Can someone let me know what a "sharp" player is

[alamo]

My understanding is that their some sort of professional sports trader and pound lines where they feel they are getting good value. As an example, would LB, Paco and some of the other excellent posters here be considered sharp players ? What I mean by this - Is it based on how much money you bet or is it based on how good they are.
Thx in advance

[ThisGuy]

how good you are, if you're good the bet sizes will obv increase in time

[lyon804]

Sharp players are the one's with the info.. They are insiders close to teams and pay for inside information about certain things that will happen before a game.. Such as the refs and how will they call the game? Let them play or will it be alot of fouls called. Also, people close to the game and players no what players are motivated and feeling good. They also know who is hurting... Much more than that Espn BS you here about.There is a multittude of other factors as well being a sharp player.


There are some very good players here, but there are no sharp players here.

[shari91]

You could bet $5 units and still be a sharp. But after awhile you'd take a look at your success rate and would be silly not to increase your unit size.

[lakerboy]

On SBR the sharp players are the ones who never post plays and are always on the right side- like Fishead.

[HoulihansTX]

On SBR the sharp players are the ones who never post plays and are always on the right side- like Fishead.

Naw brah...

Sharp players go under the names like like the Tha_Diesel.

Fishhead is neither square nor sharp, b/c he doesnt post winners or loser. Just gibberish.

[shari91]

'brah', 'good day' and are the stars of the month. Bloody awesome!!

[shari91]

... wrong thread

[jgiun1]

On SBR the sharp players are the ones who never post plays and are always on the right side- like Fishead.

Agree with LB...people with that kind of money to pay for inside info and such are for sure not going to post crap in ANY forum online. Why would you ????

I thought sharp meant you did research and wrote the stuff and odds down with a Sharpie.

[HoulihansTX]

Agree with LB...people with that kind of money to pay for inside info and such are for sure not going to post crap in ANY forum online.

He was kidding about Fishead. At least I think so.

[shari91]

I got the sense that LB was being slightly sarcastic with that post but I could be way off base.

[jgiun1]

I meant to say and Quote Lyon...when he said there are no sharp people here. Lol

[jgiun1]

BUT I DO FEEL THERE ARE SOME GREAT CAPPING POSTERS HERE THAT CAN MOVE A LINE JUST FROM THE PEOPLE THAT FOLLOW HIM AND SMACKING THE SAME PLAYS DOWN AT THE SAME TIME.....THAT'S LB, #1 HANDS DOWN.

If he ever quit the forum, he could be a cool leader of a CULT. I'm in, as long as he don't force any Kool-Aid on us.

[lakerboy]

BUT I DO FEEL THERE ARE SOME POSTERS HERE THAT MOVE A LINE JUST FROM THE PEOPLE THAT FOLLOW HIM AND SMACKING THE SAME PLAYS DOWN AT THE SAME TIME.....THAT'S LB.

If he ever quit the forum, he could be a cool leader of a CULT. I'm in, as long as he don't force any Kool-Aid on us.

[shari91]

Well, wasn't it proven that TB moved the Greek's lines?? But that to me doesn't determine a sharp - that just says you have money to piss away gambling (especially considering that play was a major dud).

I think there are a few sharps here - although I hate to disagree with Lyon. Maybe not to the extent of going to move the lines every time they bet, but when their bankrolls grow enough to the point where they're capable of doing so, I wouldn't be surprised if they did.

[jgiun1]

trust me Shari......been gambling for many years and LB can move a online book with the volume of followers he has. I've been on several forums, 2 major ones, and in my online life, NEVER seen a NBA cult like he created.

[lyon804]

I meant to say and Quote Lyon...when he said there are no sharp people here. Lol

I feel you..but you have to know there is a huge difference between a "sharp" person and a "sharp" player.. I could name probably a dozen or more sharp people here, but none are sharp players and it has nothing to do with what they make. There are several here than have made 5+ figures this season, but I wouldn't consider them sharps. Shaprs are not capping games and crunching numbers because the info they have is stronger than that. Besides, Vegas has forgot more about handicapping than most here will ever know..That's why a handicapper will never be a "sharp player" if you feel me.


EX: you bet 300 on Boston the other day which appears to be the right call based on the action that moved it.I can tell you now my friend the people that moved it wasn't betting 300 on it. I know all this because I bet 2-3K on some games and the line doesn't move. I have bet that much and immedialtely after the juice shfted to my side, but never the actual spread.

