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  • EaglesPhan36
    SBR Aristocracy
    • 12-06-06
    • 71662

    #1
    EP36's NCAAB 2nd Half Formula Plays: '13-'14
    Greetings & Salutations. Getting this all prepped for tomorrow!

    Back for another year of the Madness and its grind. Sticking to the 2nd half plays that I have made a little money off of for a couple years now. It's not full proof, but it's worked well for me over the long haul. We'll have peaks & valleys like anything you gamble on. The key is flat betting, these are all going to be to win one unit.

    I really feel in tune with what I learned at the casino this past week that paid dividends that yielded dividends:
    Focus. Patience. KWTQ - "Know When To Quit"
    ... all three equally important to me.

    I will always try to focus on games as they head towards the half that look as if they could fall heavily towards an Under or Over play. Have to have the patience to pass on games if they don't fall into what I am looking for as far as an edge good enough to play. And always KWTQ. Don't play games just because they are on the board late and there is nothing else if they suck shit from the perspective of these plays. I've failed all these miserably at-times, but seeing things work out in front of your face has an impact when you follow f-ing logical directions from yourself!

    As I did the last couple years, I outlined the basics of how this formula works that I use. Again, there is a "gut feeling" aspect to this to, so just because it might fall within the #s, does not mean I will play a game.

    POINTS POSSESSION FORMULA
    What I do at half time for the games I look at is calculate the total # of possessions combined from both teams in the 1st half. The formula is as follows:Total Field Goal Attempts - Offensive Rebounds + Turnovers + (0.44 x Total Free Throw Attempts)

    After getting that number, I usually add five to that number to simulate the probable # of 2nd half possessions. The five is to account for extra fouling at the end, etc. Obviously in blowout situations, you want to remember that you may not get these extra possessions due to a lack of FTs or you may get them if the game is just foul heavy to begin with. Always important to look at those stats and also to know how foul prone your teams are to begin with. A useful site for this:

    http://www.teamrankings.com/ncaa-bas...fouls-category

    So, now we've got our number to look at and compare to the 2nd half total that is posted - this is generally what I look at.

    If that 2nd half total is well below the # of expected possessions, then the OVER is something to consider.

    Likewise, if the 2nd half total is well above the # of possessions, then the UNDER is something to consider.


    In both cases, I look at the 1st half total vs. the # of 1st half possessions to see what the point per possession ratio was. For OVERs, you want it to be better than 1:1 or better than a point per possession which would indicate that a lot of points can be scored again. For UNDERs, you want it to be lower than 1:1 which would indicate a lower scoring half could be on tap. In both cases, looking at FTs, tempo (FGAs) and the # of 1st half fouls is something I look at before making a final decision.

    The final decision for me is finding the games that have the biggest differences between the 2nd half total and the # of expected possessions. For example, if a 2nd half total is set @ 72 and the # of expected possessions is in the upper 70s with the 1st half points per possession being better than 1:1 ... OVER is a definite try. Vice versa, if a 2nd half total is set @ 80 and the expected # of possessions is in the lower 70s with the 1st half points per possession being right around 1:1 or less ... UNDER is a try.

    Just because the points per possession is over 1:1 in a half doesn't mean I will play an over and just because it's under 1:1 doesn't mean I will play an under. I try to look at all this and make a decision, so there is no one set thing that determines a play for me. I attempt to look at some games as they get close to half time that I think are going to be games that feature a good points per possession ratio either favoring the OVER or UNDER to cut down on the # of games I will look at overall. So in the end, it's an overview of all of this and then hoping to make a good choice. I always answer questions about these if you ask and all of this should sum it up for you - that the formula is my starting point with the gut feeling for the game being the ultimate deciding factor.

    Here's last season's thread for anyone who wants to look at anything. It lets you see the peaks and valleys, etc.

  • Louisvillekid1
    SBR Aristocracy
    • 10-17-07
    • 52143

    #2
    Good Luck, you do great work
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    • EaglesPhan36
      SBR Aristocracy
      • 12-06-06
      • 71662

      #3
      Thanks dude. Gonna be a fantastic way to waste an afternoon at work on Friday.
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      • EaglesPhan36
        SBR Aristocracy
        • 12-06-06
        • 71662

        #4
        11.8.13: Air Force-Army Under 74.5 [-110]
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        • dymd3z
          SBR MVP
          • 01-01-12
          • 1923

          #5
          let's get it EP!
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          • EaglesPhan36
            SBR Aristocracy
            • 12-06-06
            • 71662

