Bankers '17-'18 NFL

[2daBank]

What's up fellas? Been going hard in the paint with NCAA and NFL research last few weeks and chomping at the bit to get this shit crackin.

Most ya'll been knowing me and discussing this thing we do in my threads for a long freaking time, if that describes you welcome back and ya know how we do..

If ya new to thread all good, the more intelligent conversation the better so don't be shy. It pretty simple round here, I post my plays and do best to explain why I like them. Any questions about games I'm on or games you interested in talking bout ya more than welcome to ask and I'll do my best to answer to best of my ability when I get the chance (normally others will chime in as well which great as that the idea, feel free to do same)..

all I ask in return is if you don't like a play or on opposite or whatever that fine just don't go announcing how wrong everyone else is without at least telling us why it is you like said play, we love different points of view round here so let it be known so we can take it under consideration as none of us (in this thread anyways) know everything and like hearing things we may have missed!! That and when discussing games w me or each other we like the respectful types up in here, save the disrespectful kiddy bs for when you go out where it not so safe to act a fool

on same note this thread ain't for feeding ego's and chest thumping. Trust me if you know your stuff and making good points we will notice no need to bump a disagreement on game to say I told ya so after the fact, that don't do anyone any good!!

Think that bout covers it, you will find we some pretty good peeps and generally do a pretty good job breaking games down in a attempt to help each other make some money..

GL to everyone this season!! On to the games!!

[2daBank]

1st play of the season..

Atl/chi u51 -110 (2x)... As long as glennon doesn't do anything stupid early on digging bears in a big hole I like the chances of this staying well under this number.. I'd suspect fox won't give him many chances as best way to attack atl freakishly fast d is probably gonna be pounding the rock straight at them which right up his alley. Bears will have success on the ground but drives will probably stall anytime atl forces them into passing situations as it gonna take awhile for bears to figure out who gonna step up and replace Meredith in big spots and 3rd downs. I'm really high on the falcons defense and just don't see much chance glennon and bunch of unproven WRs gonna do a ton of damage. When bears score it gonna be on long clock eating drives powered by the run game.

Bears d a pretty underrated unit imo and they catching atl at the right time early on under a new oc, gonna take a little time for them to find the same rythem they had w Shanny calling plays..Fox has this bears team molded into a similar team to several he has coached in past with a strong run game and very good defense. This the style of football his teams have thrived playing, he well versed in shortening games and keeping it close late when playing more talented teams. Bears defense will keep themselves between atl skill players and the end zone, they will be sure tacklers and make atl work for their points forcing them to play mistake free on drives that will take a lot of plays to get into the red zone.

I do not expect falcons to come to soldier field on opening day and embarrass the bears. Chicago will attack atl fast defense w their power run game and chew up a bunch of clock when having success. Fox will not let this turn into a track meet and I think his track record as a dog gives us a great idea what to expect here. Falcons a very good team and their offense certainly capable but this number seems at least 4 points too high imo in a game I have atl in the 24-27 range and bears right around 17-20..

[2daBank]

Play 2

Pit/cle u47... browns are very similar looking to the bears except with a better oline. The formula should be very much the same for cle as they try to win games w a young qb who probably could have used a little time as a backup but when the other option Brock osweiler you gonna take your chances w the youngster!!

Hue Jackson has been preaching the run game and how he should have ran it more last season to anyone who will listen. Browns quietly put together a very strong oline this offseason and I believe they fully committed to getting their stable of young talented backs the ball behind those big road graders up front. I expect them to run, run, then run some more limiting their young qbs exposure and setting him up for some easy throws off play action. This hasn't produced hardly any points this preseason but I believe they committed to playing this way to try and start winning some games around here.

