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  • WIZARDOFBEANTOWN
    SBR Posting Legend
    • 03-18-10
    • 13389

    #5041
    Five Secrets of Sharp Bettors

    most casual bettors don’t make a profit from their sports betting hobby. This includes bettors who are relatively sharp as well as those who couldn’t pick a winner if their lives depended on it. That’s not a horrible thing either – if every bettor won, sportsbooks would be going belly up and bettors would run out of places to play. Many bettors really don’t seem to care very much about earning a long term profit. They like to have some action on games as a form of recreation or excitement, not as an investment decision. Many of these types of bettors are far more interested in TV games than anything else, and they tend to bet more on bigger games, like the Super Bowl or the NCAA Tournament.
    Much of the industry jargon considers money management as important as picking winners, if not more so. And it certainly is. But throwing around buzzwords like ‘money management’ and describing esoteric concepts like ‘isolate a percentage of bankroll’ and ‘positive expectation bets’ really doesn’t help the fortunes of most recreational bettors.
    If you, personally, are content with betting for entertainment purposes only than this essay will serve little purpose. But if you wish to be a successful sports bettor, even as an amateur, and earn a profit from your betting over an extended period of time, here are some tips that should help you in that quest.
    Don’t bet into bad numbers
    Professional handicappers recognize the value of the half point. On the average college basketball Saturday, for example, there are at least ? dozen games that are won or lost against the spread by a point or less. If he bet on the game, the pro bettor will be on the right side of just about every one of those decisions. He’ll either be getting the push when others lost, or he’ll get the win when others pushed. (I use ‘he’ because, to be honest, every professional sports bettor that I know is a man – this is a very segregated industry in that regard).
    The pro will take the extra time to shop around for the best number at multiple sportsbooks. He’ll have accounts that are funded in enough places to ensure that when he finds the line that he is looking for, he’ll be able to place the bet. He’ll have an idea of which direction the line is likely to move, enabling him to bet early or late, depending on which time offers an advantageous number.
    The pro wins by a half point far more often than he loses by the hook. Making a modest 20 bets a week (1000 a year, a number that is on the low side for most professionals), it is not unusual to gain an extra 10 or 15 wins a year and another 10 or 15 pushes just by betting into good numbers. Assuming the bettor is betting a modest 2% of his bankroll on any given play, those 20 or 30 favorable decisions translates into a 40-60% swing in his return on his sports betting investment. That’s not chump change, folks, it’s hard earned profit gained one half point at a time!
    Make more straight bets and fewer parlays
    Professional bettors make the vast majority of their bets as straight bets, not as parlays. For amateurs, the number is closer to 50:50, and there are many, many amateurs who rarely straight bet at all. But the straight bet is the pro’s bread and butter.
    Professionals are satisfied with the return on investment from a 3-2 day, or a 12-8 week. They are in it for the long haul, not always looking for the quick score that parlays provide. Amateurs are often lured by the big paydays that winning parlays provide, conveniently forgetting that a season largely consisting of steady 2-1 type days will be even more profitable than the big hits that parlays provide even in a good overall season.
    Straight bettors never curse the 4-1 days – when they pick more winners than losers – because they make a profit every time, while parlay bettors don’t. There’s a reason that every sportsbook in Las Vegas has their parlay cards prominently displayed – frankly, parlays pay the bills at most joints here in town. That’s not to say pro bettors never go for the long shot score, but when they do, they do it for a considerably lesser percentage of their bankroll, and they do it in conjunction with their straight bets, not in lieu of them.
    Concentrate more on box scores and less on final scores
    It’s easy to look at the final score of a game and make all kinds of false assumptions. This team got killed; that team gave ‘em all they could handle. But without reading game recaps and looking at box scores, you really have no idea of what took place, and what kind of current form the teams you are examining are in.
    It’s key to handicap games again, after the games are over. What happened that you expected to happen, and what was a surprise? Which things are likely to repeat themselves, and which are something of an anomaly?
    Here’s an example. The Pistons play the Cavs at home, as nine point favorites, but win by only seven, 97-90. But looking at the box score, it’s clear that Detroit dominated for most of the game. The Pistons won the rebounding battle and forced Cleveland into turnovers. They led by double digits at halftime and after three quarters. But the Cavs hit some late shots in garbage time and made the final score closer than the game was.
    On that same night, the Wizards are nine point favorites to the Raptors, and win by that same 97-90 margin. But the box score here indicates a whole different story. The Wizards trailed throughout this game, but got hot in the 4th quarter to steal the win. Washington made an uncharacteristic 27-30 from the free throw line, and hit ten three pointers, while Toronto shot just 4-19 in the 4th quarter.
    By examining the box scores you can recognize that the Pistons are in better form than the Wizards. Your expanded knowledge of how the two games with the same final score actually played makes your future wagers involving those teams more likely to be successful.
    Take advantage of value
    Linesmakers have a pretty good idea of which way the money is going to flow once they hang their opening numbers. And amateur bettors are a big part of this, falling in love with ‘public’ teams, betting them over and over again.
    In college sports, these ‘public’ teams are usually in the Top 25, from a major conference – well known schools. In the pro sports, they are the hottest teams, teams at the top of their respective divisions or conferences. The professional bettor will recognize this public bias, notice that the lines are inflated for many of the best teams in the country, and either bet against many of the good teams or pass on their games entirely.
    Instead, the pro’s concentrate much more on backing the ‘good but not great’ type of squads, teams that have fallen underneath the public’s collective radar, as well as fading some of the mediocre type squads that are in poor current form. The pros bet against Top 25 clubs far more often than they back ‘em – that’s where the value is, catching six points with an underdog that should only be getting four.
    It’s equally important to recognize when the linesmakers have priced you out of a play. The Mavericks and the Suns have been red hot in the NBA for the last months. While few bettors of any ilk like to step in front of juggernauts like these, they also recognize that the time to back these two squads has come and gone – there’s no value on their respective sides now that the linesmakers and bettors have finally made the necessary adjustments.
    Be smart when betting your streaks.
    It’s one of the most common mistakes that amateurs make, and it’s quite possibly the most costly. Amateurs press their losses, raising the stakes to get back to even off a losing week/streak. Pro bettors know that there will be times when you lose more than you win. Hopefully, those times are few and far between, but inevitably, they will happen to everybody.
    Rather than raising the stakes during a bad run, the pro lowers his stakes, conserving bankroll while waiting for things to turn around. There’s no ‘double or nothing’ attitude on Monday Night Football games for the pro.
    Conversely, the pro knows that winning streaks are the time to press your bets, not the time to pull back with a conservative approach to their recent profit. When a ‘capper is in good form and good rhythm, with his read on the games in solid form and the bounces generally falling in his direction, he’s not afraid to raise his stakes a bit, making larger plays when the percentages are in his favor (positive expectation wagers).
    It sounds so basic – don’t chase losses, ride your winning streaks, but few amateur bettors are able to maintain an even keel during periods of higher rates than the norm of both successes and of failures.
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    • WIZARDOFBEANTOWN
      SBR Posting Legend
      • 03-18-10
      • 13389