[jgiun1]

i feel you..but you have to know there is a huge difference between a "sharp" person and a "sharp" player.. I could name probably a dozen or more sharp people here, but none are sharp players and it has nothing to do with what they make. There are several here than have made 5+ figures this season, but i wouldn't consider them sharps. Shaprs are not capping games and crunching numbers because the info they have is stronger than that. Besides, vegas has forgot more about handicapping than most here will ever know..that's why a handicapper will never be a "sharp player" if you feel me.


Ex: You bet 300 on boston the other day which appears to be the right call based on the action that moved it.i can tell you now my friend the people that moved it wasn't betting 300 on it. I know all this because i bet 2-3k on some games and the line doesn't move. I have bet that much and immedialtely after the juice shfted to my side, but never the actual spread.

you are so dead on....love reading your stuff.

[Goat Milk]

It's hard to be completely sure who to consider a sharp and who not, but Lyon is right

Some cappers get too caught up looking at sharps though. It's great info, but their "inside" info isn't as accurate as you might think, especially during the playoffs. Thats why for particular series', you have to disregard sharps and public plays. Seriously can be thrown right out the window for certain matchups and has been like this for as long as I can remember watching the nba and gambling.

[jgiun1]

It's hard to be completely sure who to consider a sharp and who not, but Lyon is right

Some cappers get too caught up looking at sharps though. It's great info, but their "inside" info isn't as accurate as you might think, especially during the playoffs. Thats why for particular series', you have to disregard sharps and public plays. Seriously can be thrown right out the window for certain matchups and has been like this for as long as I can remember watching the nba and gambling.

We think alike also Goat.......I said several times also, those guys that rely just on season betting trends for plays are Doomed in the playoffs........whole other beast

[sweetjones55]

Sharp players are the one's with the info.. They are insiders close to teams and pay for inside information about certain things that will happen before a game.. Such as the refs and how will they call the game? Let them play or will it be alot of fouls called. Also, people close to the game and players no what players are motivated and feeling good. They also know who is hurting... Much more than that Espn BS you here about.There is a multittude of other factors as well being a sharp player.


There are some very good players here, but there are no sharp players here.

I'm close with a bunch of Hurricane players, does that make me a sharp? I could guarantee you that there are sharp players on here. There are plenty of people on here that are close with players/coaches on certain teams. The sad thing is that even knowing some of the UM players/coaches personally still hasn't really helped me. They are just too bias.

[syn^]

This is my sharp.

[jgiun1]

My brother dated the late Steeler announcer Mryon Copes daughter for 2 years, a few years before Myron died.......and had a good friends ex SMOKIN HOT wife that dated Cedric Wilson when a Steeler........all the info I got from all that, Hines Ward likes to finger a girls ass while dancing with them and Liz the daughter was one stinking rich spoiled ass kid who took mental meds like a baby does candy .......

[big0mar]

Sharp guys don't get inside info. They just know how to cap games, real well. They watch tape, etc.

If you see people on this board that win a lot, its usually because they read lines well enough to know where the sharp money is going.

[Goat Milk]

Sharp guys don't get inside info. They just know how to cap games, real well. They watch tape, etc.

If you see people on this board that win a lot, its usually because they read lines well enough to know where the sharp money is going.

i cap games very well and i study film before i place any bets, i read into line movements but I'm not as good at that as some cappers like LB and Xpert. I know when to regard/disregard sharps and public plays. I can diagnosis a matchup as good as any coach or nba analyst and study film (which the majority of successful gamblers don't do) but I am not a sharp...

[lakerboy]

Sharp guys don't get inside info. They just know how to cap games, real well. They watch tape, etc.

If you see people on this board that win a lot, its usually because they read lines well enough to know where the sharp money is going.

Come on bro you know better than that. So they watch a lot of tape but wait until 6:55pm on a 7pm game to bet 250 k on a over moving the line up 1 -2 points right away. The sooner people realize that sports and gambling are intertwined the better off they will be . Inside info coupled with money moves lines- not watching tape. Never think that money isnt involved with pro athletes and referees. Get over that part and then gambling will be better for you. This isnt a business that is for religious zealots and politically correct folks. This is a shady industry with crooked folks.

[chiliv5]

Yeah, I will never be convinced players and refs dont have the spread somewhere in their minds during most games....

