Should sbr be reponsible in reimbursing players?

**Mikail** · 12-18-12, 03:55 PM

Originally posted by Naz18

SBR is here just as a guideline..

So do you think there doing a good job at guiding?

**SBR_John** · 12-18-12, 03:56 PM

BI was a very popular book here and we gave them very few contests and other promotional ad buys. They still came in 5th in the poster poll beating out A+ books.

In the aftermath we need to do more starting with not allowing B rated books to be advertised or become forum darlings. In most cases they have not passed the test of time. BI had great service, was growing and had fast payouts and I believe were fairly rated considering their performance. But as they grew they changed offices and software and mismanaged themselves. Terrible ending to a once promising book.

**tblues2005** · 12-18-12, 03:59 PM

I would like to know if John has an account with them and if he had any funds there.

**PAULYPOKER** · 12-18-12, 04:12 PM

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**dmtrader** · 12-18-12, 04:14 PM

Originally posted by SBR_John

BI was a very popular book here and we gave them very few contests and other promotional ad buys. They still came in 5th in the poster poll beating out A+ books.

In the aftermath we need to do more starting with not allowing B rated books to be advertised or become forum darlings. In most cases they have not passed the test of time. BI had great service, was growing and had fast payouts and I believe were fairly rated considering their performance. But as they grew they changed offices and software and mismanaged themselves. Terrible ending to a once promising book.

There are so few offshore books remaining (at least for US players), what are you going to do, John? You can't police all of their back office functions, cash flow, etc. There is no legal recourse for these off shore books.

If you deposit your $ in an offshore book, you are risking your capital. Plain and simple. If it is worth it to you to take that risk in order to be able to gamble, go ahead. Otherwise move to Las Vegas or write your congressman and ask him to introduce a bill legalizing off shore gambling.

**KGambler** · 12-18-12, 04:20 PM

Originally posted by SBR_John

BI was a very popular book here and we gave them very few contests and other promotional ad buys. They still came in 5th in the poster poll beating out A+ books.

In the aftermath we need to do more starting with not allowing B rated books to be advertised or become forum darlings. In most cases they have not passed the test of time. BI had great service, was growing and had fast payouts and I believe were fairly rated considering their performance. But as they grew they changed offices and software and mismanaged themselves. Terrible ending to a once promising book.

All well and good, but you left out the part where SBR "confirmed" that BI's owner was a well established bookmaker with a solid reputation in the industry, and that the ownership group was financially secure. It was stated time and again that this is why you upgraded them so quickly. It wasn't because posters liked them and it wasn't because they survived a couple football seasons.

What other books are these backers involved with? Tell us about their ownership group so we know which books to avoid in the future. Or was that whole confirmation line just total bullshit?

**SBR_John** · 12-18-12, 04:24 PM

Originally posted by tblues2005

I would like to know if John has an account with them and if he had any funds there.

Absolutely not. No free plays or any kind of wager.

I can be held accountable for SBR's role in allowing them to advertise. However I never said a good word about them in my 15k posts that I can remember. I have always told anyone that would listen to play with A rated books, preferably A+ rated books.

We debate ratings all time around here. Most posters thought BI was under rated for example. Most think BOL is over rated. But there is almost zero debate on the A+ group. Two days ago I got jumped for saying there are better books than GTBets, which is also rated B.

Of course having said that, SBR is at fault for allowing a B rated book to advertise in the first place. Plus we inferred that B rated and higher are safe books. We have some work to do and have to accept our role in this mess.

**KGambler** · 12-18-12, 04:31 PM

Yes, your site specifically says that you reccomend playing at books rated B and higher.

Let's talk about the mysterious, deep pocketed owner you "confirmed" as being behind BI.

Or we can talk about how you helped BI cover up their relationship with EZstreet.

Or how you knew BI's owner was arrested in October.

Or you can just keep rambling about the price of tea in china.

**Naz18** · 12-18-12, 04:32 PM

Originally posted by Mikail

So do you think there doing a good job at guiding?

I guess not...but they don't owe us anything....we as the gambler assume the risk when we deposit the money. You can bash SBR all you want but they're not responsible for reimbursing funds because a book is going to stiff.

**Naz18** · 12-18-12, 04:34 PM

Originally posted by ApricotSinner32

Betislands blew up with clientele because of sbr's verbal backing. If sbr was a guideline they guided many off of a virtual gambling cliff

CHEERS WALKER!

Well then it will hurt SBRs business...I'm sure no one is more upset then SBR...

**allabout the $$$** · 12-18-12, 05:12 PM

ive noticed there is no response about the well respected financial backer that sbr said that bet islands had why is this?

also how is it that other watchdog sites knew bet islands was in financial trouble but not sbr? is it because you kept receiving your affiliate checks that you guys didnt give a shit?

