Should sbr be reponsible in reimbursing players?

**Big Bear** · 12-18-12, 11:34 PM

Originally posted by playersonly69

Not at all.

sbr had nothing to do with it

Exactly yall sound like a bunch of democrats looking for handouts. SBR dont owe anyone shit

**CollegePro** · 12-18-12, 11:42 PM

sbr don't owe anything but we owe apology. not like apology will do anything to players who lost thousands of dollars.. but the fact that they hide the problem betislands had which SBR already knew about it... just sick

**rm18** · 12-18-12, 11:52 PM

100k point tourney right after BI goes down they knew

**Smoke** · 12-18-12, 11:57 PM

So SBR had no idea that "Jon" is former SBR poster SSLP?

**ebbearsfb1** · 12-19-12, 12:01 AM

Unreal.. like 80 threads on b.I.... smoke wheres your thread?..
The players need funds..
Its Christmas time.. little bear can't get a new bike this year..

Little smoke won't get new toys..

.. haha offering an apology what a slap in the face

**Smoke** · 12-19-12, 12:04 AM

Originally posted by ebbearsfb1

Unreal.. like 80 threads on b.I.... smoke wheres your thread?..
The players need funds..
Its Christmas time.. little bear can't get a new bike this year..

Little smoke won't get new toys..

.. haha offering an apology what a slap in the face

No need for new thread

I was paid half my balance 2 weeks ago

The other half is goin to *************** with whatever rollover

Will find out in morning

Cheers

**billysink** · 12-19-12, 12:54 AM

Originally posted by KGambler

SBR claimed, time and again, that they had confirmed that Betislands' ownership group was well funded and well respected in the industry.

They now need to tell us who these "established" "financially secure" industry insiders are. We need to know what other books they have been or are associated with.

SBR owes us at least that much.

I am certain that most watchdog sites knew there was going to be a big problem in the industry especially with anything Jazz related on or around October 25. Two of the individuals who went down in that sting were the money behind all Jazz entities. The shell game started that day. The software was seized days later. The street and agent money dried up immediately and the lifeline to that activity was cut which cut the cash flow to nothing. Anyone who knew the who's who behind the scenes knew it was coming.

**Cuse0323** · 12-19-12, 01:02 AM

SBR_John is probably on vacation with Jon paying for some ladies since he could never land one without money, this place is a joookeeeeee.

**Al Masters** · 12-19-12, 02:06 AM

Originally posted by SBR_John

You really think SBR didn't comment to get an extra week of advertising? That's insulting but ok. We were fed a constant diet of everything is ok, we have new processing, payments will go out tomorrow, we always pay blah blah. Even up until Sunday we were assured payments would go out Monday. This morning they were still trying to buy another day and trying to convince us everything was fine. In hindsight we should of hit the panic button sooner. We all wish they would have followed through and got payments going instead of lying through their teeth.

John

Poster bubba got caught for 50k in this fiasco, why not send the
poor guy a box of ipads and a few segways in the spirit of the season.

Pretty safe to assume this bullet he took has fuccked up his Christmas season.

**billysink** · 12-19-12, 02:17 AM

Originally posted by SBR_John

You really think SBR didn't comment to get an extra week of advertising? That's insulting but ok. We were fed a constant diet of everything is ok, we have new processing, payments will go out tomorrow, we always pay blah blah. Even up until Sunday we were assured payments would go out Monday. This morning they were still trying to buy another day and trying to convince us everything was fine. In hindsight we should of hit the panic button sooner. We all wish they would have followed through and got payments going instead of lying through their teeth.

John you know exactly who the "deep pockets" ownership of the site was. This crock about them (BI) feeding you information is BS. You knew very well that this book (and anything else tied to Jazz and the Actionware software used in the US to track bets for these books) took a shit that day (Oct 25) and was not gonna bounce back. You can't play like you don't have your ear to the ground at all times. You are very well aware how money moves in this business and that money was not gonna move any longer to those affiliated.

Come on now. They were on the clock with you that day.

**SamDiamond** · 12-19-12, 08:12 AM

Originally posted by SBR_John

You really think SBR didn't comment to get an extra week of advertising? That's insulting but ok. We were fed a constant diet of everything is ok, we have new processing, payments will go out tomorrow, we always pay blah blah. Even up until Sunday we were assured payments would go out Monday. This morning they were still trying to buy another day and trying to convince us everything was fine. In hindsight we should of hit the panic button sooner. We all wish they would have followed through and got payments going instead of lying through their teeth.

