Duke vs. UNC: Unbiased write up on the game

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  • Dukebluejms
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    • 10-21-09
    • 1633

    #1
    Duke vs. UNC: Unbiased write up on the game
    I want to start by saying that this is an impartial analysis of this game. Though I am a huge Duke fan, I know when to praise them and when to bash them, especially when money is involved. I have bet on Duke twice this year (1-1; won Wake and lost G’town), so I don’t usually bet them because I like to enjoy the game. The verdict is still out on this one because I see value in the play, but again it is UNC. If I bet on this game I will take Duke. Take it as you will. I have been successful on this thread in picking games, but I understand if some of you see this pick as me being a homer. To those people I say BOL on your play. The point of this write up was to give insight into this matchup for those that have not been able to watch as many Duke or UNC games as I have. This was not a “Praise Duke” or “Bash UNC” writeup, but more of an insightful tool that people can use to base their own opinions.

    I’m not going to go into the usual home/road splits analysis in this game because everyone knows Duke has played poorly on the road and that UNC has played poorly every game for the last 10-12 games. And I’m sure most people would agree that this is a mismatch, but I don’t think it is as big of a mismatch as some might think and I’m going to tell you why. On paper, this game is a huge mismatch and with the line at 5.5 to an amateur it looks like a gift from the Heavens. But as I have said in previous threads this week, that you can throw records and stats out of the window in games of this magnitude.

    The first argument I have heard for this game being a blowout is that UNC’s season is over. They cannot make it into the tourney. I have two retorts to that. First, a win against Duke will go a long way to put the Tarholes names back in the mix for the big dance. Second, say their season is over and chances are shot, a win against your archrival would at least salvage something from this season. The second argument is that Duke is flat out a better team. To this I completely agree. They are better in every facet of the game (especially coaching!!!! Sorry had to take a jab at Ole’ Roy… what a cry baby), except for post play on offense. Duke has better scorers and shooters from the perimeter (not hard to do because UNC has none), and Duke also has a great defense including great team inside defense.

    Defense is the first area I see a drastic difference. Duke has played great defense this year aside from a few games where they allowed too many easy buckets (i.e. G’town). UNC, on the other hand, has had no defense to speak of this season. UNC gives up 74 ppg on the season, but in the last 5 games they have allowed 77. In years past this would not be an issue because they had the talent on offense to score in the 90’s and the tempo they played allowed for opponents to get more possessions. This year however that is not the case. In their last 5 games UNC is averaging 69 ppg and it is not like they have been playing defensive juggernauts (Maryland, Wake, and NC St allow a ton of points). Aside from the obvious that UNC has to play better defense to win, I think they could pose a problem with their bigs inside altering shots. Duke is notorious for three point shooting, but this year they have been more of a slashing team that gets to the line. With Thompson, Davis, and Henson, UNC has the ability to make Duke one dimensional.

    The next area of concern in this game is the overall matchup problems that will be created. Duke has the advantage on the perimeter when it comes to shooting, but Marcus Ginyard for UNC is known for his lock down defense. He should be able to check Singler for most of the game and make it tough for him to score. As a fan that has watched every game, I know that Singler is one to force shots that aren’t there, so Ginyard’s defense will be an advantage for UNC. The one matchup problem UNC poses is on the inside. They are huge, but missing Zeller does help Duke. Both teams have a big rotation of players that play inside, but UNC has the advantage. Deion Thompson vs. Lance Thomas will be key tonight. Thompson is UNC’s only real threat to score every possession and he has a size advantage over Thomas. Although he has less size, Thomas is a very underrated defender. He has shut down Trevor Booker twice this season which is no easy task. The key in this matchup will be if Thomas can defend without picking up the cheap fouls that he is prone to committing. Ed Davis is underachieving this year, but he could have a big game tonight. Duke has the Plumlee brothers inside, but neither one of them have seemed to master the art of blocking out. Zoubek is a nonfactor for me because he is a waste of a 7’ body, although he is good for about 4 offensive boards a game. Henson is probably UNC’s most athletic player, so between their three main bigs, they have the advantage. Rebounding will be huge in this game. UNC must outrebound Duke to have a chance because it is tough for them to hit 60% of their shots, and if Duke outrebounds they will win going away.