      #5042
      people who can post picks sonny , ayo ,youngbuck, me , bos that's enough to keep track of sorry or else it gets to hard to follow.
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      • WIZARDOFBEANTOWN
        SBR Posting Legend
        • 03-18-10
        • 13389

        #5043
        leans with no units involved are fine if your asking for advise or telling us a play you love . No disrespect but this is the way it is theres no special club here just dudes that have been here since day one
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        • face
          SBR Posting Legend
          • 01-31-11
          • 14740

          #5044
          bean you betting celtics? pierce playin?
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          • pacocn
            SBR Posting Legend
            • 07-05-10
            • 12934

            #5045
            wiz, great write up, very informative, thanks for the info.
            and i will only post leans here. not very often either only
            when i have a very confident vibe like the suns the other night
            b day celebration
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            • face
              SBR Posting Legend
              • 01-31-11
              • 14740

              #5046
              Originally posted by WIZARDOFBEANTOWN
              ya i like nc +10 but i think that duke wins the game su
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              • tennismenace76
                SBR High Roller
                • 01-27-11
                • 118

                #5047
                The only vibe I have is trying to make myself and other people here money! So don't hate on me. You can't take a little constructive criticism? Anyhow I will continue to post here. The reason I can't post everyday is because I can't spend my entire day handicapping sports! Chill out wiz. I dont know why you always feel the need to trash people like this...
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                • tennismenace76
                  SBR High Roller
                  • 01-27-11
                  • 118

