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  • stevenash
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    • 01-17-11
    • 65661

    #1
    Three reasons why I am betting Cards tonight in game
    (actually 5 reasons, but three are main points)

    1) Cards are home dogs.

    I love home dogs.
    I love betting home dogs when the home team doesn't lose at home. (Well of course they lose, but I am making a point here) Cards are 54-27 at home this season. That's exactly 2 out of 3. 2 out of 3 all season at home (.667) is a rock solid percentage.
    Bush is a very real home field advantage. Some poo-poo the home field advantage in baseball, Bush ain't the Trop where there are more Red Sox fans than Rays fans, Bush is extremely intimidating.

    2) Card starter is getting no respect from the odds maker.
    Joe Kelly is the starter, not Joe Saunders.
    Kelly was 10-5, 2.69 ERA. Nice ! 1.35 WH/IP, mediocre, walks one batter too many, but certainly not "wild thing" by any stretch.
    Even though LA beat the Cards 3 out 4 in St. Louis in August, it was Kelly who went pitch for pitch against some hamburger named Kershaw and beat him 5-1.

    3) Dodger starter is getting too much love from Vegas off his regular season record this year.
    Yes, Donald Greinke, but you can call me Zach, posted rock solid across the board numbers, fact still remains he is a head case, and has big time problems in prime time, bright lights, big city situations.
    Proof?
    OK, Greinke's mental problems are well documented, and his post season record (you know, when the pressure is on, when it matters) sucks,
    Greinke's post season numbers, well, suck.
    5.56 ERA sucks. 1.36 WH/IP in the post season doesn't really suck that ad, but you can sure see suck from there.

    4) Cardinals bull pen is 100 percent healthy, Joe Kelly ain't going nine unless he's got a no hitter through 8, and even then he might not see nine.
    His job is to keep the Cards in the game, turn it over to a good group of bullpen relievers.

    5) Cardinal experience
    Carlos Beltran has a crap load of post season experience, so does Holliday, you know the rest of the list.
    Oh sure, Carpenter is a little green, and a couple of others, but Freese is a proven WS hero, Holliday is clutch, and that guy Beltran is the greatest post season hitter in my generation.
    The greatest Nashy you say?
    Yes, Beltran is the most successful post season hitter in this generation, not saying all time, but no other hitter has had more post season success than Beltran in the past few post seasons.

    Want to bet Kershaw and LA at Bush in game 2 over Wacha?, go for it, we'll discuss that this weekend.

    But for tonight's game, game 1, I am expecting the home dog to not just bark, but bite as well.
    Woof, woof.

    Cards +121 (5 Dimes) for me.

    200 gets me 240 and change.
  • No coincidences
    SBR Aristocracy
    • 01-18-10
    • 76300

    #2
    I'm on it as well, Nasher, but I have no problem chasing it tomorrow if they lose.

    I think it's as simple as this: if the line drops before gametime, we're in good shape tonight. If not, we might be in trouble.

    Good luck.
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    • stevenash
      Moderator
      • 01-17-11
      • 65661

      #3
      Thanks NC, however, I don't believe in line movement, reverse line movement, line movement after baby Ashley burps after drinking her formula and Zippy the puppy dog farts after eating a rawhide.

      I pay attention to it yes, but I don't fade line movement, I don't tail line movement.

      Line movement doesn't hit, catch or field the ball either.
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      • No coincidences
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        • 01-18-10
        • 76300

        #4
        Originally posted by stevenash
        Thanks NC, however, I don't believe in line movement, reverse line movement, line movement after baby Ashley burps after drinking her formula and Zippy the puppy dog farts after eating a rawhide.
        Ashley -150
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        • Louisvillekid1
          SBR Aristocracy
          • 10-17-07
          • 52143

          #5
          only nasher says 3 reasons and list 5

          6) I'm secretly in love with the red birds.

          Good luck Nasher, and thanks for the read
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          • stevenash
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            • 01-17-11
            • 65661

            #6
            Originally posted by Louisvillekid1
            only nasher says 3 reasons and list 5

            6) I'm secretly in love with the red birds.

            Good luck Nasher, and thanks for the read
            Nasher did make 5 cases for the Red Birds, yes, but two of them came off of three central points.
            Thanks LK, yes, this Yankee fan says Cards are a very easy team to like, love the way they think 0-2 counts on them are an advantage and take the ball the other way for hits, just like they teach as an 8 year old, a 12 year old and a 16 year old.

            I have a crush on the Red Birds too, and LK ain't exactly chopped liver either.
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            • mikemca
              SBR Posting Legend
              • 03-10-10
              • 10047

              #7
              Originally posted by stevenash
              (actually 5 reasons, but three are main points)

              1) Cards are home dogs.