Defensively the browns front 7 has the potential to be really good and are now led by former rams Dc Greg Williams who known for his teams aggressive attacking style which should suit this group to a tee. Steelers oline will have their work cut out trying to block this dline. It's well documented how much poorer Big Ben plays on the road and I think pit walking into what gonna be a jacked up environment against a young team excited to show what they can do. Browns secondary is the biggest question mark which a concern vs brown and Bryant who one of better wr duos around. Those guys will get theirs but I believe Ben gonna be under pressure to get rid of the ball faster than he would like on a fair amount of his drop backs..

Bottom line is I think Browns want this to be a rivalry again and while they still lacking at the skill positions they have built themselves a excellent oline and swarming aggressive defense that not gonna be a pushover for anyone. Another game I have quite a ways under the posted total, let's call it steelers 23 browns 16

[Knamelis]

Always look forward to this thread during football season... hoping to increase my contributions and add some value this year.

I know you don't have an NCAA thread, but any consideration this year?...the open discussions in all your threads are always helpful.

Good luck, Bank

[2daBank]

Always look forward to this thread during football season... hoping to increase my contributions and add some value this year.

I know you don't have an NCAA thread, but any consideration this year?...the open discussions in all your threads are always helpful.

Good luck, Bank

Man to be honest while I do lot of research/reading and make sometimes a bunch of plays (think 13 for this week before last Saturday kicked off, lol) on NCAA, I really can't carry a good discussion about many of my plays and certainly not rest of the board.

Much of what I know is from reading some super dedicated guys threads over at ctg that pretty much post about it all year round what going on with seemingly every damn program! I don't know how they do it so when time gets really close I stay up
A day or 2 and read everything they been discussing bout these teams all offseason, unreal how well they know most these programs., after that I compile my card cherry picking the plays I think have had the strongest cases made for between the 10-20 guys threads I read..

. I'd feel like a plagiarist If I came back over here and sounded smart cause i was basically summarizing what I took away from their work..

Once we get deeper into the year I have a far better grasp on a lot of teams that is much more my own opinion than others. Granted it's foundation was built off their work but by then it all mine..

There several good guys who usually post NCAA threads here tho and many do a great job explaining the process behind their plays, you will see me over there in their threads discussing it a little and comparing plays. Won't be hard to find.. other than that man I strongly suggest you go over to CTG in the NCAA forum and open practically every thread on 1st and some of second page. The ones that have post going back to feb, apr, may are can't miss reading if you want a lot of detailed incite about these teams. Trust me you will have no desire for my novice college knowledge after reading these guys write ups about plays and position by position evaluations of the teams they know best.. thank me later lol

[Kiddpokerr]

Subscribed, gl man!

[Knamelis]

Man to be honest while I do lot of research/reading and make sometimes a bunch of plays (think 13 for this week before last Saturday kicked off, lol) on NCAA, I really can't carry a good discussion about many of my plays and certainly not rest of the board.

Much of what I know is from reading some super dedicated guys threads over at ctg that pretty much post about it all year round what going on with seemingly every damn program! I don't know how they do it so when time gets really close I stay up
A day or 2 and read everything they been discussing bout these teams all offseason, unreal how well they know most these programs., after that I compile my card cherry picking the plays I think have had the strongest cases made for between the 10-20 guys threads I read..

. I'd feel like a plagiarist If I came back over here and sounded smart cause i was basically summarizing what I took away from their work..

Once we get deeper into the year I have a far better grasp on a lot of teams that is much more my own opinion than others. Granted it's foundation was built off their work but by then it all mine..

There several good guys who usually post NCAA threads here tho and many do a great job explaining the process behind their plays, you will see me over there in their threads discussing it a little and comparing plays. Won't be hard to find.. other than that man I strongly suggest you go over to CTG in the NCAA forum and open practically every thread on 1st and some of second page. The ones that have post going back to feb, apr, may are can't miss reading if you want a lot of detailed incite about these teams. Trust me you will have no desire for my novice college knowledge after reading these guys write ups about plays and position by position evaluations of the teams they know best.. thank me later lol

Hahaha...I know, those guys over at CTG are animals - it blows my mind how much information they have about sooo many different players, teams and conferences...they even have FCS specialists!...so, I understand completely where you are coming from.

