or do we have to wait another week for that to happen
zero trust in this fake arse defense
stay tuned
44 Mag
BARRELED IN @ SBR!
10-14-13
34490
#2
Originally posted by Believe_EMT
or do we have to wait another week for that to happen
zero trust in this fake arse defense
stay tuned
Side Bet: 100 bet points ????
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mgcolby
SBR Wise Guy
10-19-07
950
#3
Amazing what people will delude themselves into believing. Beyond that this is a betting forum, if you can't bet with neutrality then you probably shouldn't bet, unless of course you are rich and money is no object.
The defense going back to the SB, so 8 games, has allowed 30 points. 30 points in a half season of football in the NFL. I don't care who they have played it's still the NFL.
Baker will look, not as bad as Darnold, probably, but he will look bad next week too. He will be overhyped, he will press and make a bunch of mistakes.
For the record the Patriots opponents average 19.6 PPG against their other opponents. The Pats defense is allowing 3.9 PPG, 27 points in 7 games. New England has given up 48 points total on the season. 3 TDs have have come from a pick 6, a fumble recovery for a TD and a muffed punt recovered in the endzone. Again I don't care who you are playing 3 TD's and 2 FG's, allowed, one game shy of a half of season is unlike anything the league has seen in the SB era.
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Believe_EMT
SBR Wise Guy
03-31-19
508
#4
let's establish that 7 games is not half a season before we go any further.
no delusion here sir. had NE 9.5, had Under 43 and of course
NE Patriots @ NY JetsFootball / NFL
Oct 21, 2019, 8:15 PM
Total Points by Home Team
Under 16.5
-109
Result: Under
one could make the argument the NFL has not seen this level of ineptness from teams in the SB era.
we should ignore the part where Buffalo, the only offense they faced with a rank higher than 24 (they're 17th) raked them for 375 yards? they were a cheap shot away from losing that game.
my point is they are the most average 7-0 team in the history of the NFL. their QB is old with limited mobility. their o-line is suspect, they have no deep WR threat.
i know they can only play the games on their schedule, but the offensive ranks of opponents:
28, 31, 32, 17 (shredded for 375 yards), 29, 24, 32.
the point of this thread is to recognize the creation of value and how best to exploit it. i'm cheering the crap out of the Pats next week. i might even buy a jersey. i pray and hope they shut Cleveland out.
because when Baltimore puts up 400 yards and 27 or so points on them, i'll be cashing tickets while kool-aid drinkers are scratching their heads trying to figure out what happen.
they'll rebound against crap Phi and Dal offenses before getting blasted again by the Texans.
learn to spot value and act on it.
so you can keep stroking off the Pats' collective penii, but you should have the intelligence to at least pause and consider what it means that, if we remove the Buffalo game, the Pats have beat teams with a combined 6 - 26 record.
If Allen stays in that game, do the Bills win?
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Believe_EMT
SBR Wise Guy
03-31-19
508
#5
Originally posted by 44 Mag
Side Bet: 100 bet points ????
i don't gamble
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mgcolby
SBR Wise Guy
10-19-07
950
#6
You state zero trust in this fake ass defense, title the thread is this the weak the Pat's defense gets exposed....Yet you bet on them? Yeah that's some BS. Admit it you saw them move the ball against the Cowboys defense and figured they had something.
I didn't say 7 games makes a half a season. I clearly stated 8 games by going back to the superbowl they have allowed 30 points in 8 games.
I suppose you could, but other years have had a lot of ineptness i.e. 2006, 2008, 2011 etc.. and no defense played to this level. With that said, show me another team that is holding their opponents 15.7 ppg under their season average versus other opponents?
375 yards is being raked? If that is the standard just about 60% of the league is raking their opponents on a weekly basis. A cheap shot? That too amazes me, Allen was a dumbass for diving head first, and it was beyond clear he aimed for mid section and Allen ducked his head. Either way Allen wasn't going to win that game for them he threw three frigging picks. He had like 30 more yards than Barkley who played 1 quarter. It was Gore on the ground for 100+ and 40+ of those yards came on one run. I wonder if you actually watched that game.