                  #5048
                  By the way is it okay to post NBA plays here?
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                  • WIZARDOFBEANTOWN
                    SBR Posting Legend
                    • 03-18-10
                    • 13389

                    #5049
                    Date Away Points Home Points Home
                    Line/OU ATS OU FG%
                    Edge Reb
                    Edge 3PT%
                    Edge 01/30/2011 BOS 109 LAL 96 -2.5/184 BOS O BOS BOS BOS 02/18/2010 BOS 87 LAL 86 -2.5/188.5 BOS U BOS LAL BOS 01/31/2010 LAL 90 BOS 89 1/193 Push U LAL BOS BOS 02/05/2009 LAL 110 BOS 109 -7/206 LAL O LAL BOS BOS 12/25/2008 BOS 83 LAL 92 -2/200.5 LAL U BOS BOS LAL 12/30/2007 BOS 110 LAL 91 -3/198.5 BOS O BOS BOS BOS 11/23/2007 LAL 94 BOS 107 -8/203 BOS U BOS BOS BOS 02/23/2007 BOS 96 LAL 122 -8/209 LAL O LAL LAL LAL 01/31/2007 LAL 111 BOS 98 6.5/198.5 LAL O LAL LAL Even 03/20/2006 LAL 105 BOS 97 -2.5/203 LAL U LAL LAL LAL always comes out messed up
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                    • WIZARDOFBEANTOWN
                      SBR Posting Legend
                      • 03-18-10
                      • 13389

                      #5050
                      trash peeps just saying don't come in and not respect ayo and rub shit in peeps faces on why people didn't tail you believe me he wasn't paying attention to your play. so you shouldn't make it or take it personal and i hatelooking at phil hullmuth i know you like the guy but please change the avatar if you stay here .
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                      • WIZARDOFBEANTOWN
                        SBR Posting Legend
                        • 03-18-10
                        • 13389

                        #5051
                        most of the time you ask people to post plays on there threads on sbr . we talked about it and you left plus i said yes to quickly to you these are good not sure of your skills so can't have peeps tail you and lose money . so post as leans and it's cool ty don't cause fights in here between anyone or piss ayo of he's a OG here,.
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                        • WIZARDOFBEANTOWN
                          SBR Posting Legend
                          • 03-18-10
                          • 13389

                          #5052
                          papcon you have been here for a long time bro and you have proven yourself buddy all good for you bro and you asked a while ago it's cool
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                          • WIZARDOFBEANTOWN
                            SBR Posting Legend
                            • 03-18-10
                            • 13389

                            #5053
                            doing research on the celtics vs lakers the lline has moved toward the lakers early and with the on the celtics 53% and 47% on the lakers so far would tell us some sharp money went on the lakers to knock it down form -3 to -2.5. plus a lot of injuries for boston and pierce is playing just the flu but no shaq or semi but mainly no daniells to cover kobe might hurt the most cause it will be extra energy that either paul or ray will have to burn running around after kobe .
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                            • WIZARDOFBEANTOWN
                              SBR Posting Legend
                              • 03-18-10
                              • 13389

                              #5054
                              the lakers are 0-5 or 0-6 against the studs of the nba this year (dallas,sa,bos,heat)
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                              • WIZARDOFBEANTOWN
                                SBR Posting Legend
                                • 03-18-10
                                • 13389

                                #5055
                                who do you guys like tonight conn going into NY to face st john's ?
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                                • WIZARDOFBEANTOWN
                                  SBR Posting Legend
                                  • 03-18-10
                                  • 13389

                                  #5056
                                  sonny great day brother let me know what you see today
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                                  • WIZARDOFBEANTOWN
                                    SBR Posting Legend
                                    • 03-18-10
                                    • 13389

                                    #5057
                                    st john's is hard to read they show up at home most of the time and the thing i like about conn is that other's on the team are starting to score
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                                    • CantTouchAyo
                                      SBR MVP
                                      • 11-26-10
                                      • 3873

                                      #5058
                                      like uconn wiz, line moving in the right direction and there my team but ill probably tease it
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                                      • YOUNGBUCK
                                        SBR Hall of Famer
                                        • 12-16-10
                                        • 6510

                                        #5059
                                        Wiz im thinkin st johns theyve knocked off 3 top 15 teams in msg... Huskies needed a huge run to beat Seton Hall and have been shooting awful lately
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                                        • WIZARDOFBEANTOWN
                                          SBR Posting Legend
                                          • 03-18-10
                                          • 13389

