Are people this naive? (Selection Committee)

[TPowell]

Last year, they gave Gonzaga (a 1 seed) the right to play the winner of Pitt (a top 20 power rated team) and Wichita State (surging when they got healthy late). Of course Wichita State wins and everybody bashes Gonzaga and assumes they were overrated

This year, Wichita State gets a 1 seed and they get Kentucky more than likely. A team that was #1 preseason and ranked MOST of the season. IF they beat Kentucky, they will more than likely face the #3 team in the country in the SWEET 16 (Louisville).


Do people really think that this shit isn't rigged like crazy?

[daneblazer]

I hear the same people in the selection committee created the RNG for SBR Poker

[jjgold]

I't will never be perfect does anyone have any suggestions on how this could be better

[KRIT]

I't will never be perfect does anyone have any suggestions on how this could be better

Let Vegas make the bracket. Or just have Lunardi make it. His brackets always look better than the committees.

[k13]

So you are saying they don't want mid majors ruining the party?

Well yeah...

[convick]

Gonzaga was a joke last year. They were up 1 against Southern with 2 minutes left.

Easily the worst 1 seed in the last 10 years, Wichita beating them was a no-brainer.

[face]

time to test this perfect team
they beat tennessee and st. louis
only good teams they played

[Cuse0323]

Do people really think it isn't?

[GoBlue77]

i can only pray wichita st plays kentucky. love the shockers in that matchup

[thetrinity]

Look at all the potential 2nd round matchups. Nebraska Creighton. Wichita Kentucky (or team who dodges them kst). Nova against old big east rival uconn or big 5 team st joes list is endless

[eidolon]

IF it was perfect, ppl would be making a Billion dollars a year on perfect brackets

[rocky9995]

Most of u people are that dumb. I agree it's prob a little rigged. Last years Gonzaga team was phenomenal. Bad luck with their guard bell getting injured and Wichita making insane amount of threes. This year Gonzaga team will show how good they are

[InTheDrink]

Most of u people are that dumb. I agree it's prob a little rigged. Last years Gonzaga team was phenomenal. Bad luck with their guard bell getting injured and Wichita making insane amount of threes. This year Gonzaga team will show how good they are

are you aware that their best player might be playing at 75% right now?

[ChalkyDog]

Why is everyone convinced Kentucky is going to beat KSU? They fukkin sucked in easily the worst major conference, now they are all of a sudden contenders because of one game where the hung in on a neutral court vs. another painfully overhyped Florida team? The SEC is trash this year in basketball.

Kentucky wont be beating the shockers. And even if they did, they wont do much. These guys are talented mental midgets. Can't fix that in a week.

[Louisvillekid1]

Why is everyone convinced Kentucky is going to beat KSU? They fukkin sucked in easily the worst major conference, now they are all of a sudden contenders because of one game where the hung in on a neutral court vs. another painfully overhyped Florida team? The SEC is trash this year in basketball.

Kentucky wont be beating the shockers. And even if they did, they wont do much. These guys are talented mental midgets. Can't fix that in a week.

you hate UK

[Zeus54]

Why is everyone convinced Kentucky is going to beat KSU? They fukkin sucked in easily the worst major conference, now they are all of a sudden contenders because of one game where the hung in on a neutral court vs. another painfully overhyped Florida team? The SEC is trash this year in basketball.

lol @ K-State. And you saying Florida is overhyped tells me you don't watch much college hoops. Yes, the SEC is utter dog shit, but that Florida team is legit.

Kentucky wont be beating the shockers. And even if they did, they wont do much. These guys are talented mental midgets. Can't fix that in a week.

It's definitely possible... I made this post at another forum explaining why...

UK is not much better than an 8 seed. Just too much of a young and inexperienced team. How many legitimately good key wins do they have? 1 or 2?

That said, I'm pondering on picking UK to beat Wichita St. I love this Wichita team and have been sour on UK all year, but UK got so much hype put on their shoulders from the media and their fans. Have to think getting an 8 seed will sort of give them a feeling that they're playing with house money. All the pressure would be on Wichita at 35-0.

[sweethook]

its hard to make everone happy but all and all they do a good job

[ChalkyDog]

you hate UK

I hate the SEC this year. That entire conference is a goddamn joke.