If you say so, 7-0 is 7-0. The QB has never been mobile, so not sure what your point is there. He's old but 75% of the league would take them over their current QB. The O-line is the biggest weakness, losing Andrews at C has hurt them a lot, especially in getting to the 2nd level in the run game. Losing Wynn at LT and rolling with a gypsy for half the season is not ideal. Wynn is eligible to come off the IR in week 11 (I believe), that will go a long way at suring up the Oline and don't discount the possibility of a trade for OL help. TE is biggest weakness, they sured that up a bit with Watson. WR Gordon has been hobbled but can stretch the field, not sure if you watch Dorsett or not but his play speaks for itself, they have Harry ready to come off IR and just traded for Sanu...not to mention Edelman. Not any where near as dyer as you would make it appear.
Shredded for 375 and yet only scored 10 points. Man you need to look up stats, but putting that aside. You are looking at it from the wrong perspective, 15.9 PPG is the key number. 3 shutouts again its still the NFL and teams don't do this consistently to other teams in the NFL. Live in denial if you so choose.
This weeks game between NE and Cle might be the biggest coaching mismatch in NFL history. Kitchens is terrible. I fully expect no more than 7 points for Cleveland against the Pats D.
A Lamar Jackson led offense is not going to put up 27 points against this defense. That kid will be forced to sit in the pocket under little to no pressure and forced to go through his progressions against the best secondary in the league. It will be ugly.
Houston may be the only team other than KC with the ability to score in the double digits vs this defense. And I doubt they put up more than 20.
I spot value every week as does my most important tool. I watch every game every week. I will use your hyperbole verbiage, but in this case not out of context, they have destroyed teams with a combined 6-26 record. And beat a 5-1 team with arguably the 2nd/3rd best defense in the league on the road with a sputtering offense.
Negative. Allen threw 3 picks what makes you think he suddenly "gets it" that entire game was about Gore moving the ball on the Ground and even that was limited. Barkley got 130 yards of that 375 in the 4th quarter and ultimately threw a pick as well.
I'm good brother don't need to learn much, especially from a lot of the folks on here. I enjoy the banter here and don't come here often enough.
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Believe_EMT
SBR Wise Guy
03-31-19
508
#7
first, appreciate the civility with which you continued this conversation. usually does not go that way on this forum.
you can label it BS if you want, but a terrible jets offense that had one good outing, at home, with darnold, traveling for a prime time game? team total of 16.5? no effing way.
the patriots don't lose games. the one thing they do better than every other team is not make the critical mistakes. the other thing they do extremely well is pick up 6 quick wins in that shate division (although sometimes they don't, even as DD faves). really is mind boggling how that division can have such terrible teams for such a long period of time. the league is built for parity now, but those 3 just suck, year in and year out.
agreed, he was never the most mobile qb, but he seems he has gone from limited mobility to near zero mobility. we both seem to agree their o-line is a weakness at this point. feel like buf is the only good d they faced. numbers seem to support that. that average seems to be around 360/game on defense, so they have faced average or worse defenses. i just don't expect the turnover and d/special teams points continue at the current rate. so where will points keep coming from? admittedly, they might only face 2 good D the rest of the year. so they'll waltz into the playoffs having gotten fat off games vs 13 average or worse defenses.
and on the other side, they have played just plain out bad offenses. we have no idea how average this team is until they end up in a game needing to keep pace with a scoring offense. but we will next Sunday night when they visit baltimore. that game isn't shaping up very well for pats at all. ravens off a bye, hostile environment, a qb that, in my opinion, plays scared now any time there is pressure. can you honestly tell me he doesn't make any panicked throws now? never looked that way until the last 2 years. he can be taken off his game.
i hope it is as you say, that cleveland will be lucky to put up 7 points. if pats enter bal favored, i might end up mortgaging my house on the ravens ML.
and will undoubtedly be unloading on over bal TT.