                                          #5060
                                          WALTHAM — The anticipation is heavy as Ray Allen heads into tonight’s game one 3-pointer away from Reggie Miller’s all-time NBA record of 2,560.
                                          “Yeah, let’s get it over with,” Celtics [team stats] coach Doc Rivers said at yesterday’s practice. “My suggestion is they just allow him to have two open ones early. Just get it over with. Either that or give him a game-winning wide-open one. I’ll take either option.”
                                          The fact Rivers was laughing between his lines let you know he doesn’t expect the Los Angeles Lakers to play the willing foil tonight. But with the Lakers arriving at the Garden, it seems things have been scripted pretty well.

                                          Miller will be working the game as a commentator for the TNT broadcast.
                                          “It’s like the stars have aligned because he’s able to be here,” Allen said. “I always tell people the record’s not just about me, it’s about the people who have built into who I am and allowed me to get to this place. And then at the same time it’s about the people that have built this record up. Reggie’s the guy that built this record up to this point, and every other shooter that he’s had to beat out to get to the point where he’s at. So it’s a long list, and I’m glad to be making my way to the top of it.
                                          “The one thing I can say about Reggie is that he’s been in my corner the last three, four years. You know, I catch him in the hallway, catch him in hotels and he’s always been a great supporter of everything I’ve done.
                                          “He’s taught me kind of how to be even a better person, be humble when great things happen to you.”
                                          The Celtics guard went on to note that it remains a team operation.
                                          “But all the while there are so many individual moments taking place, and this is one of those moments,” Allen said. “My whole career I’ve been such a team-oriented guy, but now it’s somewhat a moment for me to stand up and say this is something that’s important in my career.”
                                          No news on Daniels
                                          General manager Danny Ainge had nothing new to report on Marquis Daniels, who suffered a bruised spinal cord in Sunday’s win at the Garden against the Orlando Magic.
                                          Daniels is still expected to be out at least a month. If his return is to be longer or is in any question, the Celtics will try to acquire a backup small forward to take Daniels’ place or as an insurance policy.
                                          “I’m looking into things right now, but right now I don’t have a roster spot and a lot it is going to depend on where we think Marquis is going to be the rest of this year,” Ainge said.
                                          Ainge was asked when he absolutely needs to know the prognosis for Daniels.
                                          “I’m sure it will be some time after the All-Star Game and before the (Feb. 24) trade deadline.”
                                          Delonte West went through his first full practice since breaking his right wrist Nov. 24 and added a lengthy shooting session for good measure. Rivers still doesn’t expect the guard to play before the All-Star break.
                                          “It felt pretty good,” West said. “If it was up to me, I’m confident in playing (tonight against the Lakers), but my timing was off. Familiarity with the plays wasn’t 100 percent, and I guess in a game like (tonight) we need for-sures out there. So I’m going to let it go.
                                          “I think they want to stick to the plan of at least a few more days of practice. With Marquis going down and Paul (Pierce) out (of practice with flu-like symptoms), I had to get on out there sooner than I expected, but I definitely surprised myself. I was able to go full contact. I got down in there scrapping around with the big guys a little bit.”

                                          No worries
                                          Rivers commented on the criticism being leveled at Kevin Garnett.
                                          “I don’t think Kevin cares one way or the other,” Rivers said. “We sure don’t. I just think once it gets rolling, then everyone picks on everything. We should call him Lindsay Lohan.”
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                                          • LTCOL27
                                            SBR Wise Guy
                                            • 12-03-09
                                            • 511

                                            #5061
                                            Originally posted by WIZARDOFBEANTOWN
                                            sonny great day brother let me know what you see today
                                            This thread, with Bean and Sonny, is the best NCAA thread. These guys here are sharp as hell!

                                            In between work, the wife and kids, I really look forward to seeing every day what you and Sonny are on Bean. Here are some points to thank you guys for the solid day yesterday. Lets keep the good karma rolling!