Teams who win in march are elite at something, and/or have been tested throughout the year. Florida hasn't been tested since 2013.

I can't hate UK, Calipari helps too much with Arizona recruiting. Their fans are morons though.

[KRIT]

Why is everyone convinced Kentucky is going to beat KSU? They fukkin sucked in easily the worst major conference, now they are all of a sudden contenders because of one game where the hung in on a neutral court vs. another painfully overhyped Florida team? The SEC is trash this year in basketball.

Kentucky wont be beating the shockers. And even if they did, they wont do much. These guys are talented mental midgets. Can't fix that in a week.

That's what I keep saying. Everyone is just assuming Kentucky is going to play Wichita. KState is a very solid team, and I'll likely be taking the 5 points with KState in that game. I'll probably still have Kentucky advancing in my bracket, but that game will be up for grabs. Kentucky has almost zero chance against the Shockers.

[TPowell]

its hard to make everone happy but all and all they do a good job

surely you don't actually believe this........

[Louisvillekid1]

T powell

stop bitching

we cut down the nets let's beat everyone in line

line'em up

that's why college ball is college ball

dam you sound like a Lexington fan

[thetrinity]

powell thanks for tellin me to grab creighton futures before the year 66-1 now 25-1 freeroll fuckin city.

[Tommy Karate]

T powell

stop bitching

we cut down the nets let's beat everyone in line

line'em up

that's why college ball is college ball

dam you sound like a Lexington fan

were the cards also a very poor FT shooting team last year?

[The Madcap]

Let Vegas make the bracket. Or just have Lunardi make it. His brackets always look better than the committees.

Lunardi had Maryland in ahead of NC State. The NIT didn't even want Maryland. Not to mention Maryland lost to NC State earlier in the year when State didn't even have their best player (TJ Warren) who accounts for over 30% of their point production. Lunardi's brackets are all based of stat metrics he doesn't even understand. While his seeding might seem more fair to the naked eye than the selection committee's often does, Lunardi doesn't really take things into account like the geography/Pod system/travel miles etc that the committee has to.

[thetrinity]

um he had smu in instead of nc state, thats the only team he missed

[Jayvegas420]

When you put 3 of the four final four teams from last year, all in one bracket, you are gonna raise suspicion amongst the conspiracy theorists.
I say this, knowing full well that TPowell will ass rape me in any Bracket contest, like he always does.
But, c'mon, Wichita, Kentucky, Michigan & Louisville all in the same bracket with Duke.
What do you expect?

[The Madcap]

um he had smu in instead of nc state, thats the only team he missed

YES.


But he had Maryland rated ahead of NC State as far as his "first four out/next four out" listings:

http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebasketballnation/post/_/id/96355/lunardi-my-take-on-the-bracket


"The following exclusions are all at least 10 spots better than the Wolfpack (No. 66) in the final KenPom rankings: SMU (No. 32, my choice), Louisiana Tech (No. 35), Utah (No. 36), St. John's (No. 38), Florida State (No. 41), Maryland (No. 43), Clemson (No. 51), Georgetown (No. 45) and Illinois (No. 56). So one could argue, fairly effectively, that NC State wasn't even the next best team in its own conference. But apparently that doesn't matter since Coach Mike Krzyzewski thinks all of them should be in the tournament."

[Louisvillekid1]

were the cards also a very poor FT shooting team last year?

You know for the first time in a long time they excelled

but of course Russ struggled in the final four

[InTheDrink]

YES.


But he had Maryland rated ahead of NC State as far as his "first four out/next four out" listings:

http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebasketballnation/post/_/id/96355/lunardi-my-take-on-the-bracket


"The following exclusions are all at least 10 spots better than the Wolfpack (No. 66) in the final KenPom rankings: SMU (No. 32, my choice), Louisiana Tech (No. 35), Utah (No. 36), St. John's (No. 38), Florida State (No. 41), Maryland (No. 43), Clemson (No. 51), Georgetown (No. 45) and Illinois (No. 56). So one could argue, fairly effectively, that NC State wasn't even the next best team in its own conference. But apparently that doesn't matter since Coach Mike Krzyzewski thinks all of them should be in the tournament."

lol it says kenpom rankings right in the paragraph you bolded

[ChalkyDog]

Listen, the selection committee nor myself buy the AAC. That's why UL is a 4 seed and SMU is out of the tourney. That simple. Their logic isn't flawed either, IMO.