[survive]

gl this season buddy. really glad to see you posting again, you and a couple other posters are the only reason i come back to sbr. I have some nfl win total bets i put in a few weeks ago, i wrote about them in detail on my blog (copy/pasted below), would love to hear your thoughts!

Minnesota Vikings Over 8.5 (-120)
Coming off an injury plagued 8-8 season, I have Minnesota projected for 10 wins in 2017. Warren Sharp has rated Minnesota with the 7th softest schedule in the league. Poor offensive line play largely contributed to a sub-par offense in 2016, ranking 30th in Adjusted Line Yards and bottom 10 in sacks allowed/QB hits. Free agency additions of Riley Reiff and Mike Remmers, along with rookie Pat Elflein, will be upgrades in pass protection and run blocking. I still don’t think this will be a great offensive line overall, but it’s likely to be much improved compared to last season. I’m anticipating an improved run game with RBs Dalvin Cook, Latavius Murray, and Jerrick McKinnon due to better run blocking. With more time to throw, the passing game should open up for Sam Bradford. With a healthy Stefon Diggs and Adam Thielen, I think the Minnesota WR corps is underrated heading into the season. On the defensive side, I see no reason why Mike Zimmer won’t have a top 5 defense this season. Flush with exceptional edge rushers (Griffen, Hunter, Robison), linebackers (Barr, Kendricks), and defensive backs (Smith, Rhodes), this should be an elite overall unit. In conclusion, a soft schedule, improved offense, and elite defense all make me believe Minnesota will win at least 9 games.
Dallas Cowboys Under 9.5 (-105)
Dak Prescott led the Cowboys to a highly impressive 13-3 2016 season as a rookie. Surely they’ll win at least 10 games again this year, right? Not so fast! Warren Sharp has rated Dallas with the 8th hardest schedule in the league, their first five games: vs NYG, @DEN, @ARI, vs LA, vs GB. Their final four games features three difficult road games with the home game against Seattle…yikes. Dallas will have the same blueprint as last year’s successful campaign- a run-first, time killing, efficient offense to mask a poor defense. But this season Dallas will have two new starters on the offensive line after losing Ronald Leary and Doug Free. The offensive line will still be good, but I think it’ll be a step down from their elite production from last season and it’ll have less depth. Defensively, Dallas has been mediocre to poor for the past few years featuring a “bend don’t break” style of defense. I think the defense will continue to be underwhelming after losing key pieces in the secondary in Carr, Church, Claiborne, and Wilcox. With questions in the secondary, the front seven will desperately need to create consistent pressure. David Irving is suspended for the first four games, which will take a hit to the pass rushing too. I’m not optimistic that the front seven will be able to mask the secondary via pressure, nor do I think they’ll be able to consistently stop the run. I have Dallas projected as an 8-8 team, mainly due to a difficult schedule, bottom ten defense, and slight decline in offensive line play.
New York Jets Under 4.5 (-200)
As the -200 odds suggest, this is a chalky pick. But hey, chalk wins too. Overall, I just don’t see 5 wins on the schedule as there are question marks throughout the Jets depth chart on both sides of the ball. Warren Sharp has projected the Jets as having the fourth hardest schedule in the league. Offensively, how will the Jets score when you can’t run or pass? Abysmal quarterbacks, plodding running backs, mediocre line, and top receiver Quincy Enunwa just suffered a season ending neck injury. On defense the Jets should be slightly better, but there’s still an overall lack of talent. Perhaps the only strength of the team is the defensive line with Williams and Wilkerson. However, the linebacker corps is a weakness which is particularly problematic in a 3-4 scheme. The Jets are clearly rebuilding, seemingly tanking for the #1 pick in the 2018 draft based on their off-season decisions.
Honorable Mentions:
Patriots over 12.5, Titans over 8.5, Raiders under 10, Lions under 8, Seahawks over 10.5

[2daBank]

Man I gotta come back and read again, when the 1st thing I saw was a Sam Bradford led team over I had to regroup! Lol.. I hate that crosseyed pussy more than ya'll hate cutler! Only difference is my venom is much more justified as Bradford can't hold curlers jock in any area of the game especially toughness..