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Believe_EMT
SBR Wise Guy
03-31-19
508
#8
hmmmm, 14 penalties in their favor, +3 turnover ratio, at home against a 2-4 team
and an absolutely average performance
stand by my assertion
clearly the worst 8-0 team in NFL history
great performance by the refs though for sure
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spippen
SBR MVP
03-17-09
3874
#9
I will check back after the Patriots win another super bowl and most likely do not lose a game this season. Even if the other team has " more talent " it will not make a difference. Patriots murder teams mentally and cause them to make mistake after mistake after mistake. These are just facts. There are too many examples to list them all. Most of the Patriots success is the franchises brains and outsmarting the rest of the league. It also doesn't hurt that the organization doesn't tolerate anything less than stellar effort. That's why Patriot players outperform other players whom on paper may be more "talented".
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mgcolby
SBR Wise Guy
10-19-07
950
#10
Originally posted by Believe_EMT
hmmmm, 14 penalties in their favor, +3 turnover ratio, at home against a 2-4 team
and an absolutely average performance
stand by my assertion
clearly the worst 8-0 team in NFL history
great performance by the refs though for sure
You must of missed that blatant hold by the LT on the Browns TD pass. The Pats opponents get away with more shit, look at all the non calls last week in favor of the Jets. The Pats are simply smarter and more disciplined then everyone else.
And from your previous post. You are talking about the same Ravens that were steamrolled by this same Browns team at home? I would hold off on that 2nd mortgage if I were you.
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mgcolby
SBR Wise Guy
10-19-07
950
#11
Originally posted by Believe_EMT
first, appreciate the civility with which you continued this conversation. usually does not go that way on this forum.
you can label it BS if you want, but a terrible jets offense that had one good outing, at home, with darnold, traveling for a prime time game? team total of 16.5? no effing way.
the patriots don't lose games. the one thing they do better than every other team is not make the critical mistakes. the other thing they do extremely well is pick up 6 quick wins in that shate division (although sometimes they don't, even as DD faves). really is mind boggling how that division can have such terrible teams for such a long period of time. the league is built for parity now, but those 3 just suck, year in and year out.
agreed, he was never the most mobile qb, but he seems he has gone from limited mobility to near zero mobility. we both seem to agree their o-line is a weakness at this point. feel like buf is the only good d they faced. numbers seem to support that. that average seems to be around 360/game on defense, so they have faced average or worse defenses. i just don't expect the turnover and d/special teams points continue at the current rate. so where will points keep coming from? admittedly, they might only face 2 good D the rest of the year. so they'll waltz into the playoffs having gotten fat off games vs 13 average or worse defenses.
and on the other side, they have played just plain out bad offenses. we have no idea how average this team is until they end up in a game needing to keep pace with a scoring offense. but we will next Sunday night when they visit baltimore. that game isn't shaping up very well for pats at all. ravens off a bye, hostile environment, a qb that, in my opinion, plays scared now any time there is pressure. can you honestly tell me he doesn't make any panicked throws now? never looked that way until the last 2 years. he can be taken off his game.
i hope it is as you say, that cleveland will be lucky to put up 7 points. if pats enter bal favored, i might end up mortgaging my house on the ravens ML.
and will undoubtedly be unloading on over bal TT.
No, problem and I agree. Fair enough just seems a bit odd to title the thread or to make the thread at all and then say you won on the game.
We agree on the Pats not losing games (most of the time, see Miami last year). I will in no way defend the other three teams in the East but the thought that the division perpetually sucks is a bit of a myth. There are several articles debunking that, they are in the middle of the pack. When you factor in wins against other divisions (when you remove the 1st place teams, to kill well the Pats account for those wins argument). With that said they are good at dropping at least 1 game a year, typically in Miami. But thats the NFL division games are tough.
The Oline is 95% of what ails the offense, with that said its still an offense averaging 26PPG when you remove Defense/STs touchdowns, so its not like they are garbage. They are just playing uncharacteristically and people aren't used to seeing it. I would say that many of the folks watching this offense sort of forgot how the Pats won games prior to 2007. The Oline yesterday was playing with 3 backups, Ferentz was making his 1st start as a pro, he was not good. They get Wynn back in week 12 and Mason either this week or after the bye. Those two will go a long way in fixing what ails the offense. Add in Harry off IR and Sanu getting integrated and I think come Thanksgiving this team will be humming. Which if funny saying for a 9-0 team.