John, isn't your site called "SPORTSBOOK REVIEW", and don't you hang your hat on being a player's advocate?

Who the hell has the responsibility at SBR to be the actual watchdog.

Because they failed miserably. MISERABLY. And it wouldn't hurt for someone at SBR to say "Hey guys, we're sorry we failed you".

Instead, you're crying about being lied to.

The difference? Your pockets are lined with cash from BI. Your posters-- not so much.

**wrongturn** · 12-19-12, 09:06 AM

SBR, think about what made you stand out to be the most popular forum from all other likes, and you let it ruined in just one day? Is that the direction you want to go??? You will lose more than these BI players lost in the long term.

**Monte** · 12-19-12, 09:14 AM

Originally posted by Smoke

So SBR had no idea that "Jon" is former SBR poster SSLP?

That is who was hiding behind this Jon lie?
Hilarious, i think there is a message here...your forum hero tough guys are probably all the biggest assholes in life, while the "fat fukk" you constantly make fun of could be a honest person. Think about this for a second, maybe at least the forum culture can gain something out of this disaster.

**tblues2005** · 12-19-12, 09:55 AM

Hey John are you hiding this morning somewhere? I am shocked you are not responding to some of this.

That is a good resolution here is to send an ipad to some of these members that lost bad because of this. They could use it as a tax write off before the end of the year.

**milwaukee mike** · 12-19-12, 10:00 AM

Originally posted by Monte

That is who was hiding behind this Jon lie?
Hilarious, i think there is a message here...your forum hero tough guys are probably all the biggest assholes in life, while the "fat fukk" you constantly make fun of could be a honest person. Think about this for a second, maybe at least the forum culture can gain something out of this disaster.

this was posted all over the place back in march 2011. i had his picture posted but strangely enough sbr took it down yesterday...

**milwaukee mike** · 12-19-12, 10:02 AM

Originally posted by tblues2005

Hey John are you hiding this morning somewhere? I am shocked you are not responding to some of this.

That is a good resolution here is to send an ipad to some of these members that lost bad because of this. They could use it as a tax write off before the end of the year.

who could use it as a tax write off? gambling losses can only be used to offset winnings. i suppose people could claim it as a "non-business bad debt" which shows up as a schedule d short-term capital loss. max of $3000/year, if i were claiming it i would just write non-business bad debt rather than "costa rica gambling operation stole my money".

**ApricotSinner32** · 12-19-12, 10:03 AM

Walker doesnt know how to handle this situation. He has no good excuses here. JJ would have a fuking fit over this. I'm sure hes glad to be gone now. CHEERS

**tblues2005** · 12-19-12, 10:05 AM

Originally posted by milwaukee mike

who could use it as a tax write off? gambling losses can only be used to offset winnings. i suppose people could claim it as a "non-business bad debt" which shows up as a schedule d short-term capital loss. max of $3000/year, if i were claiming it i would just write non-business bad debt rather than "costa rica gambling operation stole my money".

It's in another country so you don't know for sure what the tax laws are there now. Yes it is counted as a business expense. The stuff comes from Costa Rica don't it?

Not for the player that is a tax write off it is SBR tax write off.

**tblues2005** · 12-19-12, 10:06 AM

Originally posted by milwaukee mike

this was posted all over the place back in march 2011. i had his picture posted but strangely enough sbr took it down yesterday...

If you kept a copy of it then you can use it still though wouldn't you?

**capitalist pig** · 12-19-12, 10:09 AM

This should be a wake up call to all that play offshore, anywhere you have $ it's always at possible risk. There isn't any 100 percent safe book out there. I m glad I didn't have $ @ BI.

Later

**tblues2005** · 12-19-12, 10:14 AM

I agree capitalist on what you are saying here. You just have to go with the ones you have had no problems with. I am just appalled by SBR on this and that may just need to have more time here to figure out what to here. I am glad I had no funds there either.