Kinda sucks cause i like zimmer and that d, was kinda warning up to the bandwagon the teddy b got hurt and yet another franchise wasted a 1st round pick on the most overvalued qb in history. Doesn't matter how minny WRs look cause their qb incapable of making a throw more than 5 yards down field..

I'm kinda playing with you bro but honestly I don't know how you like minny with Bradford but don't like Mia with cutler?? Nobody who has anything nice to say about Bradford should ever knock cutler or probably any other qb again. You do realize that cutler pisses out more talent than Bradford had ever possessed right?

[shocka1212]

1st play of the season..

Atl/chi u51 -110 (2x)... As long as glennon doesn't do anything stupid early on digging bears in a big hole I like the chances of this staying well under this number.. I'd suspect fox won't give him many chances as best way to attack atl freakishly fast d is probably gonna be pounding the rock straight at them which right up his alley. Bears will have success on the ground but drives will probably stall anytime atl forces them into passing situations as it gonna take awhile for bears to figure out who gonna step up and replace Meredith in big spots and 3rd downs. I'm really high on the falcons defense and just don't see much chance glennon and bunch of unproven WRs gonna do a ton of damage. When bears score it gonna be on long clock eating drives powered by the run game.

Bears d a pretty underrated unit imo and they catching atl at the right time early on under a new oc, gonna take a little time for them to find the same rythem they had w Shanny calling plays..Fox has this bears team molded into a similar team to several he has coached in past with a strong run game and very good defense. This the style of football his teams have thrived playing, he well versed in shortening games and keeping it close late when playing more talented teams. Bears defense will keep themselves between atl skill players and the end zone, they will be sure tacklers and make atl work for their points forcing them to play mistake free on drives that will take a lot of plays to get into the red zone.

I do not expect falcons to come to soldier field on opening day and embarrass the bears. Chicago will attack atl fast defense w their power run game and chew up a bunch of clock when having success. Fox will not let this turn into a track meet and I think his track record as a dog gives us a great idea what to expect here. Falcons a very good team and their offense certainly capable but this number seems at least 4 points too high imo in a game I have atl in the 24-27 range and bears right around 17-20..

that bears defense is good at home. I like this play a lot

[2daBank]

that bears defense is good at home. I like this play a lot

Yea it feels way high. 47 feels like the absolute high side barring glennon throwing a couple pick 6s early and bears getting down big before half. That really only way I see it coming close but I honestly don't think that will happen. Think bears will play it tight to the vest and be within a score in the 4th qrtr.. I'd be surprised if we saw another bears total anywhere near this in chi the rest of the year.. guess that atl offense is to thank but I expect them to take a while adjusting to new playcaller and don't expect they will ever be as good as last year.. dirty bird defense is the unit on that team I think on the rise. Bears power run game not a great matchup for them as speed the name of game and they are fast! They did add Poe in the middle this offseason if he can play like he had in past that go a long way in deterring teams to ram it Down their throats.,

[2daBank]

When I have a little time I'll look at your team totals schedules. Hard for me to have much a opinion without seeing who they up against. It seems like everyone I know who plays these is on that Dallas under. Feel like everyone might be little premature w the annoitimg of gmen and the demise of boys. I'd guess they both be right there at 9-7, 10-6 w philly right in mix as well..

[survive]

Man I gotta come back and read again, when the 1st thing I saw was a Sam Bradford led team over I had to regroup! Lol.. I hate that crosseyed pussy more than ya'll hate cutler! Only difference is my venom is much more justified as Bradford can't hold curlers jock in any area of the game especially toughness..

Kinda sucks cause i like zimmer and that d, was kinda warning up to the bandwagon the teddy b got hurt and yet another franchise wasted a 1st round pick on the most overvalued qb in history. Doesn't matter how minny WRs look cause their qb incapable of making a throw more than 5 yards down field..