                                            What do you fellas think about Penn St. +6 against a struggling Michigan St. team?
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                                            • WIZARDOFBEANTOWN
                                              SBR Posting Legend
                                              • 03-18-10
                                              • 13389

                                              #5062
                                              well 1st thanks for the support and the kind words LT COL and thanks for your service more little Bro is a Ranger just came back a while ago broke his neck in a helicopter accident he got a plate in his neck and he was good to go,but it'did cost him his career. As for penn st they have been playing great in last 5 or so let me look i'll be right back mich st is hurting big time but i want to see if penn t is starting to perform yet on the road.
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                                              • sonnybaby
                                                SBR Hall of Famer
                                                • 12-04-09
                                                • 9770

                                                #5063
                                                Originally posted by tennismenace76
                                                I am Phil Hellmuth!! Nah, i'm not mad at all I just dont like how the people that post that aren't in this "exclusive club" of handicappers aren't taken seriously
                                                exclusive club huh

                                                have u been on here snice day one no
                                                do u have a track record of winning no
                                                do u post everyday no

                                                and if u dont like being taken seriously then leave cause u are a clown
                                                and if u keep talking shit to bean and ayo u will be in the exclusive club called I.C.U.
                                                LETS GET IT
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                                                • WIZARDOFBEANTOWN
                                                  SBR Posting Legend
                                                  • 03-18-10
                                                  • 13389

                                                  #5064
                                                  ya it could go either way with conn and st johns but conn has been horrible shooting the ball and just got by a improved setonhall with hazell back . leaning st john's but not sure yet just cause of the way they play against duke at msg but on the other hand uconn is 5-1 vs above 500. teams. ST John's is only 4-6 at home vs above 500. ???/ going to look into it
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                                                  • sonnybaby
                                                    SBR Hall of Famer
                                                    • 12-04-09
                                                    • 9770

                                                    #5065
                                                    Originally posted by LTCOL27
                                                    This thread, with Bean and Sonny, is the best NCAA thread. These guys here are sharp as hell!

                                                    In between work, the wife and kids, I really look forward to seeing every day what you and Sonny are on Bean. Here are some points to thank you guys for the solid day yesterday. Lets keep the good karma rolling!

                                                    What do you fellas think about Penn St. +6 against a struggling Michigan St. team?
                                                    GOOD LOOKS LT i will look into this for u
                                                    LETS GET IT
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                                                    • WIZARDOFBEANTOWN
                                                      SBR Posting Legend
                                                      • 03-18-10
                                                      • 13389

                                                      #5066
                                                      ICU CLUB LOL
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                                                      • sonnybaby
                                                        SBR Hall of Famer
                                                        • 12-04-09
                                                        • 9770

                                                        #5067
                                                        what up bean buck ayo and slimes whats goodie wit ya
                                                        LETS GET IT
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                                                        • YOUNGBUCK
                                                          SBR Hall of Famer
                                                          • 12-16-10
                                                          • 6510

                                                          #5068
                                                          Wat up sonny. You guys like denver -1 my fav play right now
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                                                          • tennismenace76
                                                            SBR High Roller
                                                            • 01-27-11
                                                            • 118

                                                            #5069
                                                            Continue to pick on me, but I'll be posting plays here to prove myself. It was nothing personal, I was just giving a little criticism and wiz you have managed to once again turn it into a personal attack. I'm not changing my avatar
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                                                            • rochestertitans
                                                              Restricted User
                                                              • 12-14-09
                                                              • 8149

                                                              #5070
                                                              paco thread v2
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                                                              • tennismenace76
                                                                SBR High Roller
                                                                • 01-27-11
                                                                • 118

                                                                #5071
                                                                Wiz, I like UConn in this spot. Also like the lakers. LEANS
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                                                                • tennismenace76
                                                                  SBR High Roller
                                                                  • 01-27-11
                                                                  • 118

                                                                  #5072
                                                                  Also LEANING Dallas Mavericks
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                                                                  • YOUNGBUCK
                                                                    SBR Hall of Famer
                                                                    • 12-16-10
                                                                    • 6510

                                                                    #5073
                                                                    No one was picking on you bruh just kinda weird that u.called almost everyone out and were asking ppl to praise u and this is beans thread wat he says goes ya dig?
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                                                                    • WIZARDOFBEANTOWN
                                                                      SBR Posting Legend
                                                                      • 03-18-10
                                                                      • 13389

                                                                      #5074
                                                                      i like penn st
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                                                                      • tennismenace76
                                                                        SBR High Roller
                                                                        • 01-27-11
                                                                        • 118

                                                                        #5075
                                                                        i NEVER asked for praise, I asked for a little respect. This issue is over. I'm moving on to handicapping now
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