    Scheyer/Smith vs. Drew/Graves is another matchup of interest. I combined the 4 because the defensive matchups will change during the game. Scoring wise Duke takes this one as well. Also, Drew has hands like two left feet and has turned the ball over a lot this season without much scoring production. Graves is the Tarholes one deep threat. Though a threat, he has not shown consistency to hit shots. Smith has been awesome this year in every phase of the game. He is too quick to face guard to closely, but if you play off he is shooting 44% from three. As always with Duke, outside shooting will be key, and these two guys will have to lead the charge. I mentioned Singler vs. Ginyard earlier, but I want to touch on it again. Ginyard is having to play a bigger role on offense this season, which in my opinion has hurt his defense just a tad. What makes this matchup even more in UNC’s favor is Singler’s struggles in shooting the three this year. By not shooting the three with any consistency, Ginyard will be able to play off and take away his driving ability. Singler must knock down a few jumpers early to keep Ginyard honest.

    Consistency, this has been a term lacking from everyone’s vocabulary when talking about Duke. This brings up my next area of concern. Which Duke team will we see? Will we see the same inconsistent (or consistently bad, whichever way you want to look at it) road team, or the team that has dominated at home? Man-to-man, if Duke plays their game there is no reason they lose this game because their talent overwhelms UNC’s talent. But…. As we all know, Duke has been bad on the road. Most of the poor play has stemmed from allowing easy baskets by committing turnovers. Scheyer has not been himself on the road. He has struggled with his shot at some points and he has turned the ball over. He will be the key to tonights game. He must shoot the ball well, take care of the ball, and check Graves on defense and not allow him to get an open look. If he does this then Duke has a great chance to take this game by double figures.

    The last area of concern is the Rivalry itself. Like I stated several times above: it does not matter what these teams records are. Both teams will come out with intensity, the Dean Dome will be buzzing, and nerves will be high. This is the game that both teams have circled since the schedule was released. While the air has been sucked out just a bit by UNC’s performance as of late, it is still Duke vs. UNC. What most people, me included, consider the best rivalry in all of college basketball, and some consider one of the best rivalries in all of sports. UNC will be ready. Duke will enhance their chances of victory if they can come out hot and get a lead early.

    I expect Duke to come out with a lot of energy than they have in the last few road games. With this increased energy will com increased nerves for both sides. Whichever team overcomes the early jitters first will win this game. Also, if this game is close in the end and Duke has the lead they have the advantage in FT shooting and can stretch their lead. Last time I checked they were number 1 in the nation in team FT shooting. My lean is Duke -5.5, but not as easily as some are thinking.

    Best of luck to all tonight (unless you are on UNC ML ), and I hope this helped some people out. Oh yeah..... AND TO HELL WITH UNC!!!!!
  • Kirchner
    SBR High Roller
    • 10-31-09
    • 247

    #2
    it is impossible to pull the trigger on UNC. it's either duke or no play.
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    • Dukebluejms
      SBR MVP
      • 10-21-09
      • 1633

      #3
      Originally posted by Kirchner
      it is impossible to pull the trigger on UNC. it's either duke or no play.
      That is what a lot of people on here are saying. I haven't read one person say they are on UNC. There have been a couple say UNC could win, but not that they are playing UNC. BOL tonight.
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      • SOUP
        SBR MVP
        • 11-02-09
        • 1325

        #4
        Honestly considering the rivalry I would weary to take Duke -6 and I do not think North Carolina is as awful as their record shows. No play me for me. Duke by 4
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        • drewdown88
          SBR Sharp
          • 01-02-10
          • 405

