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    maersksealand
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    Obama puts Social Security, Medicare cuts on the table

    wow...Republicans and Democrats plan more taxes plus Medicare and Social Security cuts...unreal

    they won't puckin' touch the military...USA is about to become like N Korea and USSR...where the people will pucking starve...

    http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/07/0...-on-the-table/

    WASHINGTON (Reuters) - After weeks of impasse, President Barack Obama and top congressional leaders are aiming for "something big" as they resume budget talks on Thursday to avert an imminent default.
    With Republicans showing new flexibility on taxes, Democrats say Obama will push negotiators to double their target to $4 trillion (2.5 trillion pounds) in budget savings over 10 years.
    That would be an ambitious goal, but there have been a few hints of progress since talks hit a brick wall two weeks ago.
    The meeting, which takes place at the White House, is due to start at 11 a.m. EDT (4 p.m. British time) and last about an hour.
    Obama will propose cuts in Social Security and major reductions in Medicare, which mark a major shift for the White House, The Washington Post reported late on Wednesday, citing people in both parties with knowledge of the proposal.
    In exchange, Obama would seek Republican support for increasing tax revenues, the Post reported.
    Negotiators are trying to craft a deal that would allow lawmakers to say they are taking steps to keep the national debt under control even as they sign off on further borrowing.


    Failure to raise the $14.3 trillion debt ceiling by August 2 could force the country to default on debt service and other obligations, a move that could push the country back into recession and send shock waves through financial markets across the globe.
    A small team of U.S. Treasury officials are discussing options to stave off default if Congress fails to raise the debt limit by the August 2 deadline, sources familiar with the matter told Reuters.
    Senior officials, including Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner, have repeatedly said there are no contingency plans if lawmakers do not give the U.S. government the authority to borrow more money.
    But the sources said the Treasury was looking at a number of options, including whether the administration can delay payments to try and manage cash flows after August 2.
    "SOMETHING BIG"
    By the end of last week, lawmakers were weighing a scaled-back deal that would cover the country's borrowing needs in the short term but force Congress to confront the issue again in a few months, when the 2012 election season will make politically painful decisions even more difficult.
    Obama dismissed that idea on Tuesday, two days after he met secretly with the top Republican in Washington, House of Representatives Speaker John Boehner.
    "We've got a unique opportunity to do something big," he said at a news conference, where he invited top congressional leaders to Thursday's White House meeting.
    Obama's goal of $4 trillion in savings matches the figure that budget experts say is needed to keep the debt at a sustainable level. It is not clear how he would get there when the two sides have had trouble reaching half of that goal.
    Obama's proposal to restrain Social Security spending could include adjusting the measure of inflation used to determine payouts for the retirement program, the Post reported.
    In earlier sessions, negotiators identified roughly $2 trillion in spending cuts that could form the basis of a deal. Republicans walked out of those talks after Democrats called for an additional $400 billion in budget savings by ending a range of tax breaks that benefit wealthy people and certain businesses, like the oil and gas industry.
    On Wednesday, the two Republicans who were involved in those talks indicated that they could accept some "revenue raisers" in a deal.
    Senator Jon Kyl, the No. 2 Republican in the Senate, said his side had backed measures that would generate between $150 billion and $200 billion in new revenue generated by selling assets such as broadband spectrum and raising user fees.
    His counterpart in the House, Majority Leader Eric Cantor, said Republicans could support ending some of the tax breaks that Democrats have proposed in return for tax cuts elsewhere.
    Obama has proposed extending a payroll-tax cut that expires at the end of this year, which would add about $100 billion to budget deficits over the next 10 years. That cost could be offset by repealing tax breaks for ethanol producers, hedge-fund managers and oil and gas companies, or other elements Democrats have proposed.
    "This would allow Democrats to get some tax hikes in the deal and extend the payroll tax cut, but Republicans could say they didn't vote for a net tax increase," analysts at International Strategy & Investment wrote in a research note.
    Aside from Cantor and Kyl, the meeting will include Boehner, Senate Republican Leader Mitch McConnell, Senate Democratic Leader Harry Reid and House Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi.
    Democrats believe a deal needs to be in place by July 22 in order to ensure that Congress can raise the debt limit by August 2. Thursday's meeting could determine whether that is possible.
    "We're going to have a really good indication by the end of this week, early next week as to whether they're actually bearing fruit or not," Republican Senator Bob Corker told Reuters Insider.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maersksealand View Post
    wow...Republicans and Democrats plan more taxes plus Medicare and Social Security cuts...unreal

    they won't puckin' touch the military...USA is about to become like N Korea and USSR...where the people will pucking starve...
    Yes they should drastically cut military spending as well, but these small cuts to SS and Medicare aren't nearly enough. They are unsustainable ponzi schemes underfunded by $107 trillion and need to be phased out. If a person is going to literally starve because they can't take care of themself, their family won't take care of them, their friends won't take care of them, charities won't take care of them, and their local tax-exempt churches won't take care of them.....well such is life. It isn't the government's right to steal from me to support them.

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    greatest country in the world pal

    if seniors want more money they are free to get a job at walmart which is the kind of freedom they WOULD NOT HAVE living in a socialism

    and if they want even more money they are free to get a SECOND job at walmart, which is - you guessed it - ANOTHER freedom they would not have living in fukin france

    and yes we will be INCREASING army spending, got it?? why? to keep the FEAR OF GOD in punk-as* p*ssy countries like venezuela and iran so they know whose boss, and also if we feel like it to actually GO IN THERE and kick as* if we want

    thats right, deal with it pal

    also tax cuts for the rich and for wall street and oil and corporations who are the job creators - um hello every time you go for a job interview who is it with?? - A RICH GUY!! so yeah thats why we want him to pay no taxes so he will give us more job interviews and hense more jobs
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    This is what happens when you allow politicians create $14 trillion of debt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MUHerd37 View Post
    This is what happens when you allow politicians create $14 trillion of debt.
    Absolutely. Go thank your parents, grandparents, and great grandparents for being ignorant, excessively greedy, and lazy and allowing themselves to believe that the government can best provide for them thus allowing these utterly ridiculous entitlement ponzi schemes and an offensive foreign policy to go on for decades. The "greatest" generation, as they like to call themselves, were the most ignorant in America's history.

