The conspiracy theorist in me wonders about this Knicks/Lin situation

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  • No coincidences
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    • 01-18-10
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    #1
    The conspiracy theorist in me wonders about this Knicks/Lin situation
    First time I've really watched a game from start to finish since Lin became the full-time point guard; only seen bits and pieces before now.

    Rick Carlisle, who is widely considered to be a great X's and O's coach and in-game adjuster, had a horrible gameplan for "stopping" Lin. This guy's going on how many games now and these teams supposedly aren't figuring out how to accentuate his weaknesses? It's just weird to me. Mavs are a very solid defensive team, yet they did absolutely nothing to slow this cat down today. Wide-open jump shots, getting into the lane whenever he wanted....just weird. Coincidence?
  • paco
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    • 05-07-09
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    #2
    Ever think he is just really good??

    and how are they wide open jump shots? He nailed 2 3pointers with Dirk right in his face.
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    • stevex
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      • 05-02-10
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      #3
      The NBA and NFL "plan" the Lin and Tebow stories to get better ratings...

      Makes sense to me....

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      • Pauulzcappin
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        • 04-23-10
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        #4
        I think you are going a bit too far. If you are going to question anything, it's about Dirk getting hammered with no calls and the LB foul favoring the Knicks when the game had a 3 pt diff.
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        • BigDeem5
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          • 02-26-11
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          #5
          Lin has no left hand, the guy goes right 99.9% of the time. Guards will figure it out
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          • lunchbawks
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            • 01-31-10
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            #6
            whats the big deal about lin. the hornets owned his azz
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            • Mikail
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              • 07-19-09
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              #7
              I think Lin is good. Very good. An NBA caliber player. However I have noticed a trend where as teams just appear to be laying back on playing defense against him. So to reiterate I don't question Jeremy Lin's talent. I do question how much teams are trying to stop him. For whatever the reason. It would be in the NBA's best interest for Lin to be successful. Wouldn't it?
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              • Sport_Fish
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                • 12-06-10
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                #8
                A conspiracy like that would have to be formed at such a wide scale that it's nearly impossible to be true. Something like that would involve commitment from entire NYK and DAL roster + coaches to come together and work out how to 'lay-off' or allow Lin to shine. I think there is 0% chance of anything like that happening in this league in this day n age.
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                • No coincidences
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                  #9
                  Originally posted by paco
                  Ever think he is just really good??

                  and how are they wide open jump shots? He nailed 2 3pointers with Dirk right in his face.
                  He's good no doubt, but he's also incredibly vulnerable.

                  Are you telling me he's gone from a D-League player/waiver wire regular to NBA superstar just because he's been given more minutes? Just like that?
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                  • No coincidences
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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Pauulzcappin
                    I think you are going a bit too far. If you are going to question anything, it's about Dirk getting hammered with no calls and the LB foul favoring the Knicks when the game had a 3 pt diff.
                    That's all part of it, though. If Lin were playing for the Bobcats, would this be happening? I'm saying that not only is he benefiting from some really interesting opportunities falling into his lap, but the Knicks are as well. It's not just about defenses going easy on or suddenly becoming baffled by Lin for whatever reason.

                    Originally posted by BigDeem5
                    Lin has no left hand, the guy goes right 99.9% of the time. Guards will figure it out
                    Exactly -- so why hasn't it happened yet?

                    Originally posted by lunchbawks
                    whats the big deal about lin. the hornets owned his azz
                    Again, exactly. Hornets shut him down when no one is watching and the Knicks lose SU to a horrible team on their home court, then they turn around today in a nationally-televised game and Lin's dribbling around like the Mavs are ghosts.
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                    • BigDofBA
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                      • 09-30-09
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                      #11
                      I pointed this out Before the game when I took NY.

                      Dallas is better but I knew somehow the Knicks would win.
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                      • No coincidences
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                        #12
                        Originally posted by BigDofBA
                        I pointed this out Before the game when I took NY.