            #6
            Tempo went totally opposite in the 2nd half. That's the way it goes some times.
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            • EaglesPhan36
              SBR Aristocracy
              • 12-06-06
              • 71662

              #7
              11.8.13: Citadel-VMI Over 83.5 [-110]
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              • EaglesPhan36
                SBR Aristocracy
                • 12-06-06
                • 71662

                #8
                Apparently we do not teach FT shooting at these two military institutes. FYI ... this started slowly last year before I found my groove after about 8-10 games ... so be warned if you see losses piling up today.
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                • EaglesPhan36
                  SBR Aristocracy
                  • 12-06-06
                  • 71662

                  #9
                  I actually thought that last one was going to sneak in, but a nice drought in the last 3:44. Like one point for two minutes screwed it all. Now I remember how lovely some of these are.
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                  • EaglesPhan36
                    SBR Aristocracy
                    • 12-06-06
                    • 71662

                    #10
                    11.8.13: Providence-BC Under 74.5 [-110]
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                    • dymd3z
                      SBR MVP
                      • 01-01-12
                      • 1923

                      #11
                      let's get this one EP..
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                      • EaglesPhan36
                        SBR Aristocracy
                        • 12-06-06
                        • 71662

                        #12
                        Can't catch a late drought like the last game of course. Possessions were right on course with the number, actually I think a little below ... but hot shooting.
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                        • EaglesPhan36
                          SBR Aristocracy
                          • 12-06-06
                          • 71662

                          #13
                          Trying to review the games after the picks to see what goes right/wrong. This one actually has far fewer possessions than the #s suggested, but the efficiency for both teams way up in the 2nd half.
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                          • EaglesPhan36
                            SBR Aristocracy
                            • 12-06-06
                            • 71662

                            #14
                            Obviously 0-3 stinks, but I can only say the Citadel-VMI game was a bad beat. The scoring drought at the end for over two minutes was crap. Normal scoring the entire way down the stretch and that one probably sneaks through.

                            The other two are the perils of the game for sure, tempos/efficiencies changing and the score goes the wrong way for your play.
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                            • dymd3z
                              SBR MVP
                              • 01-01-12
                              • 1923

                              #15
                              WOW
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                              • EaglesPhan36
                                SBR Aristocracy
                                • 12-06-06
                                • 71662

                                #16
                                11.8.13: Oregon-Georgetown Over 72 [-110]
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                                • EaglesPhan36
                                  SBR Aristocracy
                                  • 12-06-06
                                  • 71662

                                  #17
                                  Finally on the board with a W.
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                                  • EaglesPhan36
                                    SBR Aristocracy
                                    • 12-06-06
                                    • 71662

                                    #18
                                    Record: 1-3 [-2.30]
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                                    • EaglesPhan36
                                      SBR Aristocracy
                                      • 12-06-06
                                      • 71662

                                      #19
                                      11.9.13: Seton Hall-Niagara Over 78 [-110]
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                                      • EaglesPhan36
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                                        • 12-06-06
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                                        #20
                                        Nice to hit one of the few 2nd half totals that will be posted today.
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                                        • OhMyEli
                                          SBR MVP
                                          • 07-17-12
                                          • 1164

                                          #21
                                          I'll be tailing you here all season Eagles. lets get it
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                                          • EaglesPhan36
                                            SBR Aristocracy
                                            • 12-06-06
                                            • 71662

                                            #22
                                            Record: 2-3 [-1.30]
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                                            • EaglesPhan36
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                                              • 12-06-06
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                                              #23
                                              11.10.13: Iowa Team Total Under 50.5 [-110]
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                                              • EaglesPhan36
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                                                • 12-06-06
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                                                #24
                                                Books yook a bit too long to post these team totals. We'll see how this works out. Felt a little rushed and the line seemed off ... but that probably means Iowa will score 70 this half.
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                                                • Emancipator
                                                  SBR Wise Guy
                                                  • 04-12-13
                                                  • 788

                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by EaglesPhan36
                                                  11.10.13: Iowa Team Total Under 50.5 [-110]
                                                  doubt this happens, nice call. They should be pounding it down even with Omaha sagging but they're not.
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                                                  • EaglesPhan36
                                                    SBR Aristocracy
                                                    • 12-06-06
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                                                    #26
                                                    11.10.13: Colorado-Tenn Martin Over 77.5 [-110]
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                                                    • EaglesPhan36
                                                      SBR Aristocracy
                                                      • 12-06-06
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                                                      #27
                                                      Record: 3-4 [-1.40]

