We live in a society where there's more outrage over Donald Sterling speaking words, than Aaron Hernandez murdering people.
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I have news for you moneyline, 90% of MILLIONAIRES are extremely shady, much less billionaires
They didn't get rich by singing kumbaya with handicapped minorities and feeding stray cats
Its just racism and homophobia are what mass media has decided to make capital crimesComment -
Yeah but I can't find nearly as many bad stories on 99% of other sports owners....why Sterling?
And it's funny how Donny had this to say about our culture.....Pretty ironic if you think about what he's going to have to deal with now:
V: And is that right?
DS: It isn't a question—we don't evaluate what's right and wrong, we live in a society. We live in a culture. We have to live within that culture.
V: But shouldn't we take a stand for what's wrong? And be the change and the difference?
DS: I don't want to change the culture, because I can't. It's too big
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Giant I would have responded to this immediately if I had seen it. I have said over and over in this thread I am not excusing dons statements and I am his friend. What he said is wrong, I just question the level of vitriol he is being attacked. People in power do horrible things and no one cares yet this guy says ignorant things, just words said in private and he is public enemy #1. Literally public enemy # 1. It's laughable.
As far as Shelly there is not an inch of ground I will ever give. Shelly is one of the five finest people I have ever met. Her husband has many flaws and shortcomings but shelly is 100% decency and class and i would challenge anyone with PROOF to say otherwise. Shelly is universally loved by her staff, her family, her friends, the LA and Malibu communities she calls home, everyone. If one or two wack jobs want to make up stuff about her they can go to hell. Shelly is as good as it gets.
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Exactly.
I'm not even convinced Donald Sterling is a racist, because if he was a racist he wouldnt have a black/mexican girlfriend.
He didnt rent to blacks, hispanics, or whites with children because those groups bring down property values and are greater credit risks when it comes to paying rents. Sterling was a very shrewd businessman, and he partaked in unethical and illegal behavior because he was greedy. He ran the Clippers the same way. He's more of a scrooge than a racist. And the Jews are very clannish. Thats their culture. They keep everything in their family. Thats Old Testament law. Is that racist? Keeping business among their own family? I dont think so.
Somehow black owned business are seen as a positive. Thats encouraged.
White owned business = negative.
You are right about racism and homophobia.
Kobe Bryant was fined $100,000 for using the word "\*\*\*\*\*\*". Simply uttering the reference, and its $100,000 out of his pocket. Its insanity. The small percentage of those that actually get offended (who are always looking for anything to be offended by) are running the media. And big organizations are sometimes capitulating to it. Look what happened to Duck Dynasty and Phil Robertson.
Thats why I love Chic-Fil-A. When they got hammered for their organization not supporting gay marraige, they told the media to stick it. And it was their biggest chicken selling day ever.Comment -
Moneyline I have said repeatedly I don't defend his comments. I have also said repeatedly he has said racist ignorant things before and I don't excuse them either. Those statements are the reason he is not loved and adored in LA. The NAACP LA chapter was going to give Don only the second lifetime achievement award in its 100 year history next month. Do you think they were going to do that because they like Malibu billionaires or because he has given enormous amounts of money publicly and privately to the NAACP and similar charities over the last 40 years? Don has been a public figure and hated for 40 years because of his big mouth and has said things out of anger and ignorance a handful of times in 40 years. Just don't lose sight of the fact that we are talking forty years. How many of us have not done or said things we regret in forty years? it is a shame he DOES so much good and gets destroyed for things he says. Actions speak louder then words does not apply to donald sterlingComment -
I'l take your word for it....But I feel like if he was a such a great person, some of his players or coaches would back him up a little.....I could see Blake Griffin or someone saying, "We know Don, he is a great man but said something unfortunate, blah blah"....But we're getting none of that.....Seems like they are 100% against him if you ask meComment -
I never said he was a great man bro!! Everyone sees everything is such absolutes. He is not a great man ( Shelly is great by the way) . but he is not the worst guy in the world . he spent his entire life doing great things and being charitable to those less fortunate and also having a few racist ideas and a few ignorant ones that he has unfortunately expressed on occasion over a forty year period. This doesn't make his a great guy doesn't make him a scum bag doesn't make him mother theresa and doesn't make him a grand wizard in the KKK . It's all somewhere in the middle. I just can't believe he is the #1 target of our entire country. Every good ACT is ignored every bad WORD is magnified. Not to mention the untruths as well being spread
one last point about the players. any player that opens his mouth is a fool. I know the players are in a tough spot and they should be pissed at him for this huge distraction and these offensive comments. I was at Nobu on Blake's birthday in Nobu malibu with the sterlings this year. We saw him and went over, I shook his hand and bought him a drink. He gave Shelly a big hug and kiss and we all had a great Time. I know he likes Shelly and probably at this point hates Don . But supporting him now would be crazy. They should be against him because of this distraction. They are angry and I don't blame themComment -
Moneyline u need to get out of Jersey and come back down here I don't like what it's doing to youComment -
They all spoke harshly after the cooper case and he even had fistfights with his teammates after the incident. Only much later did he get any support.