**milwaukee mike** · 12-19-12, 10:16 AM

Originally posted by tblues2005

If you kept a copy of it then you can use it still though wouldn't you?

there is still a picture of him on sbr, look for a white version of monta ellis

yes i have at least one or two pictures, but i can't post them without getting banned

**Monitor-Tan** · 12-19-12, 10:19 AM

Should tobacco companies be liable for every lung cancer there is related to smoking? Should guns all be illegal with the shooting that took place?

It really sucks for all that got screwed from this scandal, but ultimately the choice was yours to make to either deposit or not, nobody bent your arms to deposit there and BI wasn't the only book for US customers..

**SamDiamond** · 12-19-12, 10:25 AM

Originally posted by ApricotSinner32

Walker doesnt know how to handle this situation. He has no good excuses here. JJ would have a fuking fit over this. I'm sure hes glad to be gone now. CHEERS

Yeah, as good a businessman as SBR_John is-- and he is, he sucks at being able to control a situation like this. His posts were bizarre, and Dozer and Lou didn't help him. Oh, and Justin. He's hiding.

It was comical. You had Dozer dropping BI's grade to "C" yesterday while BI had already closed up shop. John's common sense prevailed and it was dropped to "F".

But then it got wacky. They decided to let "Jon" post an apology. Serious guys? You thought that was a good idea?

SBR never really apologized for the delay (BandtheBook saw this fiasco with BI a month ago), and while SBR got their money---the angle they used was "we were lied to as well". Really?

I think I'll offer my P.R. services for free, so they can get this issue behind them.

Rule #1. Don't hide.

Rule #2. See Rule #1, and get out in front of it.

Rule #3. Be honest.

**SamDiamond** · 12-19-12, 10:30 AM

Originally posted by Monitor-Tan

Should tobacco companies be liable for every lung cancer there is related to smoking? Should guns all be illegal with the shooting that took place?

It really sucks for all that got screwed from this scandal, but ultimately the choice was yours to make to either deposit or not, nobody bent your arms to deposit there and BI wasn't the only book for US customers..

That's not really an accurate analogy.

SBR-- is a site that has earned or attempted to earn its stake by reviewing and recommending to its posting community which books are safe and which are not. They either directly (through SBR's Pro program) or indirectly (contest participation) endorse the books they fly banner ads for.

I think it's a reasonable position to make that if SBR has BI as a contest sponsor, the posting community should expect their money to be safe. And the moment it's not-- inform said community.

SBR failed on those fronts.

If you want to use cigarette smoking in your analogy, do it this way. If your physician prescribed you to smoke a pack a day for 4 years-- telling you that there is limited risk, and the physician feels so good about the company, that he's letting the tobacco company sponsor his annual office party----and you got sick as a result of that, I would think the doc has some responsibility toward you.

**raydog** · 12-19-12, 10:37 AM

Originally posted by ApricotSinner32

Walker doesnt know how to handle this situation. He has no good excuses here. JJ would have a fuking fit over this. I'm sure hes glad to be gone now. CHEERS

what do you want to hear, patty? the book fukked them too...they might have known a week earlier that things were not good...that was too late anyways...you dont go throwing names and busting up shops in c.r. before they do the damage to themselves...its not healthy...you think they are happy about this?

... the-rx has been through this time and time again...shit happens and it happens fast sometimes...i feel bad for guys who have money in limbo here, but the level of ignorance is at an all time high with certain posters right now...and this thread certainly doesnt do the board any good either.

**gryfyn1** · 12-19-12, 10:40 AM

Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

**tblues2005** · 12-19-12, 10:47 AM

Originally posted by SamDiamond

Yeah, as good a businessman as SBR_John is-- and he is, he sucks at being able to control a situation like this. His posts were bizarre, and Dozer and Lou didn't help him. Oh, and Justin. He's hiding.

It was comical. You had Dozer dropping BI's grade to "C" yesterday while BI had already closed up shop. John's common sense prevailed and it was dropped to "F".

But then it got wacky. They decided to let "Jon" post an apology. Serious guys? You thought that was a good idea?

SBR never really apologized for the delay (BandtheBook saw this fiasco with BI a month ago), and while SBR got their money---the angle they used was "we were lied to as well". Really?

I think I'll offer my P.R. services for free, so they can get this issue behind them.

Rule #1. Don't hide.

Rule #2. See Rule #1, and get out in front of it.

Rule #3. Be honest.

Your right Sam that is the way this should be handled. They may be right now working on trying to get a buyer for this book and I hope that they can get it done. That may be why we haven't heard anything from them so far today.

