SBR Sharps Fund: Should we run another?

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  • Jackie Blue
    SBR High Roller
    • 01-01-14
    • 150

    #1
    SBR Sharps Fund: Should we run another?
    Cast your vote & leave any comments in the suggestion box.

    55
    Yes, run another
    0%
    47
    No
    0%
    5
    Who cares!?!??!
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  • minet123
    SBR Posting Legend
    • 02-17-07
    • 10280

    #2
    Yes
    BUT
    you have to do the weekly update videos in a bikini
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    • jjgold
      SBR Aristocracy
      • 07-20-05
      • 388179

      #3
      yeh but wrong guys capping
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      • newguy
        SBR Hall of Famer
        • 12-27-09
        • 6100

        #4
        Need to have more picks per week to encourage more stock price fluctuations. Would love to see rule where bets need to be locked in 12 hours before game time. Would allow a lot more people to fade/follow however they saw fit. Either way definitely run another one.
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        • newguy
          SBR Hall of Famer
          • 12-27-09
          • 6100

          #5
          Originally posted by jjgold
          yeh but wrong guys capping
          Doubling share price meant wrong guys??
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          • a4u2fear
            SBR Hall of Famer
            • 01-29-10
            • 8147

            #6
            First one never got my interest
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            • Chi_archie
              SBR Aristocracy
              • 07-22-08
              • 63172

              #7
              yes

              and for a twist if it isn't too hard to track, let the buyers personalize their portfolio and pick how much of a % 0-25-50-75-100

              they want from each manager

              for instance using the last one, maybe I buy a fund that is broken down between 50% yisman and 50% Themonyshot and 0% for the other 2.


              or maybe I want 25% across the board for 4

              or put all my eggs in my Yisman Basket ect
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              • nvrlose37
                SBR MVP
                • 06-01-12
                • 2730

                #8
                Dividends/splits would be a good addition
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                • Optional
                  Administrator
                  • 06-10-10
                  • 61735

                  #9
                  More picks per week.

                  A single thread showing every pick and it's result so that people can follow along whats happening and maybe talk about it more.

                  And do it like a punters club... a panel of 6 or 8 cappers. Two bet at a time. Winning bet = bet again. Loser = pass baton to the next guy in line.

                  I'd also make a simple stock ticker to promote it across the site, showing last sale price and movement.
                  .
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                  • Optional
                    Administrator
                    • 06-10-10
                    • 61735

                    #10
                    Maybe give the top capper a prize and shiny badge at the end too.
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                    • Dirty Sanchez
                      SBR Posting Legend
                      • 03-01-10
                      • 16031

                      #11
                      Originally posted by minet123
                      Yes
                      BUT
                      you have to do the weekly update videos in a bikini
                      They do television shows about guys like you on MSNBC on weekends...creepy
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                      • jose21_us
                        SBR MVP
                        • 05-24-10
                        • 3844

                        #12
                        Not really sure what you are talking about...
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                        • eidolon
                          SBR Hall of Famer
                          • 01-02-08
                          • 9531

                          #13
                          Yisman at the head
                          I would trust my wife with him on a bet in Vegas
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                          • TheMoneyShot
                            BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                            • 02-14-07
                            • 28672

                            #14
                            It will be interesting to see what SBR elects to do in this situation. There are many numerous scenarios to consider.

                            The main question of this thread is... should SBR do another one? There are numerous variables to this equation.

                            1. My personal belief is... what if you don't find a group of quality managers like Yisman, trytrytry, and RM18. I'm theoretically speaking. Is the point of the fund to gain consistently... to benefit all SBR posters to MAKE MORE BETPOINTS? Or... will the next set of managers lose points?

                            2. Is the point to the Fund to constantly fluctuate? Meaning... more trading per day? Like a true stock market? Or... solid steady growth?

                            3. Not trying to step on SBR's toes... but the managers deserve a hell of a lot more compensation if you want "true gains" and "true growth". Whoever was in charge of setting this original fund up... had no clue of the time and effort to calculate the best possible 2 correct plays a week. No SBR poster wants to lose their investment. You don't want them to lose... then pay the managers well with betpoints.

                            So, as you clearly see... there are a variety of different ways the next fund could be set up. You can lose your ass. You can have the market fluctuate crazy each week. Or... you can have the fund produce like this past fund did. Personally, I'm not trying to sound cocky... but I'd like to see the next group of managers out perform Yisman, trytrytry, and RM18... I really don't think the next set of managers will. I'd wager on it. Everyone had a unique wagering pattern... and everyone balanced each other out. All great chemistry.
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                            • eidolon
                              SBR Hall of Famer
                              • 01-02-08
                              • 9531

                              #15
                              Originally posted by TheMoneyShot
                              It will be interesting to see what SBR elects to do in this situation. There are many numerous scenarios to consider.

                              The main question of this thread is... should SBR do another one? There are numerous variables to this equation...