          #5
          My question is, is UNC really that bad of a team???, or have they not found the team chemistry they need to win. And the other question, is Duke really that bad of a road team??? First time in how many years they lost 2 straight on the road and eked out that win against B.C. Its a tough call, when was the last time This spread was so large, and UNC gettin this many pts at home.
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          • Dukebluejms
            SBR MVP
            • 10-21-09
            • 1633

            #6
            Originally posted by drewdown88
            My question is, is UNC really that bad of a team???, or have they not found the team chemistry they need to win. And the other question, is Duke really that bad of a road team??? First time in how many years they lost 2 straight on the road and eked out that win against B.C. Its a tough call, when was the last time This spread was so large, and UNC gettin this many pts at home.
            To answer your last question first, UNC was a 5.5 pt home dog in 2006. Duke won that game by 5. That was a completely different UNC team though. As for Duke's road record. They are worse on the road and it is because they do not shoot as well and they have more turnovers. And yes they lost 3 in a row last year on the road (Wake, Clemson, BC). And yes UNC is pretty bad. They have no shooters. They are completely one dimensional on offense, and a great defensive team like Duke should be able to exploit that. However, I undrestand your concerns. This will be a close game, but I expect Duke's FT shooting to be the difference.
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            • Big Dave's Picks
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              • 01-21-10
              • 478

              #7
              Great writeup DukeBlue and BOL tonight with the Devils your analysis was very helpfull. Its Duke or nothing for me tonight and maybe one or two more so hopefully we both can go undefeated tonight. Bookiekiller is now on UNC so at least we will win this one tonight at least, lol. Thanks again for the work and look forward to your other plays. Big Dave
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              • Sawsi
                SBR High Roller
                • 01-29-10
                • 182

                #8
                Good write up. My heart would really like to see UNC win, but my head just doesn't think it is possible.
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                • Soxsfan9
                  SBR MVP
                  • 11-30-08
                  • 3705

                  #9
                  Nice write up
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                  • ralphyG
                    Restricted User
                    • 01-01-10
                    • 80

                    #10
                    duke has def advantage even in unc
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                    • Glitch
                      SBR Posting Legend
                      • 07-08-09
                      • 11795

                      #11
                      good stuff. unbiased writeup in which you refer to unc as the tarholes hahaha. i think duke should destroy unc but you never know with a game like this. like you said- this is a huge game. this game IS rivalry week.
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                      • Dukebluejms
                        SBR MVP
                        • 10-21-09
                        • 1633

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Soxsfan9
                        Nice write up
                        Thanks. Just hoping to help someone out.
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                        • Law-Byrnes
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                          • 01-08-10
                          • 381

                          #13
                          Unc seems like they play even worse at home then they do on the road as of late. Do people really think Duke is that bad because of there one loss at N.C state and difficult time at Boston College. Wisconsin and Georgia Tech are there other losses and both very tough places to play. I don't think Coach K will let Duke will slip up at end against Unc like they did against BC.
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                          • Dukebluejms
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                            • 10-21-09
                            • 1633

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Glitch
                            good stuff. unbiased writeup in which you refer to unc as the tarholes hahaha. i think duke should destroy unc but you never know with a game like this. like you said- this is a huge game. this game IS rivalry week.
                            As unbiased as I could be, haha. Unbiased in the sense that I am not irrational and think Duke will just mop the floor with them. Should be a good game.
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                            • Tomato
                              SBR MVP
                              • 01-29-09
                              • 1251

                              #15
                              SportsInteraction puts out +7 (-110) while Pinnacle and every other book has -5.5, giving you a 6.1% edge.

                              Line has not moved while 70% of the public hits Duke - the most common ticket of the day.