I'm kinda playing with you bro but honestly I don't know how you like minny with Bradford but don't like Mia with cutler?? Nobody who has anything nice to say about Bradford should ever knock cutler or probably any other qb again. You do realize that cutler pisses out more talent than Bradford had ever possessed right?

I'm confused! I don't think I've talked Cutler with you lol. But anyways, I do like cutler more than most I'd say. He's an upgrade over trannyhill and he's a tough qb. He had some garbage offensive lines and coaches in Chicago.

I'm not a huge Bradford fan either, but I think he's serviceable. Every Vikings game I watched last year dude was getting hurried or sacked within a couple seconds

[2daBank]

Ah shit bro I'm sorry I got you mixed up with someone else, I been on a defend cutler from unrighteousness bashers tour all day and my head starting to spin as all the post starting to blend together and now I'm randomly picking a fight with you for no reason .. lol

Like I said I like minny but hate Bradford. Disregard all that other shit as clearly I mistaken you for some other cutler basher so saw red when being told phins can't win more than 6-7 games with cutler but Bradford can win 9!!! Lol.. my bad buddy I'll get back on track

[2daBank]

Hey someone tell me if Vikings new stadium open air or dome please., I could have swore I remember hearing last year it was open but earlier when i said that I was told it a dome.. suppose I could just look but trying to put s number on their season wins right this second.,

[survive]

My gf tells me it is entirely indoors, only the side doors open up. She was at the game last weekend but take it with a grain of salt she isn't the sharpest tool in the shed lol. You like any NCAA tomorrow? Looking hard at ucf -17 now

[2daBank]

My gf tells me it is entirely indoors, only the side doors open up. She was at the game last weekend but take it with a grain of salt she isn't the sharpest tool in the shed lol. You like any NCAA tomorrow? Looking hard at ucf -17 now

Sorry just saw post. I hit few overs yesterday but was actually on opposite of Ucf which didnt go so well, hope you cashed on them.. tonight I'm on fau and bc. Got bunch for Saturday

[KRIT]

Gl bank. Look forward to talking football, probably my favorite sport. I don't see anyway Pats don't return to SB unless something happens to Brady. NFC looks wide open.

Like your Bears under play. They will be strong defensively and commit to the run, game should stay in the low to mid 40's.

Why are Rams +3, seems like a long shot Luck plays. Is that # assuming Luck plays. Without Luck, Indy probably has the worst roster in the league.

[survive]

Sorry just saw post. I hit few overs yesterday but was actually on opposite of Ucf which didnt go so well, hope you cashed on them.. tonight I'm on fau and bc. Got bunch for Saturday

Yep hit on ucf. GL on fau, played the over there and in Colorado game for tonight. Looking forward to your card tomorrow buddy

[zekeone]

Thanks for the thread. Good luck

[Capybara]

What up, Banker? I haven't been in the forum at all and am not sure whether I'll even change that for football season, but wanted to wish you good luck this year! Always appreciate your insight and writeups. Get 'em, bro!

[Enkhbat]

Good luck banker, what are some of the sources you read on NCAA?

[2daBank]

Gl bank. Look forward to talking football, probably my favorite sport. I don't see anyway Pats don't return to SB unless something happens to Brady. NFC looks wide open.

Like your Bears under play. They will be strong defensively and commit to the run, game should stay in the low to mid 40's.

Why are Rams +3, seems like a long shot Luck plays. Is that # assuming Luck plays. Without Luck, Indy probably has the worst roster in the league.

Looks like line has moved to lambs -3.5 now. Honestky don't know why I held off other than I just don't trust the lambs even tho I'm sure they will be improved now that the worst coach I've ever seen is gone.,still not a big believer in Goff but not sure there a worse team than Indy minus luck, prob jets but that bout it..

[2daBank]

As expected that bears total dropping, I still think there value w anything above 49.