                                                      Tough break on the 2nd game. Finished at 76 Can't say it was a bad beat. Tenn-Martin just needed to make a shot and they missed three inside the last two minutes. Gonna monitor this last West Coast batch with Oregon State & then Washington to see what is out there ..
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                                                      • Goodluck
                                                        SBR High Roller
                                                        • 07-23-10
                                                        • 167

                                                        #28
                                                        I like the idea, great post and thanks alot for sharing.
                                                        But i feel like formulas as such just dont make any sense in basketball. Imo, the amount of rebounds/ fg attempts and everything else you factored in means nothing. It really comes down to how hot their shooting (or maybe, if they need the over or under themselves).
                                                        Not sure if im explaing it correctly, but being a avid nba/ncaab bettor and game viewer. Its pretty amazing as it looks like the whole game is scripted sometimes. You simply have to be on the right side.
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                                                        • OhMyEli
                                                          SBR MVP
                                                          • 07-17-12
                                                          • 1164

                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by Goodluck
                                                          I like the idea, great post and thanks alot for sharing.
                                                          But i feel like formulas as such just dont make any sense in basketball. Imo, the amount of rebounds/ fg attempts and everything else you factored in means nothing. It really comes down to how hot their shooting (or maybe, if they need the over or under themselves).
                                                          Not sure if im explaing it correctly, but being a avid nba/ncaab bettor and game viewer. Its pretty amazing as it looks like the whole game is scripted sometimes. You simply have to be on the right side.
                                                          No offense but you've kindof said a whole lot of nothing. I peek at EPs plays although I think in the long run a "hunch" I have would probably return similar, but "being on the right side" is the whole point. He is trying to put some numbers behind that other than watching a game and getting a sense of how its going. With 19 year olds I can't say you can accurately get a feel by just watching because all it takes is 3 missed shots in a row by a star player and the crowd chanting his name and that team is shot for the whole next half.
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                                                          • EaglesPhan36
                                                            SBR Aristocracy
                                                            • 12-06-06
                                                            • 71662

                                                            #30
                                                            I guess it's somewhat misleading to call this thread a "Formula" plays thread. In reality, the formula I use calculates nothing more than the # of expected possessions. The decision on what to play really is still a personal choice because as I laid out - there isn't a magic number that says play OVER or play UNDER depending on where the line falls .... the # of possessions though can lead you to an extent in the right direction hopefully if the #s are far off. I have found quite a bit that books base their 2nd half lines more on the game totals than anything else and don't necessarily adjust for game conditions.

                                                            It's just a guideline I use to start when looking at a total to take in the 2nd half. I have found it helpful to sort out plays that I might see as better or worse based on the stats or ones that I might have liked but skip based on the #s.

                                                            In reality, figuring out the expected number of possessions is just one part of the equation as to what you want to pick. You have to know the teams and their tempos to an extent - although I find that the game info is often more intuitive than what the team "normally" does as different opponents can force different teams into different styles. Also important to know how foul prone a team is more than just looking at the 1st half foul #s ... although that is largely helpful to determine some of how the refs are calling the game.

                                                            So in essence, the possessions formula part of this really is more of just a jumping off point for me. And I never take offense to anyone's opinion on any of this. This is how I like to play, it's certainly not full proof as I said or I'd be a millionaire ... just hoping it brings some money to us.

                                                            I would also say more often than not ... the teenagers playing the game are morons and they do alot of stupid things like fouling when they're down 20. You can factor stupidity into any pick in any sport.
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                                                            • EaglesPhan36
                                                              SBR Aristocracy
                                                              • 12-06-06
                                                              • 71662

                                                              #31
                                                              11.11.13: UConn-Yale Under 75.5 [-110]
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                                                              • EaglesPhan36
                                                                SBR Aristocracy
                                                                • 12-06-06
                                                                • 71662

                                                                #32
                                                                11.11.13: Temple-Kent State Over 78.5 [-110]
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                                                                • EaglesPhan36
                                                                  SBR Aristocracy
                                                                  • 12-06-06
                                                                  • 71662

                                                                  #33
                                                                  Disappointing shit so far tonight.
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                                                                  • EaglesPhan36
                                                                    SBR Aristocracy
                                                                    • 12-06-06
                                                                    • 71662

                                                                    #34
                                                                    11.11.13: Oklahoma-N.Texas Over 78 [-110]
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                                                                    • EaglesPhan36
                                                                      SBR Aristocracy
                                                                      • 12-06-06
                                                                      • 71662

                                                                      #35
                                                                      F-ing balls. That Temple-Kent State game finished at 78. My book had it at 78, but it went up to 78.5 right when I placed the bet. What a bitch. Also had a couple missed FTs down the stretch.
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