                              Tomato's 2 lines of analysis > your 100 lines of biased square analysis.
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                              • goblue12
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                                • 02-08-09
                                • 1316

                                #16
                                Liking UNC tonight.
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                                • Wilforth
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                                  • 05-10-08
                                  • 16309

                                  #17
                                  Facts:

                                  UNC this year are not good.
                                  Duke are good at home but mediocre on the road.

                                  Recommendation: Pass!
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                                  • Dukebluejms
                                    SBR MVP
                                    • 10-21-09
                                    • 1633

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by Tomato
                                    SportsInteraction puts out +7 (-110) while Pinnacle and every other book has -5.5, giving you a 6.1% edge. Line has not moved while 70% of the public hits Duke - the most common ticket of the day. Tomato's 2 lines of analysis > your 100 lines of biased square analysis.
                                    Thanks for your input. My analysis was far from biased except for "Tarholes" and the jab at Roy Williams. I could give two shits about line movement and public betting trends. All I was doing was outlining the game as a whole. Where did I use any bias in my analysis of the game in general? If you feel like I was biased, oh well thats your problem. I gave props to both teams when needed. So thanks for your input, but don't call me biased.
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                                    • Dukebluejms
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                                      • 10-21-09
                                      • 1633

                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by Wilforth
                                      Facts: UNC this year are not good. Duke are good at home but mediocre on the road. Recommendation: Pass!
                                      Agreed. My play will be small if at all.
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                                      • Dukebluejms
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                                        • 10-21-09
                                        • 1633

                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by goblue12
                                        Liking UNC tonight.
                                        Your the first one! I could see how you could. BOL. I don't care if UNC covers as long as Duke wins.
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                                        • DaTruth10
                                          SBR Wise Guy
                                          • 09-23-09
                                          • 684

                                          #21
                                          Well dukie im the only one on unc and i don't mind being the only one that loses and wins!! I think its going to be a hell of a game and come down to the wire and not be a blowout like people are expecting
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                                          • Dukebluejms
                                            SBR MVP
                                            • 10-21-09
                                            • 1633

                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by DaTruth10
                                            Well dukie im the only one on unc and i don't mind being the only one that loses and wins!! I think its going to be a hell of a game and come down to the wire and not be a blowout like people are expecting
                                            I am definitely not expecting a blowout. It will be a good game.
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                                            • lak420187
                                              SBR Wise Guy
                                              • 05-17-09
                                              • 567

                                              #23
                                              im going with duke ML....
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                                              • dbldown
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                                                • 12-09-08
                                                • 1055

                                                #24
                                                It's hard to be a UNC fan this year.
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                                                • Dukebluejms
                                                  SBR MVP
                                                  • 10-21-09
                                                  • 1633

                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by dbldown
                                                  It's hard to be a UNC fan this year.
                                                  UNC will be back in 2 years. They will be competitive next year because they have a hell of a class coming in, but 2 years from now they will be back near the top..... Below Duke of course
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                                                  • Bones402
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                                                    • 02-02-10
                                                    • 697

                                                    #26
                                                    Im a Duke fan myself but given that its a rivalry game I cant pull the trigger on this game at minus 6 just to much goes against the trends in these kinda rivalry games
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                                                    • Dukebluejms
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                                                      • 10-21-09
                                                      • 1633

                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by Bones402
                                                      Im a Duke fan myself but given that its a rivalry game I cant pull the trigger on this game at minus 6 just to much goes against the trends in these kinda rivalry games
                                                      If I play it will be because of the FT shooting. If Duke has a lead late they should be able to extend their lead.
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                                                      • Andy117
                                                        SBR Hall of Famer
                                                        • 02-07-10
                                                        • 9511

                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by Dukebluejms
                                                        That is what a lot of people on here are saying. I haven't read one person say they are on UNC. There have been a couple say UNC could win, but not that they are playing UNC. BOL tonight.
                                                        Nice long preview, good job.
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                                                        • Doc JS
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                                                          • 09-15-06
                                                          • 6885

                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by drewdown88
                                                          My question is, is UNC really that bad of a team???, or have they not found the team chemistry they need to win.
                                                          My question is: Have you watched them? Becuase if you have, you know the answer is: Yes, there are that bad (comparatively speaking, of course). The Heels problem is basically two-fold: 1. Lack of consistent point guard play 2. Their high school all-americans have, by and large, not played up to their hype/potential.