                        Dallas is better but I knew somehow the Knicks would win.
                        Mavs looked totally gassed defensively, and nearly every 50/50 call went the Knicks way in the 2H. Again, I think Lin is a pretty solid player, but this seems to be going a little too far. He's putting up Magic Johnson-like offensive numbers.
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                        • hangtime
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                          • 10-26-11
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                          #13
                          Lol. was jordan's 6 rings a conspiracy too?
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                          • Pauulzcappin
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                            • 04-23-10
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                            #14
                            Originally posted by No coincidences

                            Again, exactly. Hornets shut him down when no one is watching and the Knicks lose SU to a horrible team on their home court, then they turn around today in a nationally-televised game and Lin's dribbling around like the Mavs are ghosts.


                            Had Hornets spread and ML

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                            • grizzlies1
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                              • 02-17-11
                              • 726

                              #15
                              There definitely could be something in it and you would be a little naive to just dismiss it totally. These days more than ever it is all about money. It is not good (in fact its downright awful) that the two teams in the biggest market (New York) are absolute shite (Knicks and Nets but more importantly because of MSG the Knicks). And of course the rise of J Lin is probably worth more money to the NBA from Asia than we could imagine, especially with Yao being a non factor now.

                              Of course it's a stretch but us mortals just don't know how deep these things can go. Perhaps everything has just fallen perfectly into place. Perhaps.
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                              • Mac4Lyfe
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                                • 01-04-09
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                                #16
                                Originally posted by BigDeem5
                                Lin has no left hand, the guy goes right 99.9% of the time. Guards will figure it out
                                I'm sitting with several friends watching the game and we were all dumbfounded how Dallas wouldn't just shade Lin to force him go left. When he goes left, he almost always drives then dishes but when he goes right he can throw up the right hand floater. You have just force him left all the time and don't double until he gets in the paint. I'm sure it's sounds simpler than it really is but it seemed real clear to me.
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                                • No coincidences
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                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by hangtime
                                  Lol. was jordan's 6 rings a conspiracy too?
                                  Yeah -- great comparison. MJ to Lin.



                                  Originally posted by Pauulzcappin


                                  Had Hornets spread and ML

                                  So did I.
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                                  • No coincidences
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                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by Mac4Lyfe
                                    I'm sitting with several friends watching the game and we were all dumbfounded how Dallas wouldn't just shade Lin to force him go left. When he goes left, he almost always drives then dishes but when he goes right he can throw up the right hand floater. You have just force him left all the time and don't double until he gets in the paint. I'm sure it's sounds simpler than it really is but it seemed real clear to me.
                                    So you're telling me that casual fans like you and I can see this but a coach regarded as one of the best in the NBA who just won a title last year can't come up with a gameplan to slow him down at all in a nationally televised game?

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                                    • No coincidences
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                                      #19
                                      Again, I just have a hard time believing Lin was just a "diamond in the rough" and a "superstar in waiting" when he was bouncing around BFE, trying to just nail down a roster spot -- let alone any playing time. If he emerged as a decent PG out of nowhere who spelled someone else or even played the majority of the minutes putting up half the numbers he has been to this point, I'd buy it. To be shredding the best defenders and athletes in the world basketball-wise on a daily basis seems a little far-fetched to me, a fan who's watched the NBA for 30 years.
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                                      • hangtime
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                                        • 10-26-11
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                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by No coincidences
                                        Yeah -- great comparison. MJ to Lin.


                                        wasnt comparing Lin to MJ..only asking if you thought his 6 rings were a conspiracy as well?
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                                        • Kalibongo
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                                          • 01-27-12
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                                          #21
                                          That is no coincidence.
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                                          • No coincidences
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                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by hangtime
                                            wasnt comparing Lin to MJ..only asking if you thought his 6 rings were a conspiracy as well?
                                            Why would I? Jordan was the best player on the planet at the time, and arguably the best ever. I guess I don't see what one has to do with the other.
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                                            • Walulu
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                                              • 03-20-10
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                                              #23
                                              No matter what he has to make the shots. Shooting 3s in Dirk's face is one thing, nailing them another. I suppose the ball is somehow guided in to the basket to make all the shots he's taken? I don't buy it. There are other athlete's who take advantage of opportunity - Kurt Warner comes to mind seeing he was undrafted and stocking groceries at one point.
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                                              • No coincidences
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                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by Walulu
                                                No matter what he has to make the shots. Shooting 3s in Dirk's face is one thing, nailing them another. I suppose the ball is somehow guided in to the basket to make all the shots he's taken? I don't buy it. There are other athlete's who take advantage of opportunity - Kurt Warner comes to mind seeing he was undrafted and stocking groceries at one point.
                                                But Warner was more of a product of the system and the weapons around him. Lin benefits from his teammates, but it's not like he's surrounded by NBA stars that defenses have to keep honest, leaving the other team no choice but to let him fly.

