Daniel Murphy debate- Mets fans, am I the only one who sees he's overrated??

[BennyBigNuts]

I'm listening to ppl tell me this guy is an all-star and I am just dying with laughter from it.

Now any posters who just jerk off to fantasy and don't actually WATCH this guy play- their opinions aren't going to mean much. Because the truth is, his numbers on paper are not bad.

But am I the only one who sees what a defensive liability this guy is?
He is by far THE WORST 2b in MLB defensively.
I don't care what his fielding % is.
%'s don't mean shit because it doesn't evaluate the guy's range really.
He is just terrible out there.
He can't field, has ZERO range, panics, makes the wrong decision every time, cannot turn a double play cleanly with pressure, drops popups.
I mean the catastrophe's I have seen with him on the field have been just bush league with him.
His glove alone has already cost the Mets 4 to 5 wins this year, and we are only what 70 games in?
That is pretty fkn huge.

He is awful running the bases, although his stolen base % is probably very good.
It doesn't show how many times this guy has killed a rally fukkin up on the base paths.

He just has ZERO game sense.

He was a disaster at 1b, a disaster in the outfield, and he's an even worse disaster at a more important position being second base now.

Every time the ball is hit to him you have to hold your breath.

Offensively, he's way overrated.
He has no power, average speed, rarely walks, awful slugging %, he's basically a solid singles hitter with occasional gap-pop.
Career .290 hitter, which is good. But what else does this guy offer other than a single? I just don't see it.

Is this guy really going to get a BIG contract next year?
I can't see giving this guy more than 5-8 million per year.
I am guessing he's going to get WAY more.
Probably in the 10-13 mill a year range??

I am just praying it's not the Mets who give it to him.
It is just a bust waiting to happen.
They already gave a joke of a contract to Granderson AKA Jason Bay Jr.
And let's not forget chris young lol.
Jesus it's like they jut try to lose and put a team of shitbags out there.



METS FANS CHECK THE FK IN.

DO YOU WANT MURPHY ON A LONG TERM CONTRACT AFTER THIS YEAR?

[You mad bro]

hes a pussy

[BennyBigNuts]

hes a pussy

That's deep bro.

[You mad bro]

That's deep bro.

dude im up for 40 straight hours

i dont know what im even saying

hes probably a black belt in karate or some shit for all i know .. all i know is the mets suck

[Cuse0323]

The Mets will continue to be the Mets and give the guy a big contract. I agree, he's nothing special. Surprised his numbers are so high really, guy never does shit when I happen to watch since I watch the lesser of two evils, the Mets over the Yanks.

[konck]

He plays on a team that cant hit ...he was 2nd in the league in the NL last year he currently is tied for 1st in hits this year in the NL/

How do you see him as over rated lol Your a Daniel Murpjy hater for what ever reason but its wrong
If this guy doesnt make over 12 mill a yr next contract ill have you blow a dead horse...relax your safe he will get paid from a smart
team it wont be the stupid ass Mets They want washed out stains
I mean being a Mets fan I watch this guy hit day after day thats it he just keeps on chunging in a bad line up Imagine if you stick his bat on a hitters team
The guy your trying to write about is a Met but his name is LUCAS DUDA no glove cant run and hits 230

[jjgold]

well considering most MLB players bat 230 or so he is not overrated based on that

[Bluehorseshoe]

He plays on a team that cant hit ...he was 2nd in the league in the NL last year he currently is tied for 1st in hits this year in the NL/

How do you see him as over rated lol Your a Daniel Murpjy hater for what ever reason but its wrong
If this guy doesnt make over 12 mill a yr next contract ill have you blow a dead horse...relax your safe he will get paid from a smart
team it wont be the stupid ass Mets They want washed out stains
I mean being a Mets fan I watch this guy hit day after day thats it he just keeps on chunging in a bad line up Imagine if you stick his bat on a hitters team
The guy your trying to write about is a Met but his name is LUCAS DUDA no glove cant run and hits 230

Exactly. He's in a shitty line up and he puts up the numbers he puts up. The signing of C. Young instead of Nelson Cruz right now is huge!!! Imagine what that would have done to the whole line up??