                                                          I've always thought that "chemistry" was one of those chicken or the egg deals. Does "chemistry" lead to winning or does winning lead to "chemistry". "Chemistry" is what bad teams say they're lacking when they're not winning...

                                                          Originally posted by drewdown88
                                                          And the other question, is Duke really that bad of a road team??? First time in how many years they lost 2 straight on the road and eked out that win against B.C. Its a tough call, when was the last time This spread was so large, and UNC gettin this many pts at home.
                                                          Duke is not a "bad" road team...they're more of an average road team.

                                                          This game is a "watch don't bet" game for me...

                                                          BOL to everone!

                                                          Doc
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                                                          • BillyCostigan
                                                            SBR Wise Guy
                                                            • 11-18-09
                                                            • 712

                                                            #30
                                                            You never know what's going to happen with UNC this year. They have been flat out pitiful.

                                                            That said, Duke has been pretty damn bad on the road. I'm going to take UNC +5.5 at home in the rivalry game.
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                                                            • dukeblue888
                                                              SBR Sharp
                                                              • 01-15-10
                                                              • 360

                                                              #31
                                                              i disagree, duke plays hasn't played too poorly on the road. they beat iowa st, Clemson, and beat Uconn and Gonzaga on neutral courts. Take Duke all day. Carolina cant play on the road or home they are 2-3 at home
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                                                              • LT Profits
                                                                SBR Aristocracy
                                                                • 10-27-06
                                                                • 90963

                                                                #32
                                                                No wonder you are on front page sometimes. Awesome write-up!
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                                                                • nysmoneyman
                                                                  SBR MVP
                                                                  • 04-13-08
                                                                  • 3101

                                                                  #33
                                                                  duke wins this game ...UNC is a very bad basketball team...doesn't matter that they are at home...won't help
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                                                                  • drewdown88
                                                                    SBR Sharp
                                                                    • 01-02-10
                                                                    • 405

                                                                    #34
                                                                    Originally posted by Dukebluejms
                                                                    To answer your last question first, UNC was a 5.5 pt home dog in 2006. Duke won that game by 5. That was a completely different UNC team though. As for Duke's road record. They are worse on the road and it is because they do not shoot as well and they have more turnovers. And yes they lost 3 in a row last year on the road (Wake, Clemson, BC). And yes UNC is pretty bad. They have no shooters. They are completely one dimensional on offense, and a great defensive team like Duke should be able to exploit that. However, I undrestand your concerns. This will be a close game, but I expect Duke's FT shooting to be the difference.
                                                                    thanks for the analysis my friend, im still pretty torn though
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                                                                    • drewdown88
                                                                      SBR Sharp
                                                                      • 01-02-10
                                                                      • 405

                                                                      #35
                                                                      Originally posted by Doc JS
                                                                      My question is: Have you watched them? Becuase if you have, you know the answer is: Yes, there are that bad (comparatively speaking, of course). The Heels problem is basically two-fold: 1. Lack of consistent point guard play 2. Their high school all-americans have, by and large, not played up to their hype/potential.

                                                                      I've always thought that "chemistry" was one of those chicken or the egg deals. Does "chemistry" lead to winning or does winning lead to "chemistry". "Chemistry" is what bad teams say they're lacking when they're not winning...

                                                                      Duke is not a "bad" road team...they're more of an average road team.

                                                                      This game is a "watch don't bet" game for me...

                                                                      BOL to everone!

                                                                      Doc
                                                                      ill have to take the safe play. no bet
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