**tblues2005** · 12-19-12, 10:48 AM

Originally posted by milwaukee mike

there is still a picture of him on sbr, look for a white version of monta ellis

yes i have at least one or two pictures, but i can't post them without getting banned

Yes I didn't think about that. I would be careful on that issue.

**milwaukee mike** · 12-19-12, 10:55 AM

Originally posted by raydog

what do you want to hear, patty? the book fukked them too...they might have known a week earlier that things were not good...that was too late anyways...you dont go throwing names and busting up shops in c.r. before they do the damage to themselves...its not healthy...you think they are happy about this?

... the-rx has been through this time and time again...shit happens and it happens fast sometimes...i feel bad for guys who have money in limbo here, but the level of ignorance is at an all time high with certain posters right now...and this thread certainly doesnt do the board any good either.

why would they have only known a week earlier when jon fired almost the entire staff before november 6th, and that information was posted here and not denied?

**raydog** · 12-19-12, 10:59 AM

Originally posted by milwaukee mike

why would they have only known a week earlier when jon fired almost the entire staff before november 6th, and that information was posted here and not denied?

yet they were still paying then...im saying even if sbr knew something bad was going to happen a week before the board got real suspicious, it wouldnt have done any good...funds still fukked...i would like to know how much money has been deposited in the last 2 weeks, myself

**milwaukee mike** · 12-19-12, 11:02 AM

Originally posted by raydog

...im saying even if sbr knew something bad was going to happen a week before the board got real suspicious, it wouldnt have done any good...funds still fukked...i would like to know how much money has been deposited in the last 2 weeks, myself

my point was just that they either knew, or had very good reason to know, back in the november 6th-11th time period. time frame is the only thing i was arguing with, saying they knew for more than a week yet still had them as a B rated book and the banner was still flying even after it was well known that it was deposit only.

i am also curious as to how many deposits they received since november 6th and for how much, that is the only thing that could've really been prevented by sbr.

**tblues2005** · 12-19-12, 11:05 AM

Originally posted by milwaukee mike

my point was just that they either knew, or had very good reason to know, back in the november 6th-11th time period. time frame is the only thing i was arguing with, saying they knew for more than a week yet still had them as a B rated book and the banner was still flying even after it was well known that it was deposit only.

i am also curious as to how many deposits they received since november 6th and for how much, that is the only thing that could've really been prevented by sbr.

I totally agree and SBR should have acted then. I think they were being slow about this and they may have been told that it would be handled soon. I still think it should have brought out red flags and they should have put a warning out to players on what was happening.

**Monitor-Tan** · 12-19-12, 11:11 AM

Originally posted by SamDiamond

That's not really an accurate analogy.

SBR-- is a site that has earned or attempted to earn its stake by reviewing and recommending to its posting community which books are safe and which are not. They either directly (through SBR's Pro program) or indirectly (contest participation) endorse the books they fly banner ads for.

I think it's a reasonable position to make that if SBR has BI as a contest sponsor, the posting community should expect their money to be safe. And the moment it's not-- inform said community.

SBR failed on those fronts.

If you want to use cigarette smoking in your analogy, do it this way. If your physician prescribed you to smoke a pack a day for 4 years-- telling you that there is limited risk, and the physician feels so good about the company, that he's letting the tobacco company sponsor his annual office party----and you got sick as a result of that, I would think the doc has some responsibility toward you.

Solid point, I do feel that SBR was a bit "tame" with their apology. There were literally hundreds and hundreds of post until we heard anything from SBR and I think that was a pretty bad move..

I really feel bad for everyone who lost their money in this scam. It's hard enough to win in this game let alone to even get paid..

I remember SBR having a little banner that said "don't risk getting paid" or something like that and this happens..

I'm sure there are a lot of people who do trust SBR for the books and I am too but not with BI but with Legends.

I hope something positive happens but by the looks of things, a lot of people are going to take it up the butt..

I feel that SBR needs to come out stronger and make a solid point and issue a more of a formal statement and an apology, but other then that what more can SBR really do?

**raydog** · 12-19-12, 11:11 AM

what im saying is that just because there are employee issues, you cant necessarily start assuming there are money issues...im just going by what has been in threads from back then...werent they still paying fine(or okay) up until just a few weeks ago?