Benny.....Go to ESPN and compare Murphy's stats to other second baseman in baseball. He has better numbers than Pedroia, Phillips and Kinsler right now.

[SamDiamond]

Benny.....who are you comparing him to?

Murphys has the second highest WAR among NL 2nd basemen.

Murphy leads the NL among 2nd basemen in runs scored.

He leads the NL in walks among 2nd baseman.

Murphy is 2nd in stolen bases in the NL among 2nd baseman.

Murphy has the 3rd highest batting average of NL 2nd basemen.

He is 3rd in RBI among 2nd basemen in the NL.

And you said he's a singles hitter with little pop?, yet he is 3rd among NL 2nd Basemen in Slugging.

As for defense....

His RdTot is 3rd in the NL behind Brandon Phillips and Dee Gordon

If that is underrated, I can name 12 teams that would love to have him.

[face]

he does cost them games, i know what benny is saying, but he can hit so no one cares
one time it was a double play he didn't turn bc he ran at the runner instead of shuffling ball off to second baseman
another time he bobbled an easy ball, sometimes he throws it wildly
always at the end of a one run game, i know what benny's talking about

[pavyracer]

Can someone name a single current Met player who is not overrated?

[Bluehorseshoe]

he does cost them games, i know what benny is saying, but he can hit so no one cares
one time it was a double play he didn't turn bc he ran at the runner instead of shuffling ball off to second baseman
another time he bobbled an easy ball, sometimes he throws it wildly
always at the end of a one run game, i know what benny's talking about

I agree he has done some brain dead stuff on the field, but what is the alternative?? They don't hit already so you have to play him.

He's a guy without a natural position. Reminds me a little of Dave Magadan in the 90's.

[SamDiamond]

I'm guessing the guys here who can spot and identify every Murphy mistake are Mets fans.

Guess what.

I can roll out fans of every single team who can do the same.... I am a Reds fan... I can with little effort tell you how many times Brandon Phillips failed to move a runner, made a bone headed throw, or made a base running mistake.

Same for Phillie fans and Chase Utley....

Murphy is a good baseball player. Is he worth 12-13 million.... hell no, but I dont think he'll get that either.

I'm guessing he'll get a deal in the 9-10.5 per range.

[ChalkyDog]

He is an all-star.

No idea if he is worth some ridic long term deal. Nobody really is.

[Bostongambler]

Only cuz he plays in NY is why we even know his name.

[SteveKerrsJunk]

Murphy has been incredibly underrated for fantasy purposes the last two seasons. I don't watch real baseball though.

[konck]

OP got blasted for his lack of MLB knowledge here nice try
Also nice mush Murph just popped a 3 run dinger

Murph was a way below avg fielder then Tueful moved him deep it makes up for his lack of range nicely he became an avg fielder
When the Mets release this guy there will be a stampede for his bat

[Cappinpicks]

Niese dogged to a shit rookie and the turd fish

[SamDiamond]

That is kind of funny.... the day a thread is posted where we debate Daniel Murphy...

He just hits a 3 run bomb and now Murphy moves over .300 too.

[Cappinpicks]

That is kind of funny.... the day a thread is posted where we debate Daniel Murphy...

He just hits a 3 run bomb and now Murphy moves over .300 too.

who is up at 5:30 AM bitching about an allstar anyway?

[SamDiamond]

who is up at 5:30 AM bitching about an allstar anyway?

Well, I guess Benny.

Maybe it was a long night....

[BennyBigNuts]

Benny.....who are you comparing him to?

Murphys has the second highest WAR among NL 2nd basemen.

Murphy leads the NL among 2nd basemen in runs scored.

He leads the NL in walks among 2nd baseman.

Murphy is 2nd in stolen bases in the NL among 2nd baseman.

Murphy has the 3rd highest batting average of NL 2nd basemen.

He is 3rd in RBI among 2nd basemen in the NL.

And you said he's a singles hitter with little pop?, yet he is 3rd among NL 2nd Basemen in Slugging.

As for defense....

His RdTot is 3rd in the NL behind Brandon Phillips and Dee Gordon

If that is underrated, I can name 12 teams that would love to have him.

Like I said, there are ppl who will look at his numbers, and ppl who actually WATCH this guy play.
You are obviously not one who's watched him much.