I don't expect the D to keep scoring and that is not something any team wants to count on, its a nice to have. But they just keep making big plays. They might very well only play 2 good defenses, looking through their schedule Ravens D is average, slightly above average (actually just looked it up they are 15th so exactly average), they play the Bills one more time (3rd), Cowboys (8th) and Philly (13th). So yeah, two top 10, 4 in the top 15. You can only play the teams on your schedule. What I think is hilarious is that the Pats are 8-0 and have basically treated the 1st half of the season as an extension of the pre-season. And I am sure you know how the NFL schedule works. So based on that, the Pats play all but three of the other divisions winners from the previous year, every year.
Its just a down year, and the Pats are coached better than any other team in the league. In most cases its embarrassing to watch. Take last week against the Jets and he runs nearly a minute and a half off the clock because Gase doesn't know the rule and keeps declining the penalties. Shit he visibly laughed about it on the sideline.
Odds are the teams they will meet, in the AFC playoffs at least, will likely be a bottom 17 ranked defense.
Brady definitely makes some panic throws, but that isn't really anything new. You can look back at the 2010 playoff game against the Jets. But there is no denying that and it goes back to the Oline, and to some degree the WR turnover.
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Believe_EMT
SBR Wise Guy
03-31-19
508
#12
Originally posted by spippen
I will check back after the Patriots win another super bowl and most likely do not lose a game this season. Even if the other team has " more talent " it will not make a difference. Patriots murder teams mentally and cause them to make mistake after mistake after mistake. These are just facts. There are too many examples to list them all. Most of the Patriots success is the franchises brains and outsmarting the rest of the league. It also doesn't hurt that the organization doesn't tolerate anything less than stellar effort. That's why Patriot players outperform other players whom on paper may be more "talented".
man, you might not be checking back for years, window closed. tom is done, just nobody let him know yet.
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Believe_EMT
SBR Wise Guy
03-31-19
508
#13
Originally posted by mgcolby
You must of missed that blatant hold by the LT on the Browns TD pass. The Pats opponents get away with more shit, look at all the non calls last week in favor of the Jets. The Pats are simply smarter and more disciplined then everyone else.
And from your previous post. You are talking about the same Ravens that were steamrolled by this same Browns team at home? I would hold off on that 2nd mortgage if I were you.
or do they just cheat better? the 2 OPI calls were game changers. Pats perfected that pick play and seem to not get called.
actually had a good conversation with my son on this yesterday about refs being humans and bringing biases to their game calling. Browns come in some what highly penalized. refs internalize this and call every single borderline play against them. Pats come in with this image of not being highly penalized team (they certainly commit fouls, often, every team does), and every borderline play goes their way.
referees aren't intentionally favoring the Pats, but their unconscious bias is. that, coupled with their overall ineptness, creates situations where we have lopsided penalty tallies. the Pats Tackles hold. a lot. didn't see them called once.
proud dad moment there having my 13 yr old discuss unconscious human bias.
already played Ravens +3.5 for what is my biggest NFL bet in about 3 years. feel that good about. we'll have to see how the Market feels about that play.
if we can get that Ravens TT down to 19.5 or less, going to have get a 3rd mortgage. Those defensive rushing totals don't concern you? you can make whatever excuses you want, but 6.1, 7.2 and 7.3 yards per carry is simply not good. that's with allen, mayfield and mccoy at qb. rosen only qb in the league with lower rating than allen and mayfield! 8 months ago, that would have been 8 man fronts forcing crap qbs to beat them.
just the hype around this team is overkill. true, they have beaten the crap arse teams they play every week, but some numbers are just being ignored. belichick destroys young qbs is the one pushed last night, over and over again. jackson won't have to do much when the ravens put up 200 rushing yards as a team. just needs to hit about 4 passes all game.
i just don't get it. paper tiger this defense is.
your other post has many words. will reply when i find some time.