Also yelling the N word when angry in the heat of the moment is not as bad as Dons history of sometimes ignorant and sometimes racist statements. I am a friend of Dons and I can still say that Dons situation is worse. But like someone else posted out ITT he isn't aaron Hernandez for f@@ks sake!!
i will say not a single person who is really against Don and want him out of the NBA will objectively discuss or even acknowledge the 25 racist quotes by prominent people that I posted. Seems unfair since I have been very forthcoming and am obviously a better resource on the Don sterling matter then virtually anyone and have been willing to take my lumps here.Comment -
I'll respond to em tomorrow morning....Gotta get to bed
But yeah I agree with you, Sterling's situation is definitely worse than Riley Cooper's.....But Mike Vick was supportive from the start, as were a few other black teammates....NOBODY has publicly supported Sterling that I sawComment -
Because they are irrelevant. How does other people's words change what Sterling said?
Are you trying to say people should overlook this because other people have said racist things too?
Are you trying to say it is wrong to condemn Sterling unless we condemn your list of 25 too?
You are acting like a terrible apologist, complaining others don't want to discuss your non sequiturs, but you can't possibly explain why what Sterling said itself isn't racist.
Stop justifying this fukked-up losers disgraceful attitudes..Comment -
Boycotting games won't hurt Don, just the fans. Clippers have sold out about 130 games in a row at home. Not,showing up doesn't hurt don. Even if the ticket price was refunded does anyone really think the ticket sales effect dons portfolio? Any clipper fan who loves the team should go support the players . They have suffered enough. I will be going Tuesday to show my support for the players and Shelly as well.
I will address each and every one of your points before I go to bed. It's a shame you won't do the same.
The relevance is the moral outrage being displayed here against Don. I never once said I agree with what he has said and I agree his comments were at best ignorant and at worst racist. Have said so 20 times. However the level of outrage is not about what he said it is about who said it. Because when dozens of people in power have said dozens of worse things there was hardly a blip on the radar screen. You are proving it by not even condemning the 25 comments I posted. How long would it take for you to say " yes those statements are racist and I disagree with them"? Why don't you take that very simple position? The double standard here is so out of hand it is actually comical. What Those people said does not change one bit the level of disdain I have for what Don said. I do wonder however why all the very adamant don antagonists don't even think those racist comments are worth even a one sentence comment.
Not saying people should overlook this at all optional. I am saying we are holding one person up to be crucified and have his business taken from him for things he said in private that were illegally recorded . Yet others have said and done far worse things in public and those people because they are who they are suffer exactly zero backlash and repercussions it makes you think it's not about the message it's about the messenger.
no I am not saying it's wrong to condemn don if you don't condemn the list. It just seems a few of you are very very hurt and offended by dons words and I wanted your honest input on what those people said. We can post dozens of times about what Don said in private and what should be Don to him I was just curious how you felt about these peoples inflammatory statements made in public. For whatever reason everyone doesn't feel any of those statements are even worth a comment. It seems very strange to me.
as far as me being an apologist I will gladly pay you 50 bucks for every time I said what don said was acceptable and you can pay me ten bucks for every time I said what don Said was wrong. If I am an apologist you should make yourself a pretty penny. Want to do this? Of course you don't. Because I never once said what Don said was acceptable. Despite several peoples very poor efforts to prove I have I did say repeatedly dons comments were ignorant and racist, and unfortunately this is the 4th or 5th time this has happened in the past 40 years. It is very unfortunate. I never once said the comments weren't wrong I said the degree of outrage is disproportionate because of who donald is. I can cite a dozen examples of high profile people of all races saying worse things with no backlash at all. Yet somehow with donald the president of the unites states is commenting LOL
never once justified " this fukked up losers " attitude. But you sure have a funny way of describing self made multi billionaires you have never met who, adopted and raised three kids, and donates 100's of millions to charity just because they have said or done 4/5 unfortunate things in their 80 years on earth . you and the people you surround yourself with must live a perfect ethical and moral life to have such high standards for total strangers. I have to commend you sir
As I have said repeatedly a dozen times I do not agree with what Don said in these private conversations. However the level of vitriol and outrage is about the messenger not the message. It is becoming more and more clear every hour.Comment -
To me, the players are hypocrites. Sterling has a long, public history of discrimination and perceived racism. So much so that Paul Westphal came out and said Sterlings comments are the least surprising news of the playoffs. Many others have echoed that sentiment.
