did utah cover?
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All your fault jphil, never his fault. Just like his series losses.
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me too. load up on the b thenComment -
Any one Answer my question? The sports book begins at a spread example LAKERS at -4 and 2 hours after the spread becomes -4,5 and 2 hours after -5. and 2 hours after goes to -3,5 which value do I have to believe the first one and fit the game to the system or the others and not fit the game to the system? For example at the time Allen sent me his e-mail the Clippers was at -4 . @ hours before the Clipper's game spread was at -4,5 and one hour after I got his mail the Clippers went up -3,5....Which value is the right one and why should be the -4 at the time that Allen chose the game and not before or after that the game didn't "fit" the system criteria? Did you grt my point or not yet? How Can we trust this ?Shouldn't he explain (I sent an e-mail asking that but nothing).Comment -
A bets hitting 56% Shouldn't bet A bets. 45/79 total bets now i believe.Comment -
Its really not that hard. Your question was already answered! Please learn how to read. If he says Clippers -3.5 and you see spread at -4 then buy 1/2 a pt. Whats so hard to understand? BTW the Updated is SAC +10, i seen the spread at +9.5 so i bought 1/2 a pt.
JM is a little different cause he doesn't say the spread he is betting on. You can use covers.com to check the highest spread of the day and buy 3 4 or even 5 pts if you want to be really strict. Most of us just continue to bet C if 1/2 the people lose and 1/2 the people win cause the spread changed. It doesn't happen very often, but B or C usually covers if there is a discrepancy with the spread.Comment -
am i right in saying ind didnt cover??Comment -
I agree with JM Disciple above. When SBP releases there picks with the lines, I make sure I bet that exact line. Sometimes I will have to buy points to get the line that was released. I do this to so my records reflect the same as SBP's and a 1 or .5 points could mean a difference between and win or series loss. For JM, I only use one book so I have to go with the line available at that book.Comment -
yeah 0.5 or 1 point aint much juice wise, i used sbp for the first time tonite clipppers -110 odds feels great
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No I read very well and I didn't wait for you to tell me how to read and if I can read. If you don't want answer don't but please be polite as I am with everybody.
I think you didn't understand my question. He says (Allen Rich SBP) THAT he picks the games or that you should pick the games according TO THE SPREAD YOU SEE AT THE BOOKER. OK? then you pick the game and you buy 1/2 point ok? But which spread do I have to see? LAL was -4 at the morning and then became 4.5. LA Clippers was at 4.5 and then became 4 so you buy a half point....etc But I am talking about the criteria.....And I am asking again do pick the games that is almost -4 or -1 or -3 for example if one game's spread is at -3,5 do I pick it for betting or not....If I understood well he says that you should pick the games which are exactly at -3 or -1 or -4 and thne buy 1/2 a point....Is that right.....And I am asking again how you understand that this is the exact price of the spread as long as it goes up or down 1/2 or 1 point during the day. I asked you why because you saw it at the certain moment that you logged in your book and the spread had the exact price that fits the system? You take the middle spread price of many books? I don't think that anyone asked about it.....And I understood it because of the time difference that America has from Greece that I am leaving. Because I see the spreads very early in the morning for me midtime for you and I can see that they are changing all the time until the game starts....And I am asking again which price of all I am supposed to "fit" in the system? Got it now?Comment -
Ok I'll give the asnwer that Allen sent just right now.Sir,
When I receive his first mail with today pick which was Clippers I had the question above in my mind and so I asked him back
What about Lakers ?
The spread on Pinnacle is -4[/I]
And he answered:
I know, but I look at more than 1 sportsbook. Not every game is the exact same spread everywhere, so whichever game is closest to the true number is the game that gets selected.
Regards,
RichComment -
So he looks for the mid range of the spreads ? Now Did you understand Dicipline? He looks for the mid range of the spreads that the books give for every single game. Then He finds the mid range of the of the spreads to each game and he sees which mid range is closer to the true numbers that he gives you. Mr Dicipline...Comment -
For most of us, we dont have to worry about what the criteria is cause he post his plays every day under service plays. We just see what game he picked then bet on it. Really simple for most of us. No research necessary. Yes i understand... just find it pointless to research if the games are already selected for you.Comment -
fotzan i think you are over complicating it for yourself bro. mr allen has been v sucessful with his plays just take whatever price he gives and bet accordingly
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Rich Allen is da man........Great system plays.....Comment -
Ok guys the point that I have is that they are not giving us the hole theory as they should have done....Yes I know that Rich Allen is sending e-mails to his customers but what happens if you connot make it to read his e-mails and you still want play. DOn't yo have the right to play ? For example I AM NOT ABLE to read his e-mails at the time I should won't I Bet?Comment -
However Rich Allen is a honest guy and answered to my second e-mail too...This my second e-mail:"The sports book begins at a spread example LAKERS at -4 and 2 hours after the spread becomes -4,5 and 2 hours after -5. and 2 hours after goes to -3,5 which value do I have to believe the first one and fit the game to the system or the others and not fit the game to the system?