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Believe_EMT
SBR Wise Guy
03-31-19
508
#14
2019 Patriots MVP
Cyrus Jones
fukkin bum
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Believe_EMT
SBR Wise Guy
03-31-19
508
#15
Originally posted by Believe_EMT
because when Baltimore puts up 400 yards and 27 or so points on them, i'll be cashing tickets while kool-aid drinkers are scratching their heads trying to figure out what happen.
just sayin
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Believe_EMT
SBR Wise Guy
03-31-19
508
#16
feel like you're upset with the accuracy of my crazy talk
here to make amends. live in pixburg, love da black and gold
however, there is no way in heck they will put up 20 points today.
their offense is quite terrible, but have had some smoke and mirrors and defensive scores or short fields to mask it
at 19.5. if it magically gets higher, take a 2nd mortgage and hammer that Under
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mgcolby
SBR Wise Guy
10-19-07
950
#17
Originally posted by Believe_EMT
feel like you're upset with the accuracy of my crazy talk
here to make amends. live in pixburg, love da black and gold
however, there is no way in heck they will put up 20 points today.
their offense is quite terrible, but have had some smoke and mirrors and defensive scores or short fields to mask it
at 19.5. if it magically gets higher, take a 2nd mortgage and hammer that Under
Ok so that explains the irrational takes in the thread by you. The Pats made some very uncharacteristic mistakes in critical spots. Those Neutral zone infractions were brutal. Tackling was almost as brutal. Tip of a hat to ya, you called it. Now we will see if this was the outlier or more in line with who they are. I have a feeling we will disagree.
With that said, Lamar is a different cat. Guy will miss a receiver by 10 yards on 2nd down and then come back on 3rd and make a ridiculous throw. The Ravens made a lot of crucial plays in tough spots, they won that game on 3rd and 4th downs, either do to a great play by them or a penalty by the Pats.
Either way one game does not make a season, and one game does not erase what they did in the other 8 games. And given that many folks believe the 2000 Ravens to be the best defense of all times, they too gave up 30 points in a game and only played two offenses in the top 10 that season. Memory is bliss, but usually faulting in accuracy.
But that Ravens Offense when Lamar is not turning it over is tough to stop. I think you should consider that unconscious bias you were teaching your kid.
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Believe_EMT
SBR Wise Guy
03-31-19
508
#18
Originally posted by mgcolby
Now we will see if this was the outlier or more in line with who they are. I have a feeling we will disagree.
that would be dependent upon you trusting the data, or contorting it to fit your narrative. guess you could make the same claim against me, but i see them having dropped to the 11th ranked rush D in the league, but in a somewhat conflicting stat, they are tied with the fins at 4.7 RYPA D, which is 25th ranked.
which one gives you more confidence? but since you mentioned the 2000 ravens D, their RYPA was 2.7. a full 2 yards better. did that math in my head.
i believe you can hide a lot of deficiencies by looking strictly at the sum of rush yards against. case in point, the steelers held gurley 'in check' last week. or did they? guy had 36 yards in the 1st half, but that was only 6 carries. 6.0 YPR, but rams insisted on throwing the ball behind an offensive line that couldn't pass block against a team that thrives on rushing the passer. it made no sense.
but i think your team will be fine for the rest of the regular season. i'd expect 14-2 record, 13-3 and first round bye worst case scenario. eagles, cowboys and texans are just not good. my bad, 'the division leading' eagles and cowboys.
tip of the week: unload a 4th mortgage on your house to go over on any Chubb rushing or combined yardage props. i would be surprised if he finishes under 135 combined yards, and over 100 rushing.
still not convinced brady can survive the rest of this year.
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mgcolby
SBR Wise Guy
10-19-07
950
#19
Originally posted by Believe_EMT
that would be dependent upon you trusting the data, or contorting it to fit your narrative. guess you could make the same claim against me, but i see them having dropped to the 11th ranked rush D in the league, but in a somewhat conflicting stat, they are tied with the fins at 4.7 RYPA D, which is 25th ranked.
which one gives you more confidence? but since you mentioned the 2000 ravens D, their RYPA was 2.7. a full 2 yards better. did that math in my head.
i believe you can hide a lot of deficiencies by looking strictly at the sum of rush yards against. case in point, the steelers held gurley 'in check' last week. or did they? guy had 36 yards in the 1st half, but that was only 6 carries. 6.0 YPR, but rams insisted on throwing the ball behind an offensive line that couldn't pass block against a team that thrives on rushing the passer. it made no sense.
but i think your team will be fine for the rest of the regular season. i'd expect 14-2 record, 13-3 and first round bye worst case scenario. eagles, cowboys and texans are just not good. my bad, 'the division leading' eagles and cowboys.
tip of the week: unload a 4th mortgage on your house to go over on any Chubb rushing or combined yardage props. i would be surprised if he finishes under 135 combined yards, and over 100 rushing.
still not convinced brady can survive the rest of this year.
