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  • Optional
    Administrator
    • 06-10-10
    • 61665

    #71
    Originally posted by TheCentaur
    I'm not even sure I want to answer after reading replies

    Sure to be arguing about it
    LOL... I think at this point it would be better to suffer the arguments than the abuse for leaving everyone hanging with no answer!
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    • Vegas39
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      • 09-22-11
      • 30686

      #72
      Originally posted by Optional
      LOL... I think at this point it would be better to suffer the arguments than the abuse for leaving everyone hanging with no answer!

      for sure
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      • Cuse0323
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        • 12-09-09
        • 30169

        #73
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        • dlunc3
          SBR Hall of Famer
          • 10-31-09
          • 9129

          #74
          War
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          • tb1984
            SBR MVP
            • 09-11-08
            • 3112

            #75
            Unless it's a trick question, like others said craps odds are the best bets.
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            • RudyRuetigger
              SBR Aristocracy
              • 08-24-10
              • 65084

              #76
              Originally posted by James D
              Lots of hands much much worse then 72o if you have aces. You want other guy to have an ace. Just a Few examples to show you...

              AA vs 72o is 87-12%
              AA vs A2o is 93-6%
              AA vs A6o is 93-5%
              Yes my bad

              this is the best bet since the one specific blackjack hand counts
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              • TheCentaur
                SBR Hall of Famer
                • 06-28-11
                • 8108

                #77
                Originally posted by RudyRuetigger
                Yes my bad

                this is the best bet since the one specific blackjack hand counts
                As said earlier has to be against the house
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                • GunShard
                  SBR Posting Legend
                  • 03-05-10
                  • 10031

                  #78
                  Originally posted by cuse0323
                  craps odds bet 0% house edge
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                  • gauchojake
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                    • 09-17-10
                    • 34116

                    #79
                    Quintessential attention whore thread.
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                    • InTheDrink
                      SBR Posting Legend
                      • 11-23-09
                      • 23983

                      #80
                      Originally posted by InTheDrink



                      what a douche
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                      • TheCentaur
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                        • 06-28-11
                        • 8108

                        #81
                        Nomination(s):
                        This post was nominated 3 times . To view the nominated thread please click here. People who nominated: Russian Rocket, InTheDrink, and capitalist pig
                        It's a bewildering, eerie feeling being accused of attention whoring by The likes of RussianRacket and Inthestink

                        It was my intent to stimulate discussion about good casino bets in this thread, because look how many posters think War is a good bet
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                        • GiveMeaBJ
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                          • 09-08-09
                          • 8449

                          #82
                          Can ya tell us?
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                          • Russian Rocket
                            SBR Aristocracy
                            • 09-02-12
                            • 43910

                            #83
                            Originally posted by TheCentaur
                            Nomination(s):
                            This post was nominated 3 times . To view the nominated thread please click here. People who nominated: Russian Rocket, InTheDrink, and capitalist pig
                            It's a bewildering, eerie feeling being accused of attention whoring by RR and Inthestink

                            It was my intent to stimulate discussion about good casino bets in this thread, because look how many posters think War is a good bet
                            you're dragging this shit for too long...kinda like a school girl on the prom night
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                            • TheCentaur
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                              • 06-28-11
                              • 8108

                              #84
                              Originally posted by GiveMeaBJ
                              Can ya tell us?
                              Blackjack insurance bet (wait for outrage before explanation)
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                              • GiveMeaBJ
                                SBR Hall of Famer
                                • 09-08-09
                                • 8449

                                #85
                                Outrage.
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                                • ScurvyPirate
                                  SBR Sharp
                                  • 12-15-11
                                  • 377

                                  #86
                                  If your counting and you have a good hand, perhaps. This should be interesting!

                                  I personally never take it. I will however take even money from time to time depending on different scenarios.
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                                  • byronbb
                                    SBR MVP
                                    • 11-13-08
                                    • 3067

                                    #87
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                                    • ChalkyDog
                                      SBR Hall of Famer
                                      • 10-02-11
                                      • 9598

                                      #88
                                      Originally posted by TheCentaur
                                      Blackjack insurance bet (wait for outrage before explanation)
                                      This is the best possible answer after reading this thread. HAHAHA!
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                                      • James Marques
                                        SBR MVP
                                        • 03-04-14
                                        • 1605

                                        #89
                                        What an idiotic thing to say. Even if you have a huge edge on a count, you'll surely get backed off the table. Counters are notorious for their perfect strategy when the count is not in their favor. Someone who is playing flawless strategy blackjack that all of a sudden takes insurance? Backed down without question. I can't believe I read through 80-something posts just to see that nonsense.
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                                        • Cuse0323
                                          BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                          • 12-09-09
                                          • 30169

                                          #90
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                                          • TheCentaur
                                            SBR Hall of Famer
                                            • 06-28-11
                                            • 8108