Your boys got treated as a mid-major. That simple. You will either prove to the world you are as good as your numbers, or they're inflated as hell due to the competition.

[The Madcap]

lol it says kenpom rankings right in the paragraph you bolded

NO SHIT.



Lunardi is slave to the metrics. Hence why I wrote: "Lunardi's brackets are all based off stat metrics he doesn't even understand."



(I would have linked his "first four out/next four out" list but ESPN.com has already removed it)

[Louisvillekid1]

Listen, the selection committee nor myself buy the AAC. That's why UL is a 4 seed and SMU is out of the tourney. That simple. Their logic isn't flawed either, IMO.

Your boys got treated as a mid-major. That simple. You will either prove to the world you are as good as your numbers, or they're inflated as hell due to the competition.

Lol because the PAC ( piece a chit) has been so reputable over the years

oh UCLA hit 3 str8 final fours ,

now a trip to Corvallis or wazoo Means something!

gtfo west coast ball is all finesse garbage

Sean miller is doing a great job

but enjoy another sweet 16 / elite 8 season

[InTheDrink]

lol i was thinking chalker was pretty feisty considering pac 12/10's recent "success" in the tourney

[ChalkyDog]

Lol because the PAC ( piece a chit) has been so reputable over the years

oh UCLA hit 3 str8 final fours ,

now a trip to Corvallis or wazoo Means something!

gtfo west coast ball is all finesse garbage

Sean miller is doing a great job

but enjoy another sweet 16 / elite 8 season

WTF? 2 years ago the regular conference champion didn't even make the dance. First time in history that has ever happened to a champion of a major conference.

This year, we send 6 and put half of them in one bracket. That is a slight, IMO. Ratio wise, especially considering seeding - PAC has held their own in the dance, especially ATS.

I can write a diatribe on why the PAC hit a downstretch the last few years, and why it's going to be one of the best conferences in the nation for at least the next 3 to 4 years, could be more but it's hard to evaluate middle schoolers. A lot of it had to do with talent on the West Coast, and then keeping the talent on the west coast. Nobody wants to hear about it, so I wont go much further. It's a lot easier to figure out and predict than most things.

But, here is the point - my point: The selection committee uses an archaic metric that is called RPI. L'Ville - I know you know of that, and probably have a decent understanding. It's basically the only "advanced" metric the selection committee uses. I put it in quotes due to the fact that the metric is a goddamn joke. A metric that was created around the same time people were typing in C drive commands into DOS. It's outdated and isn't anywhere near as good as the dozens of other metrics available.

Guess where Louisville was in RPI? Guess where AAC measured in conference RPI. Once you realize WTF is going on, it's incredibly easy to reconcile how the committee put L'ville as a 4 seed and SMU out.

The reasoning isn't flawed, as the metric used is equally terrible to every team - thus fair. It's just a shit metric.

You'll be in the ACC soon enough, and wont have to worry about being treated as a mid-major, as there isn't a more overhyped and overrespected basketball conference in the history of college ball. That said, and going all the way back to my point about regional talent pools - the East Coast wont be as deep as usual in the talent department due to a very specific strategy of East Coast talent handlers. Rondae Hollis-Jefferson being one of the few kids tagged to start this project. The other names have worked out equally as well.

Interesting to see how they handle L'ville in this, as they are playing on the east coast, but are not exactly "east coast" - could benefit you. I know it will benefit Arizona and UCLA.

BTW, Sean Miller is 14-2-1 ATS and never lost to a lower seed in this tourney. That one is on the house.

[InTheDrink]

NO SHIT.



Lunardi is slave to the metrics. Hence why I wrote: "Lunardi's brackets are all based off stat metrics he doesn't even understand."



(I would have linked his "first four out/next four out" list but ESPN.com has already removed it)

what in the fuk are you even talking about? im about 70% sure you have to be under the influence

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/bracketology

First Four Out

• Southern Miss
• Minnesota
• Florida State
• California

Next Four Out

• Arkansas
• Missouri
• NC State
• Louisiana Tech