                                                If you can name another player in league history who's done something like Lin or even remotely close in the past, I'd be impressed. No left, no quickness, but yeah, he can go for 30 and 10 every night, no problem.

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                                                • RJKing
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                                                  • 01-27-12
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                                                  #25
                                                  John Starks was stacking groceries too, also a great Knicks guard. I'm really liking this team. They'll suck again when Melo comes back and tries to own the team again.
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                                                  • AribaAriba
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                                                    • 04-03-09
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                                                    #26
                                                    have you seen his hang time on how he raise his hand and changes it to right, thats pretty incredible to watch and his running hook is just on the money. just fun to watch a pg at this caliber to have an mvp type of stats in his early career. add to that on how nobody knows him from the start and an undrafted player that just shines in a big market team, quite a story though.
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                                                    • wrongturn
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                                                      #27
                                                      Why did NBA conspire to allow the crappy Hornets to stop the Knicks' winning streak? That is what got me.
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                                                      • No coincidences
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                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by AribaAriba
                                                        have you seen his hang time on how he raise his hand and changes it to right, thats pretty incredible to watch and his running hook is just on the money. just fun to watch a pg at this caliber to have an mvp type of stats in his early career. add to that on how nobody knows him from the start and an undrafted player that just shines in a big market team, quite a story though.
                                                        Repeat this out loud. Does this make any sense to you?

                                                        Of this "caliber"? It doesn't take much to see his glaring weaknesses.

                                                        Again, Jeremy Lin definitely belongs in the league. That goes without saying. But you don't think it's strange he can just magically appear from nowhere and go for 30 and 10 on all of these teams in prime-time spots?

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                                                        • No coincidences
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                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by wrongturn
                                                          Why did NBA conspire to allow the crappy Hornets to stop the Knicks' winning streak? That is what got me.
                                                          Who said that game was a conspiracy?
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                                                          • ephi408
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                                                            • 03-20-11
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                                                            #30
                                                            did you even watch the fcking game?

                                                            they had shawn marion on him
                                                            they double teamed him off the pick and roll

                                                            wtf else are they supposed to do?
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                                                            • Pauulzcappin
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                                                              • 04-23-10
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                                                              #31
                                                              Carlisle was giving him room to drive when not double-teaming and fukking clogging the paint. You don't do that against a good 3-pt shooting team.

                                                              Nothing conspiracy-wise. Just saying.
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                                                              • yisman
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                                                                • 09-01-08
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                                                                #32
                                                                Bunch of threads already claiming Jeremy Lin is an NBA conspiracy from the commissioner's office.
                                                                [quote=jjgold;5683305]I win again like usual
                                                                [/quote]

                                                                [quote=Whippit;7921056]miami won't lose a single eastern conference game through end of season[/quote]
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                                                                • No coincidences
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                                                                  #33
                                                                  Originally posted by ephi408
                                                                  did you even watch the fcking game?

                                                                  they had shawn marion on him
                                                                  they double teamed him off the pick and roll

                                                                  wtf else are they supposed to do?
                                                                  Originally posted by Pauulzcappin
                                                                  Carlisle was giving him room to drive when not double-teaming and fukking clogging the paint. You don't do that against a good 3-pt shooting team.

                                                                  Nothing conspiracy-wise. Just saying.
                                                                  So you guys are saying he's unguardable and indefensible? That there's no gameplan for a scrub PG with no left and no quickness?

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                                                                  • jsmithj88
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                                                                    #34
                                                                    maybe the kid is just good?
                                                                    steve nash had a similar story

                                                                    theres only 2 rounds in the nba draft, of course people get passed over.
                                                                    rosters are more or less set by the time the draft ends.
                                                                    i think wat lin said about himself is pretty true
                                                                    he doesnt do anything flashy, hes not super athletic, so hes often overlooked
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                                                                    • ThaTopMoron
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                                                                      • 04-30-10
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                                                                      #35
                                                                      i lost being on the Mavs, get over it... no conspiracy.
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