                                            #91
                                            Originally posted by James Marques
                                            What an idiotic thing to say. Even if you have a huge edge on a count, you'll surely get backed off the table. Counters are notorious for their perfect strategy when the count is not in their favor. Someone who is playing flawless strategy blackjack that all of a sudden takes insurance? Backed down without question. I can't believe I read through 80-something posts just to see that nonsense.
                                            I will explain more fully soon, the away comp Im on won't let me type more than a word per 20-30 seconds, frustrating
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                                            • mikejamm
                                              SBR Posting Legend
                                              • 08-24-09
                                              • 11047

                                              #92
                                              What a fuk'in idiot! Your best bet in a casino centaurshit, is you'll be giving blow jobs the the bathroom to recoup your losses!Dumbest fuk'in attention whore thread ever.
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                                              • InTheDrink
                                                SBR Posting Legend
                                                • 11-23-09
                                                • 23983

                                                #93
                                                Originally posted by TheCentaur
                                                Nomination(s):
                                                This post was nominated 3 times . To view the nominated thread please click here. People who nominated: Russian Rocket, InTheDrink, and capitalist pig
                                                It's a bewildering, eerie feeling being accused of attention whoring by The likes of RussianRacket and Inthestink

                                                It was my intent to stimulate discussion about good casino bets in this thread, because look how many posters think War is a good bet
                                                This thread is the equivalent to asking us to pick a number between one and a million and letting everyone guess until it's "right" while you're changing the number in your head

                                                Especially when you posted the "answer"
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                                                • gauchojake
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                                                  • 09-17-10
                                                  • 34116

                                                  #94
                                                  Centy is about to pull the rip cord for tonight. He'll be back tomorrow to explain.
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                                                  • James Marques
                                                    SBR MVP
                                                    • 03-04-14
                                                    • 1605

                                                    #95
                                                    Originally posted by TheCentaur
                                                    I will explain more fully soon, the away comp Im on won't let me type more than a word per 20-30 seconds, frustrating
                                                    Okay, fair enough. I'm interested to see where this goes.
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                                                    • Kaabee
                                                      SBR MVP
                                                      • 01-21-06
                                                      • 2482

                                                      #96
                                                      Originally posted by James D
                                                      When a team wins a football/basketball game they combine the scores of each quarter and the team with the most points wins. A baseball game they combine the scoring nine innings in each of the nine innings.
                                                      Not sure why the word combine is a game changer for you. You can't make a vig free odds bet without the initial investment so how can they be separate?

                                                      Please answer this question Kaabee, if the two are separate bets why do casinos offer 5x odds others offer 10x odds and others offer 100x odds'? The casino only allows you to make an odds bet directly related to the amount of the pass line bet. If they are two separate bets How can bet one directly restrict what your allowed to do on bet two?? How do separate bets restrict your next completely independent bet?
                                                      oh, ffs. pass line is bet A. odds is bet B. if you want to call the combined EV of the two bet C, then go ahead. however, bet A will never equal bet B.

                                                      a bet on team A at -150 is not the same bet as betting team A at -120 (same game).
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                                                      • James Marques
                                                        SBR MVP
                                                        • 03-04-14
                                                        • 1605

                                                        #97
                                                        Originally posted by Kaabee
                                                        oh, ffs. pass line is bet A. odds is bet B. if you want to call the combined EV of the two bet C, then go ahead. however, bet A will never equal bet B.

                                                        a bet on team A at -150 is not the same bet as betting team A at -120 (same game).
                                                        What about a put bet, placed on the PL after the point has been established? A negative EV bet, sure... But at a 100x odds table? What do I care about $5 when I throw $500 behind it at zero vig? Variance and bankroll management notwithstanding...

                                                        If I could get even odds on a blackjack bet (where I push if both the dealer and I bust, essentially) and it only cost me throwing down $5 commission per hand at $500 a bet... Sign me up.
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                                                        • TheCentaur
                                                          SBR Hall of Famer
                                                          • 06-28-11
                                                          • 8108

                                                          #98
                                                          James Marques, you are right that this will bring heat, but so does any bet that the house loses on, so that's unavoidable

                                                          Yes, counting cards, preferably with a 1 or 2 deck game, if you are using a solid count there will be opportunities, especially in the later hands, when the dealer draws an upcard ace and the deck is very positive

                                                          Say you are using a 3 level count (tens are +3, aces are side counted, 5s are -3, etc.) on a single deck and after dealing the 2nd round the dealer is showing an ace. You can see the cards for the players on either side of you and determine the deck has a running count of +15 and there are around 16-17 cards remaining that are unseen (in the dealer's hand and downcard).

                                                          In this scenario the remaining tens is about equal to the remaining non tens. Since insurance pays 2 to 1, you are getting paid 2 to 1 on an even money bet. What I have done in the past is take insurance, say I think he's due, and ask the other players if you can take their insurance. Sure its a red flag, but if it loses the suits are happy ur such an idiot, and if it wins you move along to another table or casino soon after.