I think the rush defense is clearly an issue, but the Pats typically correct or figure out a way to lessen the damage caused by their deficincies. The secondary is superb and the LB's are very good. Its been run fits, one or two guys not filling their gaps. Sounds elementary but thats what its been. We'll see how they look with a week off.
Speaking of the 2000 Ravens the Pats don't have a Saragousa type guy, the closest would be Shelton or Guy but neither are as good as Tony was that dude was a house out of the Ted Washington mold.
I expect 14-2, the Pats never go 15-1 and 13-3 I could see if the one seed is locked up and they mail it in week 17. I went to the Baltimore game and it was funny listening to fans go nuts like they just won the SB. Then to add to it, I think I posted this before but the Pats lose so infrequent that the media, opposing fans and some of their own fans treat regular season losses like other teams playoff losses. I had a few buddy's trying to give me shit, and they kind of looked confused when I stated it was a regular season game and I'll take a loss every 11 calendar months.
As far as Brady. He'll make it either way, just how healthy will he be. And that will depend on Wynn coming back and being able to stay on the field. Because Newhouse is not good. Wynn coming back and staying healthy will fix a lot of what ails this line. Time will tell.
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Believe_EMT
SBR Wise Guy
03-31-19
508
#20
we got there. chubb had to grind to get us over that 79.5 rushing yards, but he got there.
i retract any earlier comments about unconscious bias by referees in the pats/browns game. based on last night, they might be either the most undisciplined team in the league or play for a coach that openly endorses intentionally injuring opposing players. my goodness, it's like someone took the 90's version of Da U and put them in the nfl. thug life!
i imagine that was quite the atmosphere in baltimore. understand what you're saying. it was the media hype that drove me to create this thread. pats were just handling their business against mediocre competition. there was no chest thumping on their part. just the constant, over the top praise really grinds my gears. on the other hand, they have to fill 24 hours of 'sports news' and it did help create value for my bet, so i guess i shouldn't be too upset about it. and i feel bad for you, having a team that plays games that really mean nothing, just counting the days til the post season. kinda sucks the joy out of the regular season. i'd equate it to being a penguins fan. since about 90, outside of a few lean years, it is just an expectation that they will be in the playoffs and set to make a deep run. also realize we have been lucky as fukk to have lemieux, jagr, crosby and malkin to all come through this great city.
fukk i hated wilfork. that dude sucked up at least 2 blockers every play, leaving your LBs free to shut down the run game. feel like he was pretty agile for being such an absolutely large man.
i don't know. i think the teams on their remaining schedule just aren't good enough to put together a complete 60 minute game. i can see 15-1 happening for sure. unless, as you said, the number 1 seed is already decided and they mail in week 17. or they could catch some bad breaks in one of those games and end up 14-2 as well.
bengals get first win next week with ben, james, pouncy, and possibly juju out?
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Believe_EMT
SBR Wise Guy
03-31-19
508
#21
one would think referees deciding games after that saints playoff debacle would be a thing of the past. guess not.
phantom tripping call makes the stop this 'number one' (average) defense couldn't make.
no doubt pats lead the league in opponents losing first downs due to penalty in close games. amazing.
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mgcolby
SBR Wise Guy
10-19-07
950
#22
Originally posted by Believe_EMT
one would think referees deciding games after that saints playoff debacle would be a thing of the past. guess not.
phantom tripping call makes the stop this 'number one' (average) defense couldn't make.
no doubt pats lead the league in opponents losing first downs due to penalty in close games. amazing.
It was a bad call without a doubt. He slightly extended his leg outward but it looked more like he got off balance. Either way bad call. With that said what happened at anypoint in that game made you think they had any prayer of marching down the field and putting it in the end zone?
The defense has answered the question. They are very good and had a bad night against a gimmicky offense with a speedy freak at QB. They are doing this with little to no support from the offense. I think that will change now that Wynn is back at LT (assuming he stays healthy) and the return or Sanu and Dorsett.