[lyon804]

I'm close with a bunch of Hurricane players, does that make me a sharp? I could guarantee you that there are sharp players on here. There are plenty of people on here that are close with players/coaches on certain teams. The sad thing is that even knowing some of the UM players/coaches personally still hasn't really helped me. They are just too bias.

True insider stuff like that ref Tim Donuguay. 10 straight games he reffed the line moved 1.5 pts and all 10 times the money that moved it won. maybe, that is an extreme example since he was a betting ref, but it was happening before he came in the league and it happens now across all sports. There are people that have info that we will never have about a game. It's always been like that my entire life. Again, I know there are sharp people here and good at what they do, but I am talking about a whole differnt animal here.


Las Vegas is some sharp money. You can tell how off there lines look sometimes they know something the average public don't know. professional organizations don't cross vegas either. EX. Colts -3 at home to NJ Nets.. that was a giveaway that Indy wasn't going to play there starters the entire game but they didn't announce it though. Vegas, knew it and the dumb, unsuspecting public didn't. Just one of the examples. Whenever I see an umcomfortable line I know it's best to roll with it. I have been gambling long enough to know what lines are off also.


For example Utah -4.5 at home to Lakers is way too high. That tells me Utah will cover that because if the Lakers had intentions of winning that game no way in hell Utah would cover that # Utah might win, but for real in a must win situation the Lakers would go up to the Energy Solutions Arena and absolutely shit all over the Jazz in a game 7 type meaningful game. This line tells me the Lakers are going thru the motions and Utah will get all the calls. No way the Jazz would cover -4.5 in a meaningful game against the Lakers at home or anywere else.

[lyon804]

Come on bro you know better than that. So they watch a lot of tape but wait until 6:55pm on a 7pm game to bet 250 k on a over moving the line up 1 -2 points right away. The sooner people realize that sports and gambling are intertwined the better off they will be . Inside info coupled with money moves lines- not watching tape. Never think that money isnt involved with pro athletes and referees. Get over that part and then gambling will be better for you. This isnt a business that is for religious zealots and politically correct folks. This is a shady industry with crooked folks.

Folks... this is the keynote address to everybody here that don't know. I couldn't have said it any better than that. I agree with this word for word. Read the above bolded paragraph again

[big0mar]

Come on bro you know better than that. So they watch a lot of tape but wait until 6:55pm on a 7pm game to bet 250 k on a over moving the line up 1 -2 points right away. The sooner people realize that sports and gambling are intertwined the better off they will be . Inside info coupled with money moves lines- not watching tape. Never think that money isnt involved with pro athletes and referees. Get over that part and then gambling will be better for you. This isnt a business that is for religious zealots and politically correct folks. This is a shady industry with crooked folks.

I'm not sure I 100% agree with that.

99% of my handicapping goes into NFL games, and I can usually get the line pretty spot on.

NBA seems a little shadier, and I do agree that money moves lines. But you need to know where to move the line.

[sweetjones55]

True insider stuff like that ref Tim Donuguay. 10 straight games he reffed the line moved 1.5 pts and all 10 times the money that moved it won. maybe, that is an extreme example since he was a betting ref, but it was happening before he came in the league and it happens now across all sports.

Very interesting, didn't know that.

[lyon804]

Very interesting, didn't know that.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3fHi0TADk3o

enjoy! There is a part 1 also you will see

[Wilforth]

A sharp player is one who bets on the UNDER in Edwin Jackson's starts for the Dbacks!

[Snowball]

street bookies are still where the biggest market is..those bets originate through a network of mafia bookmakers and are grouped into whatever amount the runners have to place at the casinos. small bookies call in their big bets up the chain and then a lump sum is placed in vegas. notice i said "big bets" because those are the only ones they have to call in. this results in the late line moves.
another reason why late money is sharpest is the dissemination of information and the higher quality of information right before game.

[vyomguy]

The shady stuff that happens in NBA doesn't happen as quite often in NFL. NFL is a different beast where every game is important for teams and match-fixing doesn't happen as often. Also, referees cant influence the game that much in NFL. Its only the later part of the season where some games which have no meaning gets fixed.

The biggest threat to bookies is the NFL season. Thats where they loose the most amount of money. Average public joe can make money if he is pretty decent at capping. Thats not the case at all with NBA and its a totally different beast. NBA is where most of the fixing shit happens. If you are capping NBA, you need to be on the right side of the fix or you wont last in this game longer.