For example at the time you sent me his e-mail the Clippers was at -4 . 2 hours before the Clipper's game spread was at -4,5 and one hour after I got your mail the Clippers went up -3,5....Which value is the right one and why should be the -4 at the time that you chose the game and not before or after that the game didn't "fit" the system criteria? Did you grt my point or not yet? How Can we trust this Criteria? A Factor is A factor only if It is a stable variable....The variable that you have built your system is stable? The booker shouldn't make the same odds and spreads I agee that they have to varry as they are made by a booker...But you have to give me a way to judge when exactly to fit a game to your system or not...becasue the -1 is possible during the day to become -1,5 or -2 or -0.5....Should I trust the - 1 because I just saw it that moment or not because it changed after? Ok I will agree again that you sent me the e-mails but I would like to learn the system and play it even if I will not be able to receive your mails for several reasons."
And he answered: "Sir,
Regarding your comments about what line or when the line matters, I worked at an offshore sportsbook for 8 years and sometimes the opener can be a 'false' opener. What I mean by that is, they release a number, the sharp players bang it up and when the dust settles that's your 'real' opener. That's what we're looking for - the real number.
This is the number the game stays on most of the week for NFL and for most of the day for MLB and NBA (barring an injury or suspension etc.). I also tend to disregard the last hour flurry that happens as well. This is more driven by the public at large and we don't put much stock in what they think. So that's why I give out the plays at 3 PM EST. You're looking for the spread around that time: after it's been banged up but before the public goes nuts right before gametime.
Regards,
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That's all for now guys. Thanks a lot I hope I helped a little...Comment -
Do you know the matches for today in JM System V1, B??Comment -
Thanks CoyloComment -
thanks for the save wallco
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JM's NBA system:
01/17/2011 Phoenix @ New York - V1, A bet - WIN
01/17/2011 Utah @ Washington - V1, A bet - LOSS
01/17/2011 Indiana @ L.A. Clippers - V1, A bet - LOSS
V1record so far (finished series): 27-2
(A): 11-18
(B): 13-5
(C): 3-2
Lost series:
PHO 11/17-20
DET 12/07-10
V2 record so far (finished series): 16-1
(A): 12-5
(B): 2-3
(C): 2-1
Lost series:
MIN 10/30-11/03
V3 record so far (finished series): 31-1
(A): 15-17
(B): 14-3
(C): 2-1
Lost series:
CLE 12/04-07
Guys, i probaly won't have internet access for next week so i post here plays till the end of january. I'll catch up records when i'll be back.
01/19/2011 Utah @ New Jersey - V1, B bet
01/19/2011 Indiana @ Golden State - V1, B bet
01/19/2011 New York @ Houston - V1, A bet
01/22/2011 Memphis @ Milwaukee - V1, A bet
01/22/2011 Cleveland @ Chicago - V3, A bet
01/22/2011 San Antonio @ New Orleans - V3, A bet
01/25/2011 Charlotte @ Sacramento - V1, A bet
01/25/2011 Denver @ Washington - V1, A bet
01/26/2011 New Orleans @ Golden State - V3, A bet
01/27/2011 Boston @ Portland - V1, A bet
01/27/2011 Houston @ Dallas - V3, A bet
01/28/2011 Washington @ Oklahoma City - V1, A bet
01/29/2011 Toronto @ Minnesota - V3, A bet
01/31/2011 Milwaukee @ L.A. Clippers - V1, A betComment -
mr morrison doesnt seem to include utah??
John Morrison's Sports Betting Champ System System Pick(s)
1/19 [B] Indiana
Golden State1/19 [a] New York
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I don't think this jackass knows his own system. This is the third time in two weeks his plays were not what they should be. I guess the best player broke a nail, or the ratio of men to women in the crowd is expected to be less than 65/35, or the weather outside the arena dipped below 41.6 degrees, or the team mother who cooks Utah their Campbell's soup before games was too sick to make the trip, or some other ridiculous filter he decided to add is coming into play. But one thing I can almost assure. He will give himself a victory if they win, and no loss if they lose. As I stated before, you no longer have a need for his email, treat it as spam. He is actually more concerned with selling us new products or offering us $100 to send others to the dark side. It only takes about two hours to do an entire spreadsheet for a professional sports league, then you will know all the plays well before they happen. Or easier yet, just log on to here. The people on here are much more knowledgable about his system than he is. Same with hockey. I don't receive his picks because I did it all myself, but I can assure you, I know it better than he does. UTAH is a v1 (B) bet, and send his mail to SPAM!Comment -
Ofcourse Utah is à play, alot of action tonight, atleast 4 plays With JM and SBP!Comment -
wallco i wasnt doubting you bro, i was just showing how big of a douche he is
knugen - what are the sbp plays for today do you know?Comment -
hasn't come out yet.Comment -
thanks shermComment
yeh, i know. At first i thought it was because i wasn't affilated w/ him anymore @ betus, but then again, why would that enter into it? I still get the mails FOR LIFE. 