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    its so funny to listen to the lower 85% think that anything will keep them from being slaves in 20 years

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    Quote Originally Posted by jarvol View Post
    Absolutely. Go thank your parents, grandparents, and great grandparents for being ignorant, excessively greedy, and lazy and allowing themselves to believe that the government can best provide for them. The "greatest" generation, as they like to call themselves, were the most ignorant in America's history.

    Americans are still puckin' ignorant...70% of Americans are almost semi-retards...unable to think for themselfs

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    Shadow games and pure political posturing here by Obama.

    Hes not serious about any reforms, cuts or changes. The only thing of merit I saw was that he wants to make a change in the arithmetic used to calculate inflation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jarvol View Post
    Absolutely. Go thank your parents, grandparents, and great grandparents for being ignorant, excessively greedy, and lazy and allowing themselves to believe that the government can best provide for them thus allowing these utterly ridiculous entitlement ponzi schemes and an offensive foreign policy to go on for decades. The "greatest" generation, as they like to call themselves, were the most ignorant in America's history.
    Haven't seen any great awakening from this mentality... Only person in Washington I see who BOTH speaks AND votes towards changing this is Ron Paul and we seen the results he has been able to achieve...

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    Ron Paul Issues Statement on Debt-Ceiling Scheme

    LAKE JACKSON, Texas-Today, 2012 Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul issued a statement strongly opposing a proposed deal on the debt-ceiling that is rumored to be in the works between the Obama administration and Republican House leaders. See statement below.

    “Sources in Washington tell me that House Republican Speaker John Boehner is considering a deal to raise taxes as part of a debt limit 'deal.'

    “In fact, reports are they may be ready to cave in to Barack Obama's demands for a trillion dollars in tax increases in exchange for mostly phony spending and tax cuts in order to raise the debt ceiling.

    “House Republicans would be foolish to go for this ploy and be taken in by the Obama administration, only to leave American taxpayers on the hook again for more out-of-control government spending.

    “The Democrats pulled a similar maneuver during Ronald Reagan's presidency, a deal that promised 2 to 1 spending cuts in exchange for tax increases. Taxes went up, but the cuts never came. They did it again in 1990, promising much the same deal, and delivering only on their tax increases.

    “In Washington, if you hear about a so-called deal, you can be sure the taxes will come, but the cuts never will.

    “Republicans cannot take the bait and get fooled again."

    “This is exactly why I was the first Presidential candidate to sign on to the Cut, Cap, and Balance Pledge -- because we cannot continue to steer our country down this road to ruin with a massive federal budget and unchecked spending. We need to change course right now.

    “Agreeing to this scheme by the White House would be a betrayal of the voters who put Republicans back in charge of the House in 2010.

    “Those in Congress who agree must stand firm and not give in to Obama and the big-spending Washington crowd.

    “I will stand with the people, and urge leadership to do the same and fight against raising taxes, no matter what.”

    For more information on Congressman Ron Paul’s Presidential Campaign visit www.RonPaul2012.com.

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    No need to do this. Ron Paul has figured it out. We will default our debt to China and Japan and erase our trillion dollar deficit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jarvol View Post
    Yes they should drastically cut military spending as well, but these small cuts to SS and Medicare aren't nearly enough. They are unsustainable ponzi schemes underfunded by $107 trillion and need to be phased out. If a person is going to literally starve because they can't take care of themself, their family won't take care of them, their friends won't take care of them, charities won't take care of them, and their local tax-exempt churches won't take care of them.....well such is life. It isn't the government's right to steal from me to support them.

    What do you do for a living guy??

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    I wish we could elect to not want any money from this default government later in life. You know they'll **** it up.

    It's a good thing we also cut education. Don't want the future to get too smart and maybe have solutions to problems around here.

    **** I'm getting ready to leave this country. The finances are only getting worse and worse. In the end lots of things will have to be cut for a while till we can get back to 0.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maersksealand View Post


    Americans are still puckin' ignorant...70% of Americans are almost semi-retards...unable to think for themselfs
    I disagree. It's more like 90%.

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    I hope they get rid of social security. Utterly stupid. Instead of social security, force employee's to put 4% of income into retirement with a 50% company match. Company's already match social security taxes this would be cheaper and with compound interest everyone would retire a multi millionaire.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UntilTheNDofTimE View Post
    I hope they get rid of social security. Utterly stupid. Instead of social security, force employee's to put 4% of income into retirement with a 50% company match. Company's already match social security taxes this would be cheaper and with compound interest everyone would retire a multi millionaire.
    doesn't address the answer/problem concerning the folks who contributed all their lives, some of them an upwards of 45-50 years..........guess you just want them to give all that up ??

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    Quote Originally Posted by THE HITMAN View Post
    doesn't address the answer/problem concerning the folks who contributed all their lives, some of them an upwards of 45-50 years..........guess you just want them to give all that up ??
    Like anything you weed it in. Didn't say you absolutely stop it. Im in my early 20's and i don't see how anyone cant be a millionaire in there 50's with all these tax deferred accounts and compound interest. I think people are way too reliant on government aided programs. The whole workforce really needs a makeover.

    Shit 30 bucks a week can make you financially independent in your retirement.

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