None of the players seemed to mind when he was offering them millions of dollars to play for him. But now that the money is all but 100% guaranteed, they're protesting him for being the exact same person they knew he was the day they agreed to play for him and take his money?
Bunch of hypocrites.Comment -
I understand why you thought I was addressing you with my first post, but I was actually thinking about the people saying stuff like this is all about blacks being over sensitive, Sterling can't be racist because he gave free tickets to black kids or was banging a half black woman etc etc. Just so you know where I was coming from.I will address each and every one of your points before I go to bed. It's a shame you won't do the same.
The relevance is the moral outrage being displayed here against Don. I never once said I agree with what he has said and I agree his comments were at best ignorant and at worst racist. Have said so 20 times. However the level of outrage is not about what he said it is about who said it. Because when dozens of people in power have said dozens of worse things there was hardly a blip on the radar screen. You are proving it by not even condemning the 25 comments I posted. How long would it take for you to say " yes those statements are racist and I disagree with them"? Why don't you take that very simple position? The double standard here is so out of hand it is actually comical. What Those people said does not change one bit the level of disdain I have for what Don said. I do wonder however why all the very adamant don antagonists don't even think those racist comments are worth even a one sentence comment.
Not saying people should overlook this at all optional. I am saying we are holding one person up to be crucified and have his business taken from him for things he said in private that were illegally recorded . Yet others have said and done far worse things in public and those people because they are who they are suffer exactly zero backlash and repercussions it makes you think it's not about the message it's about the messenger.
no I am not saying it's wrong to condemn don if you don't condemn the list. It just seems a few of you are very very hurt and offended by dons words and I wanted your honest input on what those people said. We can post dozens of times about what Don said in private and what should be Don to him I was just curious how you felt about these peoples inflammatory statements made in public. For whatever reason everyone doesn't feel any of those statements are even worth a comment. It seems very strange to me.
as far as me being an apologist I will gladly pay you 50 bucks for every time I said what don said was acceptable and you can pay me ten bucks for every time I said what don Said was wrong. If I am an apologist you should make yourself a pretty penny. Want to do this? Of course you don't. Because I never once said what Don said was acceptable. Despite several peoples very poor efforts to prove I have I did say repeatedly dons comments were ignorant and racist, and unfortunately this is the 4th or 5th time this has happened in the past 40 years. It is very unfortunate. I never once said the comments weren't wrong I said the degree of outrage is disproportionate because of who donald is. I can cite a dozen examples of high profile people of all races saying worse things with no backlash at all. Yet somehow with donald the president of the unites states is commenting LOL
never once justified " this fukked up losers " attitude. But you sure have a funny way of describing self made multi billionaires you have never met who, adopted and raised three kids, and donates 100's of millions to charity just because they have said or done 4/5 unfortunate things in their 80 years on earth . you and the people you surround yourself with must live a perfect ethical and moral life to have such high standards for total strangers. I have to commend you sir
As I have said repeatedly a dozen times I do not agree with what Don said in these private conversations. However the level of vitriol and outrage is about the messenger not the message. It is becoming more and more clear every hour.
Personally I am not especially outraged by his comments. Just think they are dumb and kind of pathetic sounding mostly. I get that he's a rich old fool used to doing and saying whatever he likes and carrying baggage from another era. My own father isn't that unlike him.
What I found outrageous is how many people want to deflect blame to the over sensitive blacks or flat out deny he is racist at all.
Anyway, the 25 quotes are interesting but just come across as another attempt to excuse the guy in this thread.
On a side note, I feel a little sympathy for him having to defend a private conversation with someone he loved who sounds like she was setting him up. But life aint fair sometimes..Comment -
It sad this is what the country is worried about as there are so many other important things in life and silly racial comments
If he hurt or killed someone physically that's a different ball game
The NBA players a total overreaction
Although we saw they were pussies as a did nothing
They cannot do anything because they're under contractComment -
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Magic Johnson wants Sterling to sell the clippers to him as redemption.
Wouldn't it be funny if Magic was working with this chick all along to take this guy out so he can build the LA sports empire that he wants
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Wouldn't be the first time Magic has dealt with 'aides'Magic Johnson wants Sterling to sell the clippers to him as redemption.
Wouldn't it be funny if Magic was working with this chick all along to take this guy out so he can build the LA sports empire that he wants
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/exit-st...073015142.html
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Not enough coming down on the trifling golddigger and her motives.Comment