**GamblerSpirit** · 12-18-12, 05:17 PM

I was under the impression sbr is here to help us avoid these scam books, i guess money talks louder. Shame on sbr for supporting these sham gambling outlets.

**opie1988** · 12-18-12, 05:22 PM

Did Patty ever finish paying those points that he stiffed St Jude's Childrens Hospital?

**paranoyd androyd** · 12-18-12, 05:26 PM

Originally posted by KGambler

Yes, your site specifically says that you reccomend playing at books rated B and higher.

Let's talk about the mysterious, deep pocketed owner you "confirmed" as being behind BI.

Or we can talk about how you helped BI cover up their relationship with EZstreet.

Or how you knew BI's owner was arrested in October.

Or you can just keep rambling about the price of tea in china.

it doesn't look like you'll be getting a response on this one

**tblues2005** · 12-18-12, 05:33 PM

Originally posted by SBR_John

Absolutely not. No free plays or any kind of wager.

I can be held accountable for SBR's role in allowing them to advertise. However I never said a good word about them in my 15k posts that I can remember. I have always told anyone that would listen to play with A rated books, preferably A+ rated books.

We debate ratings all time around here. Most posters thought BI was under rated for example. Most think BOL is over rated. But there is almost zero debate on the A+ group. Two days ago I got jumped for saying there are better books than GTBets, which is also rated B.

Of course having said that, SBR is at fault for allowing a B rated book to advertise in the first place. Plus we inferred that B rated and higher are safe books. We have some work to do and have to accept our role in this mess.

I understand John why you don't have an account with them. This would be a problem. I wanted to get the facts straight with them. I never seen you recommend them at all. I do think there was a mistake making advertising for them and then people went there thinking they were safe and they weren't. This is where SBR should come out with a video talking about this and what they are trying to do for the players on this. I recommend trying to find a buyer for them first and go from there. If you cannot succeed that then go to plan B. I think players need to be patient here and they will be taken care of one way or another.

Let this be a lesson for the players and SBR and be more careful on where you play at and who you accept advertising money from. I do think with SBR taking any money from these people should be refunded to the members that was misled and at least they got something in return and that will help their image and being honest about this. I would consider giving points to those that had funds there and based on what they had there. That would let the pros feel better because you messed up. Kind of like what politicians do in certain cases.

**horja1** · 12-18-12, 05:34 PM

Originally posted by ApricotSinner32

With all of the advertising revenue betislands payed sbr?

No ... I almost made a deposit at BI but not because of SBR rating but because of those many very nice threads and comments about BI posted by other people playing there ... actually I was a little confused about the SBR rating for BI (only B+), considering the nice words people always used about BI

**allabout the $$$** · 12-18-12, 05:37 PM

Originally posted by Naz18

Well then it will hurt SBRs business...I'm sure no one is more upset then SBR...

do you really think sbr gives a shit? they got their affiliate checks and they just replaced the banner with a different book to get checks from. if they were upset they would be answering questions in this thread they keep ignoring

**GamblerSpirit** · 12-18-12, 05:40 PM

Originally posted by KGambler

All well and good, but you left out the part where SBR "confirmed" that BI's owner was a well established bookmaker with a solid reputation in the industry, and that the ownership group was financially secure. It was stated time and again that this is why you upgraded them so quickly. It wasn't because posters liked them and it wasn't because they survived a couple football seasons.

What other books are these backers involved with? Tell us about their ownership group so we know which
books to avoid in the future. Or was that whole confirmation line just total bullshit?

**InTheDrink** · 12-18-12, 06:35 PM

Originally posted by King Mayan

I have a 00.01 balance at betislands..

I demand my money hijodeputas.

Who knew the balance would be as long as your cok?

oh and anyone looking for a friendly local?

**Boner_18** · 12-18-12, 06:39 PM

I'm not sure you understand how advertising works.

**thetrinity** · 12-18-12, 06:48 PM

theres risks everywhere in this business. i never used bet islands once, i stayed with a local and at a+ books only after i learned a lesson using beted.

**boeing power** · 12-18-12, 07:10 PM

Originally posted by thetrinity

theres risks everywhere in this business. i never used bet islands once, i stayed with a local and at a+ books only after i learned a lesson using beted.

You're right.

But SBR dropped the ball here and looked out for bet islands interests rather than the player .

SBR knew long before last night that BI was in trouble but they said nothing because of advertising money.

**Doug** · 12-18-12, 07:14 PM

Originally posted by tblues2005

First thing that SBR should do is put out a video and explain the players of what happened here and then figure out what is fair to send out checks to people that had balances there from what they received in advertisements from them. I would do something like this to let everyone know that SBR is for the players when it comes to this and they got a bad advertiser.