              I love home dogs.
              I love betting home dogs when the home team doesn't lose at home. (Well of course they lose, but I am making a point here) Cards are 54-27 at home this season. That's exactly 2 out of 3. 2 out of 3 all season at home (.667) is a rock solid percentage.
              Bush is a very real home field advantage. Some poo-poo the home field advantage in baseball, Bush ain't the Trop where there are more Red Sox fans than Rays fans, Bush is extremely intimidating.
              They were 1-3 at Bush vs the Dodgers in 2013.Outscored 26-8.


              At the odds though you may be right about Cards being the side.I'm thinking about scalping out from LA since the line moved so much.
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              • jnickell100
                SBR MVP
                • 11-11-09
                • 4305

                #8
                Was gonna say the same thing, looks like 5 points to me. Personally, I'd add a 6th reason. Lakerboy is on the dodgers. That trumps any of your other reasons.
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                • sbrhedge
                  SBR MVP
                  • 01-18-11
                  • 1354

                  #9
                  Originally posted by jnickell100
                  Was gonna say the same thing, looks like 5 points to me. Personally, I'd add a 6th reason. Lakerboy is on the dodgers. That trumps any of your other reasons.
                  Man, Laker gets crapped on like a barn in Iowa ... but I hope that's the reason to go with STL
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                  • stevenash
                    Moderator
                    • 01-17-11
                    • 65661

                    #10
                    Originally posted by mikemca
                    They were 1-3 at Bush vs the Dodgers in 2013.Outscored 26-8.

                    I made that point, but added Kelly was the one that beat Kershaw.

                    Best of luck, hope everything you wager this weekend is gold Jerry, gold.


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                    • Louisvillekid1
                      SBR Aristocracy
                      • 10-17-07
                      • 52143

                      #11
                      Originally posted by stevenash
                      Nasher did make 5 cases for the Red Birds, yes, but two of them came off of three central points.
                      Thanks LK, yes, this Yankee fan says Cards are a very easy team to like, love the way they think 0-2 counts on them are an advantage and take the ball the other way for hits, just like they teach as an 8 year old, a 12 year old and a 16 year old.

                      I have a crush on the Red Birds too, and LK ain't exactly chopped liver either.
                      I was speaking as you, lol... Phillies fan here
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                      • stevenash
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                        • 01-17-11
                        • 65661

                        #12
                        Originally posted by sbrhedge
                        Man, Laker gets crapped on like a barn in Iowa ... but I hope that's the reason to go with STL
                        Like a back stable at Churchill Downs.

                        Say what you want about LB (and we do say a lot) he tries.
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                        • stevenash
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                          • 01-17-11
                          • 65661

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Louisvillekid1
                          I was speaking as you, lol... Phillies fan here
                          Are you a long suffering fan when Larry McWilliams toed the rubber?
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                          • Louisvillekid1
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                            • 10-17-07
                            • 52143

                            #14
                            Since I moved to philly area, over 15 years
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                            • t-wizzle
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                              • 12-18-09
                              • 38099

                              #15
                              Nice writeup.


                              I think Dodger bats will get to Kelly tonight. Really don't think he's that good.
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                              • stevenash
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                                • 01-17-11
                                • 65661

                                #16
                                Originally posted by t-wizzle
                                Nice writeup.


                                I think Dodger bats will get to Kelly tonight. Really don't think he's that good.
                                That's fine, good luck this weekend Twiz.
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                                • t-wizzle
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                                  • 12-18-09
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                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by stevenash
                                  That's fine, good luck this weekend Twiz.

                                  You too man.
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                                  • Down_Goes Bookie
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                                    • 06-18-13
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                                    #18
                                    Kelly may have a 2.69 ERA... but under the hood is a 4.19 FIP .296 BABIP and 83% strand rate. And a 1.44 WHIP at home. Last outing vs. Pirates he went 5.1 IP giving up 5 hits and 4 BBs... and wiggled out with just 2 ER. Something's gotta give.

                                    I'm not super confident in Greinke in this matchup, but still like LA to take Game 1. Good luck.
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                                    • matt1216
                                      SBR Posting Legend
                                      • 10-27-11
                                      • 14683

                                      #19
                                      This is the cardinals. They have been there done that. They should have the edge tonight. There coach knows jets has is pitching tomorrow. LA expected to win it all. Really. Last i remember the Cardinals are more clutch then kobe in his prime.... Ok maybe not that clutch but they have been to the big dance. LA hasnt
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                                      • rcene
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                                        • 12-28-12
                                        • 3036

                                        #20
                                        Good luck Nash
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                                        • stevenash
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                                          • 01-17-11
                                          • 65661

                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by Down_Goes Bookie
                                          Kelly may have a 2.69 ERA... but under the hood is a 4.19 FIP .296 BABIP and 83% strand rate. And a 1.44 WHIP at home. Last outing vs. Pirates he went 5.1 IP giving up 5 hits and 4 BBs... and wiggled out with just 2 ER. Something's gotta give.