[2daBank]

Good god that total in Mia plummeting! Down under 42 at a lot of shops. Think if it gets down to 41 over has to be seriously considered. Really been holding out there hoping to get fish +3.

[2daBank]

Good god that total in Mia plummeting! Down under 42 at a lot of shops. Think if it gets down to 41 over has to be seriously considered. Really been holding out there hoping to get fish +3.

While both front 7s really stout I think it fair to say both teams weaknesses in the secondary and there a lot of big play WRs in this game and both qbs have the ability to hit them deep!!!

[2daBank]

Gonna hold off on doing anything w Tampa/Mia as it looks like game time, location, or both could be effected by a freaking hurricane.

[NoFlyZone 303]

GL bank. Just created my account but I'm excited to follow what you gotta say, love talking football and basketball with people who know their stuff . I also agree with the Bears +7 fox will implement the run game and slow the game down as much as he can for Glennon . Howard's capable of taking over and chewing clock keeping that Falcons O off the field. As long they don't allow the big plays I see a 24-17 type game and the chance for a backdoor.

[2daBank]

Chargers +3.5 (1x).. never easy at mile high but for my money this is simply the better team. The way to attack donks defense always been w a strong run game and I think sd has that w Melvin Gordon. Chargers also have a ton of weapons for rivers which include 2 strong te's which should allow sd to move the chains w/o having to repeatedly attack donks corners which obviously along w pass rush their main strength. I think sd capable of putting up 23-24 points here and imo that should be enough to not only cover but win outright.

Chargers defense has a lot of solid pieces, excellent pass rush and a solid secondary. I'm not much of a believer in donks offense, it remains to be seen if the oline and a healthy Anderson can give them the run game they desperately need. Sure their WRs are still strong but let's be real semien ain't exactly a franchise qb. I think points gonna be tough to come by for this den team all season and don't expect them to eclipse 20 here. Getting 3.5 in a game I think the dog wins outright works for me as even if den does get the win like most sd games last year I'd expect it to be tight late and ultimately a game decided by a fg..

[2daBank]

GL bank. Just created my account but I'm excited to follow what you gotta say, love talking football and basketball with people who know their stuff . I also agree with the Bears +7 fox will implement the run game and slow the game down as much as he can for Glennon . Howard's capable of taking over and chewing clock keeping that Falcons O off the field. As long they don't allow the big plays I see a 24-17 type game and the chance for a backdoor.

Welcome aboard my man. I doubt I'll be on a side although I think bears is probably the right one. Ultimately atl can cover and this still should go under barring bears making mistakes early that let the game get out of hand. Way more value in the under imo, even still at 49.5 or whatever it currently sitting at..

[2daBank]

What up, Banker? I haven't been in the forum at all and am not sure whether I'll even change that for football season, but wanted to wish you good luck this year! Always appreciate your insight and writeups. Get 'em, bro!

Thanks brother. I hope you drop by some your post always a welcome addition.

[2daBank]

Just keeping card up to date, write-ups on previous pages if interested. Thus far:

Atl/chi u51 (2x)

Pit/cle u47 (1x)

Chargers +3.5 (1x)

Still looking at several others, hoping can figure out what gonna happen w hurricane in Miami sooner than later.

[2daBank]

Sounding more and more likely the bucs/fish game gonna get postponed. Really bumming me out cause my fav DraftKings lineups all featured Parker and Evans. Lol..

[GzaTheGenius]

Got Landry and Parker on 2 of my fantasy teams too, hope they play

I'm liking Detroit so far on the ML @EV

Only play so far, might tail that bears under

[SilverTongueFox]

Just keeping card up to date, write-ups on previous pages if interested. Thus far:

Atl/chi u51 (2x)

Pit/cle u47 (1x)

Chargers +3.5 (1x)

Still looking at several others, hoping can figure out what gonna happen w hurricane in Miami sooner than later.

Busy as $hit with kids sports, our men's fall baseball league etc. I'm be tailing this year. Good luck Bank.