[BennyBigNuts]

OP got blasted for his lack of MLB knowledge here nice try
Also nice mush Murph just popped a 3 run dinger

Murph was a way below avg fielder then Tueful moved him deep it makes up for his lack of range nicely he became an avg fielder
When the Mets release this guy there will be a stampede for his bat

LOL lack of knowledge get real.
The only ppl who chimed in were the fantasy jerkoffs like I said in the original post.
I never argued his numbers. He's a good singles hitter. Big deal.

You should READ

Anyone who watches this guy play everyday can understand it I'm sure.

[konck]

LOL lack of knowledge get real.
The only ppl who chimed in were the fantasy jerkoffs like I said in the original post.
I never argued his numbers. He's a good singles hitter. Big deal.

You should READ

Anyone who watches this guy play everyday can understand it I'm sure.

Give up you got buried here
One thing for sure Mets Brass dont want to sign this guy when you have the same
Opinion as they do you are on the wrong end of the gun

[jay89]

what about david wright?

[SamDiamond]

Like I said, there are ppl who will look at his numbers, and ppl who actually WATCH this guy play.
You are obviously not one who's watched him much.

Okay, Benny.

Fine. Name me 5 National League 2nd Basemen that you would take over Murphy.

[BennyBigNuts]

Give up you got buried here
One thing for sure Mets Brass dont want to sign this guy when you have the same
Opinion as they do you are on the wrong end of the gun

They won't want to sign him because they know he is nothing.
What good is an awful slugging %, who hits 80% singles and is a horrible fielder??
If you hit 80% singles you better be able to steal 40-50 bases a year.
Like I said, 5 mill a year.

[konck]

They won't want to sign him because they know he is nothing.
What good is an awful slugging %, who hits 80% singles and is a horrible fielder??
If you hit 80% singles you better be able to steal 40-50 bases a year.
Like I said, 5 mill a year.

They knowLike they knew C Young was worth 7 mill ....like they KNEW Granderbay was worth 60 mill
If the mets didnt want to sign me I would consider it a plus for my career

[BennyBigNuts]

Okay, Benny.

Fine. Name me 5 National League 2nd Basemen that you would take over Murphy.

The NL is weaker for 2b, everyone know this already. Being a top 5 2b in the NL doesn't require much.
I'd still take Phillips, Gordon, Utley, walker, and Even Aaron hill over him.

[konck]

Bottom line here is Murphy isn't part of the problem for the Mets

[SamDiamond]

The NL is weaker for 2b, everyone know this already. Being a top 5 2b in the NL doesn't require much.
I'd still take Phillips, Gordon, Utley, walker, and Even Aaron hill over him.

C'mon on man.

Aaron Hill? Are you serious? Hill is a .250 hitter....he has a negative WAR. NEGATIVE.

And forget fantasy stats.... Murphy beats Phillips/Hill/Walker/Gordon in just about every offensive category.....with a few exceptions.....Walker's 11 HRs.

Of the 5 guys you listed...

Here are their HR totals...

Murphy 6
Hill 6
Phillips 5
Utley 5
Gordon 2
Walker 11

WAR?

Hill is negative.
Murphy is at 1.7
Walker is at .9
Phillips is at .9
Gordon is at 1.5
Utley.. is the only one that tops Murphy at 2.4

Doubles?

Murphy has more than Hill (16), Gordon (11), and Walker (8).

As for defense.....

Murphy has a better rTotD than Hill, Walker, and Utley.

Murphy has more extra base hits (25) than Gordon (21), Phillips (24), Walker (19), and Hill (24).

[Simon Gruber]

He's not overrated. The OP is a crack smoking clown who believes that Jenry Meijia will be a future Cy Young winner. If there's a good market for him you move him though. The Mets will have to overpay to keep him and you can't afford another overpaid player with Wright at 3rd.

[Cuse0323]

Yeah Benny, you lost me at Aaron Hill. That bum is complete trash.

[TheMetsSuck]

He's ok. Good avg lotta doubles. Prob 2 Nd best player

[will2survive]

OP: You must be crazy. Murph is a gamer and the best Met this season. He not a great player, but a good baseball player and that's all that teams need to win.