                              the managers deserve a hell of a lot more compensation if you want "true gains" and "true growth". Whoever was in charge of setting this original fund up... had no clue of the time and effort to calculate the best possible 2 correct plays a week....... .
                              Very true.
                              Maybe something more along the lines of real life hedge funds: a base pay plus % of gains. 1500 points plus 10% gain? or something of that sort
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                              • roundcake
                                SBR Hustler
                                • 09-02-07
                                • 93

                                #16
                                yes please do another.. dont care about rules as long as it makes me points again thx
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                                • JAKEPEAVY21
                                  BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                  • 03-11-11
                                  • 29317

                                  #17
                                  yes, another would be cool..daily updates would be nice..
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                                  • BennyBigNuts
                                    SBR Hall of Famer
                                    • 04-16-12
                                    • 8700

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by minet123
                                    Yes
                                    BUT
                                    you have to do the weekly update videos in a bikini
                                    Originally posted by Dirty Sanchez

                                    They do television shows about guys like you on MSNBC on weekends...creepy
                                    Yeah, you're hitting rockbottom when you're slobbering at stuff like that.
                                    Cmon Minet, act like you've had some snatch before.
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                                    • Triple_D_Bet
                                      SBR Hall of Famer
                                      • 12-12-11
                                      • 7626

                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by TheMoneyShot
                                      It will be interesting to see what SBR elects to do in this situation. There are many numerous scenarios to consider.

                                      The main question of this thread is... should SBR do another one? There are numerous variables to this equation.

                                      1. My personal belief is... what if you don't find a group of quality managers like Yisman, trytrytry, and RM18. I'm theoretically speaking. Is the point of the fund to gain consistently... to benefit all SBR posters to MAKE MORE BETPOINTS? Or... will the next set of managers lose points?

                                      2. Is the point to the Fund to constantly fluctuate? Meaning... more trading per day? Like a true stock market? Or... solid steady growth?

                                      3. Not trying to step on SBR's toes... but the managers deserve a hell of a lot more compensation if you want "true gains" and "true growth". Whoever was in charge of setting this original fund up... had no clue of the time and effort to calculate the best possible 2 correct plays a week. No SBR poster wants to lose their investment. You don't want them to lose... then pay the managers well with betpoints.

                                      So, as you clearly see... there are a variety of different ways the next fund could be set up. You can lose your ass. You can have the market fluctuate crazy each week. Or... you can have the fund produce like this past fund did. Personally, I'm not trying to sound cocky... but I'd like to see the next group of managers out perform Yisman, trytrytry, and RM18... I really don't think the next set of managers will. I'd wager on it. Everyone had a unique wagering pattern... and everyone balanced each other out. All great chemistry.
                                      Good points TMS. The most important variable though: what kind of incentives will SBR give to people for the "IPO"? The last one worked out well for people primarily because SBR added 66% of what the bought initially. If SBR didn't add anything, the gains would have been far less (~26% instead of ~110%) on the initial purchase.

                                      Compensation to the managers is another area which will have problems unless SBR foots the bill. Most funds have the managers paid based on a percentage of the fund itself. For this last one, without SBR adding to the pot, manager compensation (11,400 points) was a little over 8% of the fund investment despite being such a tiny amount of points. If the fund had to pay these points itself, even that small level of compensation would have eaten up 30% of the profit, and profit would have been only 18%. If all the profit was given to the managers, it still would have only been ~630 points per week to each manager, ~3160 point bonus to winning-est manager...still well short of adequate compensation I imagine.

                                      Funds like this need a much larger volume, so that a small percentage of the collective investment is enough to compensate the managers. Unless SBR sweetens the pot as they did this time, I think you'd need at least 3 times as much invested in the fund to approach being able to compensate managers well, and probably 10 times the investment before it became a good deal for them.

                                      Worth noting that without SBR sweetening the pot, there's nothing stopping anyone from doing the exact same thing. Obviously individuals have done the same thing on here numerous times, and if you adapted these rules, you and others could just as easily run your own thing and determine your own rules.
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                                      • Fidel_CashFlow
                                        SBR Aristocracy
                                        • 12-03-12
                                        • 53970

                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by Triple_D_Bet

                                        The most important variable though: what kind of incentives will SBR give to people for the "IPO"? The last one worked out well for people primarily because SBR added 66% of what the bought initially.

                                        Exactly TripleD

                                        Will have to at least match the IPO of the last one .

                                        Lets raise the initial cap on shares in the IPO to 400 shares instead of 300 though
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                                        • Optional
                                          Administrator
                                          • 06-10-10
                                          • 61735

                                          #21
                                          Maybe let people trade in smaller blocks than 100 shares to encourage more activity.
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                                          • newguy
                                            SBR Hall of Famer
                                            • 12-27-09
                                            • 6100

                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by Optional
                                            Maybe let people trade in smaller blocks than 100 shares to encourage more activity.
                                            This is a good point. Even the initial buy-in which was the cheapest point you could buy a share was 6pts per share or 600 for the min buy. My guess is that only 5% if sbr pros carry that balance weekly without buying a pizza as soon as they get there so your working on very limited market size already.

                                            Could set up separate thread where buyer pays 2 Points for any transaction under 100 (I.e. If you buy 10 shares at 10pts you would give seller 100 points and a mod 2 points for logging transaction). I am sure you can find someone who would be willing to maintain that spreadsheet at a compensation of 2 points per transaction. Only charge that on transactions below min. That gets sbr away from having to compensate them and still gets movement in fund.
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