                                          I'm not super confident in Greinke in this matchup, but still like LA to take Game 1. Good luck.
                                          Correct, Kelly is a contact pitcher, I am aware of the ancillary numbers, yes, I am not a fan of Grienke in any pressure situation.

                                          Bottom line, I am getting +121 in a pick 'em situation.

                                          I like +121 on 50/50 props.

                                          Best of luck to you as well, good post, astute post at that.
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                                          • Sam Odom
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                                            • 10-30-05
                                            • 58063

                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by No coincidences

                                            if the line drops before gametime, we're in good shape tonight. If not, we might be in trouble.


                                            Sharp

                                            .
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                                            • whtsox13
                                              SBR MVP
                                              • 05-02-12
                                              • 1401

                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by stevenash
                                              Thanks NC, however, I don't believe in line movement, reverse line movement, line movement after baby Ashley burps after drinking her formula and Zippy the puppy dog farts after eating a rawhide.

                                              I pay attention to it yes, but I don't fade line movement, I don't tail line movement.

                                              Line movement doesn't hit, catch or field the ball either.
                                              But what if I beat the closer, Nash? Don't I win?
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                                              • stevenash
                                                Moderator
                                                • 01-17-11
                                                • 65661

                                                #24
                                                [QUOTE=Sam Odom;19885922]Sharp

                                                Oh shit, it's +120 down from +121 at 5D now

                                                I'm doomed.
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                                                • stevenash
                                                  Moderator
                                                  • 01-17-11
                                                  • 65661

                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by whtsox13
                                                  But what if I beat the closer, Nash? Don't I win?
                                                  What's the bottom line?
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                                                  • Sam Odom
                                                    SBR Aristocracy
                                                    • 10-30-05
                                                    • 58063

                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by stevenash

                                                    I'm doomed.

                                                    Well... Sammy is doomed with you

                                                    This is a bigger than normal Game 1 @ home for StLou
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                                                    • stevenash
                                                      Moderator
                                                      • 01-17-11
                                                      • 65661

                                                      #27
                                                      ^
                                                      I was being sarcastic lol

                                                      @Whtesox1
                                                      Att 6:00 pm 5D was offering +121.

                                                      The number I wanted was +120 or better, I got that, I decided to lock it in right there.
                                                      If the number at 8:00 settled at +126, guess what? I did not beat closing line, providing the Cards won. Sucks to be me.
                                                      But I got the number I wanted, I did not want to play watch the line bounce up and down for 2 hours, if you got +126, great, I am thrilled I am collecting at +121
                                                      Now, if the line closes at +117, I guess I did beat the closing line 2 hours before the ump bellows 'play ball'

                                                      What I am saying is, oh sure it's nice to beat the closing line, but if you get the number you want, just bet the thing.

                                                      BoL Whitesox
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                                                      • whtsox13
                                                        SBR MVP
                                                        • 05-02-12
                                                        • 1401

                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by stevenash
                                                        ^
                                                        I was being sarcastic lol
                                                        What I am saying is, oh sure it's nice to beat the closing line, but if you get the number you want, just bet the thing.

                                                        BoL Whitesox
                                                        I was too. On the other side tonight booked LA -112 last night. Good luck dude!
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                                                        • stevenash
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                                                          • 01-17-11
                                                          • 65661

                                                          #29
                                                          Did not load right
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                                                          • stevenash
                                                            Moderator
                                                            • 01-17-11
                                                            • 65661

                                                            #30
                                                            5D closing line is 129/-119
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                                                            • MagicDiceFlow
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                                                              • 01-15-12
                                                              • 4585

                                                              #31
                                                              I'm on Cards First Five .....I think Dodgers come out sluggish after all those days off. Getting Cards at a plus number first five at home against a team that's been off for almost a week......I'll take that all day, every day.


                                                              GL guys
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                                                              • stevenash
                                                                Moderator
                                                                • 01-17-11
                                                                • 65661

                                                                #32
                                                                Great game. Got my money's worth and then some. Leaning Kershaw game 2, maybe.
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                                                                • Jago2008
                                                                  SBR MVP
                                                                  • 05-18-11
                                                                  • 3047

                                                                  #33
                                                                  Wow great write-up stevenash.

                                                                  St. Louis Cardinals have a great chance of winning this series now statistically speaking. I know that's the most ridiculously obvious thing to say, but 60% of the time it works every-time.
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