	115	108
Edwin Jackson	5	7	3	4	Win	149	88
Matt Garza	7	5	1	4	Loss	120	109
Roy Halladay*	7	8	0	4	Loss	104	105
Francisco Liriano	3	3	3	4	Loss	123	59
Justin Verlander	8	2	3	1	Win	108	105
Ervin Santana	9	8	2	1	Win	105	121
Philip Humber	5	8	3	9	Loss	96	115
Jered Weaver	6	3	2	1	Win	121	89
Johan Santana	5	7	1	6	Loss	134	86
Matt Cain	5	6	4	3	Win	125	100
Felix Hernandez	7.2	7	1	1	Win	113	105
Homer Bailey	4	4	0	0	ND	115	70
Homer Bailey	5.2	10	3	4	Loss	109	103
Tim Lincecum	3.2	8	1	8	Loss	148	78
Henderson Alvarez	3	7	2	3	Loss	99	56
Josh Beckett	5	5	1	2	Loss	128	88
	5.77	6.32	1.79	3.21		118.37	94.95

[Ted Sheckler]

May ride him all in once lineups come out

[LT Profits]

There are a couple of differences with Kershaw though. First of all, the guy always seems to have no-hit stuff every start, so in this case the no-no really was not that much of an aberration from what he normally does, unlike a lot of guys that pitched the game of their lives in some no-nos in the past, making a "bounce" outing next time out inevitable. Also, Kershaw only threw 107 pitches, so it was not as if the Dodgers allowed him to go longer than usual to make sure he gets it.

In other words, I don't the the old blind "fade after a no-hitter" rule should apply here.

[LT Profits]

May ride him all in once lineups come out

ROYALS is out.

1. Lorenzo Cain (R) CF
2. Eric Hosmer (L) 1B
3. Billy Butler (R) DH
4. Alex Gordon (L) LF
5. Salvador Perez (R) C
6. Omar Infante (R) 2B
7. Danny Valencia (R) 3B
8. Justin Maxwell (R) RF
9. Alcides Escobar (R) SS

Still waiting on Dodgers

[James Marques]

I will not even touch a game Kershaw is pitching in. Won't eat all that chalk and sure as sh*t won't bet against the man.

[Geoff Herest]

bet online opened him -159 yesterday and it went down to -132 in like 15 minutes. tells you something. Haren is a dog tomorrow against Shields. wouldn't be surprised to see royals sweep.

[Ted Sheckler]

Sitting this one out. Wanted to go all in. Won't even bet them to win a unit.

[LT Profits]

bet online opened him -159 yesterday and it went down to -132 in like 15 minutes. tells you something. Haren is a dog tomorrow against Shields. wouldn't be surprised to see royals sweep.

Don't be fooled by BOL openers, those are weak openers. Notice how the went from -155 to -135 as soon as CRIS opened. CRIS openers (usually) are the REAL openers, that clock starts then for anyone tracking line movement.

[teaserpleaser]

Under 7

[LT Profits]

Under 7

I'm not a Duffy believer

[OMGRandyJackson]

ROYALS is out.

1. Lorenzo Cain (R) CF
2. Eric Hosmer (L) 1B
3. Billy Butler (R) DH
4. Alex Gordon (L) LF
5. Salvador Perez (R) C
6. Omar Infante (R) 2B
7. Danny Valencia (R) 3B
8. Justin Maxwell (R) RF
9. Alcides Escobar (R) SS

Still waiting on Dodgers

Here ya go:

3B: Justin Turner
LF Matt Kemp
DH Yasiel Puig
1B Adrian Gonzalez
CF Scott Van Slyke
C AJ Ellis
RF Jamie Romak
SS Carlos Truinfel
2B Miguel Rojas

[stevenash]

No Dodger pitcher has won their next start after pitching a no hitter since 1964

*disclaimer*
Just throwing it out there for some later afternoon chit-chat, I am not advocation fading Kershaw of suggesting a play either way

DODGERS IN START IMMEDIATELY FOLLOWING NO-HITTER^
Pitcher	Date	Opp	Days Rest	Dec	IP	H	R	ER	BB	K
Sandy Koufax	6/8/1964	Cin	3	W	9	4	1	1	0	5
Sandy Koufax	########	@Chi	4	L	6	5	2	1	0	3
Bill Singer	########	@NY	3		9	5	1	1	3	7
Jerry Reuss	7/1/1980	SD	3	L	7	4	4	0	3	3
Fernando Valenzuela	7/4/1990	Chi	4	L	7	10	5	4	1	2
Kevin Gross	########	Chi	4	ND	8	6	3	3	1	6
Ramon Martinez	########	Hou	4	ND	7	9	5	0	1	5
Hideo Nomo	########	@SD	4	L	5	7	3	3	3	3
Josh Beckett	########	Pit	4	L	5	5	2	2	1	5

[stevenash]

I'm not a Duffy believer

DATE	OPPONENT	RESULT	IP	H	R	ER	BB	SO	Pit	Dec.	ERA
19-Jun	@ DET	L 1-2	7	3	2	2	1	5	101	L(4-6)	2.8
14-Jun	@ CHW	W 9-1	7	5	0	0	1	9	98	W(4-5)	2.83
7-Jun	vs NYY	W 8-4	5.2	5	3	3	3	4	100	--	3.26
2-Jun	@ STL	W 6-0	6	1	0	0	1	5	85	W(3-5)	3.05

[teaserpleaser]

I'm not a Duffy believer

Dodgers don't exactly hit Left handlers very well somebody like Duffy could throw some zeros up there if only game was at dodger stadium be a no brainer..he should be able to handle that dodger lineup

[TheLock]

There are a couple of differences with Kershaw though. First of all, the guy always seems to have no-hit stuff every start, so in this case the no-no really was not that much of an aberration from what he normally does, unlike a lot of guys that pitched the game of their lives in some no-nos in the past, making a "bounce" outing next time out inevitable. Also, Kershaw only threw 107 pitches, so it was not as if the Dodgers allowed him to go longer than usual to make sure he gets it.