                                                          I'm not saying you can make a living doing this, but it's good ammo to have in a casino. If you are betting $100/hand and the other 2 players are as well, that's $150 in insurance you can bet with an expected return of $75 profit per $150 bet.

                                                          If you are watching friends play you can also back count and take his/her insurance when the opportunity comes up, I have done this plenty.

                                                          Sure there are bets like calling with a pat royal flush in carribean stud, but those chances are already included in your initial ante bet.

                                                          Let the bashing commence
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                                                          • James D
                                                            SBR MVP
                                                            • 01-03-13
                                                            • 2040

                                                            #99
                                                            ^^^^^

                                                            just saw answer. Not going to even comment





                                                            Glad i popped back into sbr

                                                            Insurance in BJ loses about 98% of the time. I anxiously await the logic. I figure we will get it about halfway through the NBA playoffs
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                                                            • James Marques
                                                              SBR MVP
                                                              • 03-04-14
                                                              • 1605

                                                              #100
                                                              Cent what you're saying makes very little sense. One: in a single deck game, you won't know anyone else's cards. Two: if you feel they're "due?" Come on man, you're smart enough to see through that fallacy. Three: any sound strategy that exists in counting is gone. The casinos are just too good at spotting it now. You'll be backed down every time. It wouldn't be worth the risk of being banned when (not if, when) you get caught.
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                                                              • TheCentaur
                                                                SBR Hall of Famer
                                                                • 06-28-11
                                                                • 8108

                                                                #101
                                                                Originally posted by James Marques
                                                                Cent what you're saying makes very little sense. One: in a single deck game, you won't know anyone else's cards. Two: if you feel they're "due?" Come on man, you're smart enough to see through that fallacy. Three: any sound strategy that exists in counting is gone. The casinos are just too good at spotting it now. You'll be backed down every time. It wouldn't be worth the risk of being banned when (not if, when) you get caught.
                                                                No, the "due " comment is to deflect from your counting, you will know you have the advantage. If you are counting an important part of that is looking at other players hands when they look to see what they have.
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                                                                • James Marques
                                                                  SBR MVP
                                                                  • 03-04-14
                                                                  • 1605

                                                                  #102
                                                                  Originally posted by TheCentaur
                                                                  No, the "due " comment is to deflect from your counting, you will know you have the advantage. If you are counting an important part of that is looking at other players hands when they look to see what they have.
                                                                  While not quite hole-carding, it's virtually the same thing. Hole carding IS cheating. Looking at other players' isn't, but it is a certain ban. Nevermind the lousy odds those 1-2 deck games are offering now. At 6/5, no surrender, no dbl after split, no aces, hit soft 17, yada yada... I'd play mega millions before I played a one or two deck game.

                                                                  Look, I used to love gaming blackjack. When I was a kid in AC, it was like free money. Trust me when I say this, blackjack is unbeatable today in any casino worth a crap.
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                                                                  • James Marques
                                                                    SBR MVP
                                                                    • 03-04-14
                                                                    • 1605

                                                                    #103
                                                                    I played blackjack at the Bellagio less than two months ago. Played it straight, just for fun, but of course I'm watching angles. At one point, during a really high count (especially for 6 deck), I watch some drunk frat kid stumble up to the table to put $200 on one hand ($25 min table). Now this kid had no clue, but he got hemmed up so fast, everyone at the table (fairly sharp crew) knew what I was thinking: their damn computers count way better than you do. And he only spread 8 x the table min. Imagine how they would hem you up over a 10 x min insurance bet at +EV!
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                                                                    • billysink
                                                                      Restricted User
                                                                      • 03-29-09
                                                                      • 5172

                                                                      #104
                                                                      Originally posted by TheCentaur
                                                                      I will explain more fully soon, the away comp Im on won't let me type more than a word per 20-30 seconds, frustrating
                                                                      one too many.
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                                                                      • TheCentaur
                                                                        SBR Hall of Famer
                                                                        • 06-28-11
                                                                        • 8108

                                                                        #105
                                                                        Originally posted by James Marques
                                                                        While not quite hole-carding, it's virtually the same thing. Hole carding IS cheating. Looking at other players' isn't, but it is a certain ban. Nevermind the lousy odds those 1-2 deck games are offering now. At 6/5, no surrender, no dbl after split, no aces, hit soft 17, yada yada... I'd play mega millions before I played a one or two deck game.

                                                                        Look, I used to love gaming blackjack. When I was a kid in AC, it was like free money. Trust me when I say this, blackjack is unbeatable today in any casino worth a crap.
                                                                        Not even close to hole carding

                                                                        Yes I realize these days card counting has lost it's effectiveness, I have been booted for counting also

                                                                        I think you can play with the count in mind and make some cover bets so you can pounce on the insurance opportunities
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