SBR can't do that.....they are having processer issues at this time .....

**SBR_John** · 12-18-12, 07:24 PM

Originally posted by boeing power

You're right.

But SBR dropped the ball here and looked out for bet islands interests rather than the player .

SBR knew long before last night that BI was in trouble but they said nothing because of advertising money.

You really think SBR didn't comment to get an extra week of advertising? That's insulting but ok. We were fed a constant diet of everything is ok, we have new processing, payments will go out tomorrow, we always pay blah blah. Even up until Sunday we were assured payments would go out Monday. This morning they were still trying to buy another day and trying to convince us everything was fine. In hindsight we should of hit the panic button sooner. We all wish they would have followed through and got payments going instead of lying through their teeth.

**High3rEl3m3nt** · 12-18-12, 07:33 PM

If it was a mistake to let BI advertise here, then shouldn't it be a mistake to let a scam tout service do the same thing?

**ebbearsfb1** · 12-18-12, 07:36 PM

Lesson learned to all its no longer your money wants it leaves your pocket.. and it's not yoursvuntil it's in your pocket again..
Hope posters get funds

**Naz18** · 12-18-12, 07:39 PM

Originally posted by High3rEl3m3nt

If it was a mistake to let BI advertise here, then shouldn't it be a mistake to let a scam tout service do the same thing?

No because they provide picks and you pay money....their is no guarantee your going to make a profit but that is the business model.

**High3rEl3m3nt** · 12-18-12, 07:42 PM

Naz, maybe you missed Justin7's recent thread, where he exposes one of SBR advertisers for selling complete malarky, and not in the same manner that Brandon Lang sells. This service and its lies make Lang look like Jimmy Stewart.

**Doug** · 12-18-12, 07:48 PM

The thing is these books spend the post-up funds like it is their money before it is even lost. These owners probably have seven figures of stolen money in some secure bank account somewhere and will re-open with a new name. NFL season winding down, so a good time to run off with the money, too ! You can't trust any book as an American these days !

**Monte** · 12-18-12, 08:02 PM

Originally posted by SBR_John

BI was a very popular book here and we gave them very few contests and other promotional ad buys. They still came in 5th in the poster poll beating out A+ books.

In the aftermath we need to do more starting with not allowing B rated books to be advertised or become forum darlings. In most cases they have not passed the test of time. BI had great service, was growing and had fast payouts and I believe were fairly rated considering their performance. But as they grew they changed offices and software and mismanaged themselves. Terrible ending to a once promising book.

Be a man and pay all these people here then.
We all know you own millions

**Big Bear** · 12-18-12, 08:05 PM

What about posters who only bet "air" like laker boy?

**tblues2005** · 12-18-12, 08:07 PM

I think your dreaming Monte. Good luck though.

**allabout the $$$** · 12-18-12, 10:30 PM

Originally posted by SBR_John

You really think SBR didn't comment to get an extra week of advertising? That's insulting but ok. We were fed a constant diet of everything is ok, we have new processing, payments will go out tomorrow, we always pay blah blah. Even up until Sunday we were assured payments would go out Monday. This morning they were still trying to buy another day and trying to convince us everything was fine. In hindsight we should of hit the panic button sooner. We all wish they would have followed through and got payments going instead of lying through their teeth.

i have a connection down there and was told the writing has been on the wall for weeks. jon was a marketing guy trying to handle the day to day operations of a sportsbook it bit him in the ass. ive even heard that jon is on the street claiming he didnt take anyones money. probably 80% of the customer base was from sbr.

**pavyracer** · 12-18-12, 10:49 PM

Originally posted by SBR_John

You really think SBR didn't comment to get an extra week of advertising? That's insulting but ok. We were fed a constant diet of everything is ok, we have new processing, payments will go out tomorrow, we always pay blah blah. Even up until Sunday we were assured payments would go out Monday. This morning they were still trying to buy another day and trying to convince us everything was fine. In hindsight we should of hit the panic button sooner. We all wish they would have followed through and got payments going instead of lying through their teeth.

I'm not going to tell you how to do your job but couldn't you plant a mole or pay one of their employees to fess up? As a watchdog you have to be pro-active and try to find if something is wrong with a book. I mean you advertise yourself as a watchdog. Off course the book is going to tell you everything is fine. Even the captain of the Titanic was telling the passengers everything was fine while the ship was sinking.

**Killer_Demo** · 12-18-12, 11:24 PM

Deposit at your own risk. But DAMN you would at least think SBR grades would count for SOMETHING...but now we all know