In other words, I don't the the old blind "fade after a no-hitter" rule should apply here.

Excellent post, LT.

I seriously considered the Royals tonight and if I was on a side here it would be KC but it was ultimately a no play for me.

On Rockies and Astros instead.

[jjgold]

pass

guy is too tough

[farmhouse1]

I like the astros too. Feel like the braves never show up for games like this and the young lineup for the astrso can have a field day on harang.

Excellent post, LT.

I seriously considered the Royals tonight and if I was on a side here it would be KC but it was ultimately a no play for me.

On Rockies and Astros instead.

[stevenash]

I like the astros too. Feel like the braves never show up for games like this and the young lineup for the astrso can have a field day on harang.

Two things about the 'Stros
a) They are the AL leaders in strikeouts, but Harang is not a prototypical strike out guy.
b) They are loaded with kids with raw power, lots of it.

Expect one of two things to happen.
a) Harang throws a gem, 9 K gem.
b) Harang coughs up 3 taters, doesn't make it to the 5th.

No in betweens here

*remember now*
Feldman is not a dazzler, and you got mashers in that Brave lineup too.
J Upton, Freeman, have you seen what Gattis has been doing to rawhides lately?
Heyward ain't an easy out either

Do you want your money on Feldman to get four guys out three times?

3. Freeman
4. Gattis
5. Heyward
6. J. Upton

p.s. the number 7 guy did hit .321 last season

Where's the easy out there?
Remember, Feldman is near rock bottom in K - ratio.
His command had better be spot on, those are big boy sticks in the Brave lineup

[R.P. McMurphy]

Lean Kc but like the under better. You get 2 lefties 1 of whom is mlb best arm facing squads in interleague that have never faced them. Also a very friendly UN head ump tonight behind the dish. Gl

[Tony Williams]

Where do you guys get these official lineups, as they are released?

[Tony Williams]

Also what is CRIS? Tried looking it up and couldn't find anything relevant to it and line movements

[LT Profits]

Where do you guys get these official lineups, as they are released?

http://www.baseballpress.com/lineups

[stevenash]

^

http://www.rotowire.com/baseball/daily_lineups.htm

tons of sites like that

[STAX]

Kansas City -2.5 (+460)

[LT Profits]

Also what is CRIS? Tried looking it up and couldn't find anything relevant to it and line movements

Bookmaker for USA customers. I consider the real openers the ones at CRIS and Pinnacle, and CRIS (Bookmaker) is almost always first these days.

[Tony Williams]

Right on- thanks!

[BennyBigNuts]

and you got mashers in that Brave lineup too.
J Upton, Freeman, have you seen what Gattis has been doing to rawhides lately?
Heyward ain't an easy out either

Don't know which one is funnier.
You're losing it Nasher.

[stevenash]

Don't know which one is funnier.
You're losing it Nasher.

Is this some lame attempt to try and discredit me pal.

Braves are 4th in the NL in homeruns hit.

Gattis has 16 HR's
Freeman 14
Upton 12

I call that mashing when it's still weeks before the break. Ummm yeah.

Heyward while only hitting .256 has drawn 34 walks making the OBA over .340 well above league average
Yeah, he's not an easy out.

Thanks for dropping by slick, next time, bring something to the table or go home jackass

[Big Bear]

I'm not a Duffy believer

what does the guy have to do to get some respect?

he's been lights out this year.

[Amadeo-Picks]

The list is pretty obvs. Take out the record and look at the true aces after their no hitter. They have all won .

[R.P. McMurphy]

Yeah gotta ride with Benny hear the Bravos are full of limp dikks who hardly ever deliver and their offense is pretty bad. More bark than bite with those "mashers"!

[LT Profits]

what does the guy have to do to get some respect?

he's been lights out this year.

Hardly. He has a blah ratio of 6.93 strikeouts vs. 3.39 walks per nine innings and he has greatly benefited from an abnormal .213 BABIP. His FIP is decent at 3.89, but that is still more than a full run higher then his 2.80 ERA, and his xFIP blows at 4.56. He'll come back to earth soon.

[stevenash]

^
He is what he is.
A capable #3 starter

[R.P. McMurphy]

Btw Nash I wasn't calling you out I respect you and always have enjoyed your writeups. To be more clear on what I was getting at. The Bravos may have the dinger #'s but they don't translate into much as some may think. Much like the Yanks past couple years or so most are solo blasts which do minimal damage. As a team tho they are mid pack slg %, near the bottom in runs scored, batting avg, on base %. So when you look at the big picture there offense is nothing special at all.

[stevenash]

Btw Nash I wasn't calling you out I respect you and always have enjoyed your writeups. To be more clear on what I was getting at. The Bravos may have the dinger #'s but they don't translate into much as some may think. Much like the Yanks past couple years or so most are solo blasts which do minimal damage. As a team tho they are mid pack slg %, near the bottom in runs scored, batting avg, on base %. So when you look at the big picture there offense is nothing special at all.

And the Braves are often not clutch, I get that, and I get what you are saying too, my point is, and was, and it's simple, Braves lineup features four hitters that are capable of hitting a ball out at any time. And that included Heyward, who has 111 homers in less than 4.5 seasons. I mean he already has a 30 homer season

All good, peace.