They will hold Houston to 17 or less, they will shutout or at most give up 3 to Cincy, KC may put up 17-24 and Buffalo will get 13 or so. Average that out to 40 points, that would be 129 points allowed by the defense over 16 games. That works out to 8.1 (8.06) PPG which would beat the 2000 Ravens by three tenths of a point. If it works out this way, given that the Ravens only played 1 team (twice) ranked in the top 10 on offense that year, even the most hardened hater if they are honest have to admit this is a historically great defense.
Time will tell...five more weeks.
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POOLSIDE
SBR MVP
09-06-14
2839
#23
OP, you’re delusional. Blinded by your hatred. Not a good look. This defense is incredible.
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Believe_EMT
SBR Wise Guy
03-31-19
508
#24
Originally posted by Believe_EMT
stand by my assertion
clearly the worst 8-0 team in NFL history
seems they have trouble beating teams with winning records. maybe they won't face such teams in the playoffs.
anyone else have their biggest bet of the day blow up in their face yesterday with that KC TT Over 23.5. friggin brutal. remember late in the 3rd quarter when KC had more penalty yards that Brady had passing yards. that was cute.
we are literally witnessing the end of a dynasty and no one seems to want to admit it.
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Believe_EMT
SBR Wise Guy
03-31-19
508
#25
i'm forecasting
NE 20
Cin 16
no way that is anywhere remotely near reality, right?
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Believe_EMT
SBR Wise Guy
03-31-19
508
#26
which is more concerning from a Pats' fan POV?
being limited to 291 yards on offense by a team that gives up 391 per game or
having bengals exceed their offensive average, albeit only by a few yards?
both are kinda shate right? as a Pats hater (did they legit just get caught cheating again?) the offense one is for me. struggled to move the ball at times against a the league's 29th ranked D, a 1-13 team that is just playing out the schedule.
defense looked ok. maybe they can face other qbs in the playoffs with a passer rating of 75.2 like Dalton. unlikely since jackson, mahomes and watson are all over 100 and have already beaten NE this year.
maybe steelers can sneak in and go on a run and meet up with Pats in foxboro. NE wouldn't even have to cheat to win that.
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Believe_EMT
SBR Wise Guy
03-31-19
508
#27
Originally posted by POOLSIDE
OP, you’re delusional. Blinded by your hatred. Not a good look. This defense is incredible.
bro, this defense is average. however, i hope the hype builds around this defense heading in to the playoffs, no reason it shouldn't, finishing out the year against the 22nd and 29th ranked offenses in the NFL. how many time do you need to see this trend play out before you catch on.
play crap offenses and dominate.
bitch slapped by ravens.
dominate crap offenses (one of those games helped by freezing rain and phantom tripping calls)
bitch slapped by texans and chiefs
dominate 3 crap offenses to end the season, hype builds, number 1 defense, blah, blah, blah.
bitch slapped by playoff opponent.
their only chance is if buffalo and pitt win wildcard games, and then pit beats bal. but the refs did serve up the Rams for the superbowl last year instead of the Saints, so who knows what could happen this season.
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mgcolby
SBR Wise Guy
10-19-07
950
#28
Originally posted by Believe_EMT
seems they have trouble beating teams with winning records. maybe they won't face such teams in the playoffs.
anyone else have their biggest bet of the day blow up in their face yesterday with that KC TT Over 23.5. friggin brutal. remember late in the 3rd quarter when KC had more penalty yards that Brady had passing yards. that was cute.
we are literally witnessing the end of a dynasty and no one seems to want to admit it.
Maybe, and maybe with Brady. The days ahead will let us know. But the reason...no one wants to admit it is because they have been saying this since 2005. Yes, someday it will end. Will that be in January? February? This year, next year? no one knows. But they have made a many a men look outright stupid. Looking at you Max Kellerman.
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mgcolby
SBR Wise Guy
10-19-07
950
#29
Originally posted by Believe_EMT
which is more concerning from a Pats' fan POV?
being limited to 291 yards on offense by a team that gives up 391 per game or
having bengals exceed their offensive average, albeit only by a few yards?
both are kinda shate right? as a Pats hater (did they legit just get caught cheating again?) the offense one is for me. struggled to move the ball at times against a the league's 29th ranked D, a 1-13 team that is just playing out the schedule.
defense looked ok. maybe they can face other qbs in the playoffs with a passer rating of 75.2 like Dalton. unlikely since jackson, mahomes and watson are all over 100 and have already beaten NE this year.
maybe steelers can sneak in and go on a run and meet up with Pats in foxboro. NE wouldn't even have to cheat to win that.
First sir, I have to say. I now completely understand your original hospitality towards me, when I felt I was being a bit of a dick. Yeah, I forgot why I left several years ago. Intelligence is a trait left wanting on this forum.
Now, Limited to 291 yards without a doubt. The offense is an enigma. We all just assume based on the past the team figures what ales them through the season and gets it right. I with no shame thought the return of Wynn would fix much of what is hurting the offense. I am still holding on a slim thread that it may be true. Karras was back last week, but we lost him early on in Wynn's return. I think Buffalo with their defense will be a good litmus test rolling into the playoffs.
Got to get off the defense, its still at historical numbers. The offense just can't seem to do shit without them setting it up. If they had even 50% of the normal NE offense this defense would own the record for the least amount of points allowed.
Love your honesty about your Steelers.
Cheating c'mon man.
Don't let your hatred get in the way of your common sense...ok maybe a bit just because in reality this all means shit....
But
Ok forgot you can't upload pics here.
But look at the Ravens 360 cams and tell me its all above board...if you think the Pats are cheating of course.
bro, this defense is average. however, i hope the hype builds around this defense heading in to the playoffs, no reason it shouldn't, finishing out the year against the 22nd and 29th ranked offenses in the NFL. how many time do you need to see this trend play out before you catch on.
play crap offenses and dominate.
bitch slapped by ravens.
dominate crap offenses (one of those games helped by freezing rain and phantom tripping calls)
bitch slapped by texans and chiefs
dominate 3 crap offenses to end the season, hype builds, number 1 defense, blah, blah, blah.
bitch slapped by playoff opponent.
their only chance is if buffalo and pitt win wildcard games, and then pit beats bal. but the refs did serve up the Rams for the superbowl last year instead of the Saints, so who knows what could happen this season.
Bitch slapped by the Chiefs? 3 points in the 2nd half? Still comes down to season averages. You just don't want to acknowledge the Patriots have held their opponents under their opponents season averages against their other opponents not from New England. With a subpar offense.
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Believe_EMT
SBR Wise Guy
03-31-19
508
#31
looks like that defacto extra day of rest really helped the Pats, thanks NFL
unsure how many homes i have won you in this thread, but $60K on the Pats 2nd half line feels about right
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Believe_EMT
SBR Wise Guy
03-31-19
508
#32
Originally posted by mgcolby
Bitch slapped by the Chiefs? 3 points in the 2nd half? Still comes down to season averages. You just don't want to acknowledge the Patriots have held their opponents under their opponents season averages against their other opponents not from New England. With a subpar offense.
dude, that penultimate sentence was real hard to follow. i have no answer for why andy reid tried to run the clock out in that 2nd half with zero aggressive play calls. it was bizarre.
you failed to address that the bengals indeed gained more than their season average against the pats while also outgaining the pats.
there was a time when this team was 8-0, and the worst 8-0 team in nfl history at that. 3-3 since. dude, it's over. it was a good run. of course it will always be difficult to determine what was earned and what was by cheating. if you've been caught 5 or 6 times, there are 50 or 60 they got away with.
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Believe_EMT
SBR Wise Guy
03-31-19
508
#33
does Belichick retire now?
from an outsider's view, i feel like he is driven by ego, which is fine. i don't see him having the motivation to come back and lead a 9-7 team next year. this is the first year where i felt the rest of the AFC East might actually be trending upward. ok, the Fins are not doing that, and Allen has a long way to go but he also learned a ton this year. Jets going 6-2 over their final 8 games. those 6 wins were against questionable teams and one of those losses was to cincy, but they are trending upward.
Mahomes and Jackson are here to stay. so the Pats level of domination has ended.
legitimate question though, do any Pats fans think he will retire? is there any talk of it in the media up in your parts?