Who wants my NBA plays?

[Goat Milk]

I feel bad for anyone that takes the lakers 2h. The Celtics are the play. I got the ml for the game big along with the spread. As mentioned earlier today by me, the Celtics will win. Take those extra points for the 2h net and make some cash.


Banner 18 coming soon. Go celts.

wow i just read through all the garbage posted in here last night. i told you not to get antsy No Coincidence. It's a 48 minute game. Remember you agreed?

JayMac anyone that took Celtics 2H is just dumb. They were getting manhandled on the glass like no other, Bryant playing horribly, Lakers barely trailing. When you get manhandled on the glass like that you do not win. You'll never win that game in the playoffs with that type of rebounding effort.

[t-wizzle]

I haven't been around in a couple days but that was a great nba finals. I really enjoyed coming to this thread night in and night out and discussing all the games with you guys.

A special thanks to LB for all the knowledge he shared with us this year. Your understanding of line movement helped us all make some money. And of course, you also "know a little about the nba." Thanks pal and congrats on another win for your Lakers.

Paco, I will be expecting a full summer of strip club specials. How can i not post this bro?





I'm looking forward to another season next year with all of you. Cheers everyone

[AmpleGamble]

Just wanted to say thanks to LB and Paco for all that they do for the forum. You have taught several of us too many things to mention about sports betting and helped us win tons of money. Hope to see you back next year!

[lakerboy]

Guys thanks. Im gonna ask the mods to close this thread if possible.

[ScarFace_1990]

Thanks for your contribution lb, was really helpful and profitable

[paco]

Guys thanks. Im gonna ask the mods to close this thread if possible.

1st ballot sbr HOF thread for sure.

[fly fisher]

LB you are the man, thanks for a great thread. You and Paco are class acts.

[MidgetTossers]

1st ballot sbr HOF thread for sure.

no doubt about that....

[OLBG Sports]

Guys thanks. Im gonna ask the mods to close this thread if possible.

LB.... once more I just want to thank you for all the plays!!!

Will you have a NFL Thread??

Thanks!!!

[matosh]

[QUOTE=lakerboy;2733226]Pm me if your interested.[/QU



leikersi

[Premierr23]

Thanks LB!
looking forward to the next season!

[tealish]

Man I'm so happy. Kobe's time. I have been waiting for this moment back to back for two years to legitimize the Jordan discussion once and for all. I heard Lakers were -7 at half who pounded it? LB did you have a play on this game? Paco L B Tealish ma nigggaaasss KOBEE TIMMEEE

GOAT:
You know I appreciate Kobe's game, but this ring doesn't exactly legitimize the Jordan discussion once and for all. He was great all playoffs, playing superb basketball. That can't be taken away from him. But in this game 7 he disappointed me, not only with the fg%, but with the way he played. Bad shots, over dribbling, unnecessary isos, not getting to his sweet spots, disappearing for long stretches, not trusting his outside shot on open looks.

He's an all-time great, definite top 5 I'd say, so he still found a way to win. Crashed the boards hard and got to the line late in the game. But as much as i know it pains you to hear, Kobe was not the most important Laker in game 7. This, coupled with his game 6 2008 performance, makes me realize that Kobe is a close 2nd to MJ. But that's where he'll likely forever stay.

[lyon804]

GOAT:
You know I appreciate Kobe's game, but this ring doesn't exactly legitimize the Jordan discussion once and for all. He was great all playoffs, playing superb basketball. That can't be taken away from him. But in this game 7 he disappointed me, not only with the fg%, but with the way he played. Bad shots, over dribbling, unnecessary isos, not getting to his sweet spots, disappearing for long stretches, not trusting his outside shot on open looks.

He's an all-time great, definite top 5 I'd say, so he still found a way to win. Crashed the boards hard and got to the line late in the game. But as much as i know it pains you to hear, Kobe was not the most important Laker in game 7. This, coupled with his game 6 2008 performance, makes me realize that Kobe is a close 2nd to MJ. But that's where he'll likely forever stay.

Let me second those sentiments.. Kobe for all purposes is one of the finest to ever lace them up, but the Jordan comparisons are stupid.


Let me give one simple example.. Kobe is great, but in case people haven't noticed they can guard that bitch. Does anybody here think that Ray Allen at 33 yrs old could guard MJ? Simple answer is NO!

Kobe takes and makes many tough shots. Also misses many.

Jordan created unreal separation when he went up for a jumper. Jordan had one of the best crossovers ever and his fadaway J is the stuff of legends. Jordan was unguardable especailly when it was crunch time because he created space.

Kobe makes shots, but cannot create space like Jordan did.



Kobe is hands down the best player in the game today and has been for a long time, but it really is not justice for MJ or Kobe to make any comparisons as such.


Here is the best comparison to make.. Simply say.. Kobe is the closest thing we have seen to Jordan. That's Fact. Everything else is just BS.

[Goat Milk]

you guys can't take that credit away from Ray Allen though defensively. That was one of the best defensive performances ever against Kobe Bryant.

Tealish Kobe was the most important Laker in game 7 by far, because he was drawing all the attention. Nothing else would be possible for those players if Bryant wasn't on the floor. Kobe's defense was also great.

But Gasol was definitely the player of the game in my opinion. Artest had no business taking 20 shots.

Lyon I'm not saying Jordan isn't better than Bryant. I'm just saying that you can't really make the argument that Jordan is better beacuse he has 6 rings. There are several other reasons why you can argue Jordan is better but championships is not 1.

[JR007]

Once the Los Angeles Lakers notched their 16th NBA championship with Thursday night's rough-and-tumble 83-79 non-cover home win against the 6 ½-point underdog Boston Celtics, the speculation started immediately about whether or not the back-to-back champs were gonna have all their key pieces in place for a "three-peat".
Here's our fearless prediction -not only will head coach Phil Jackson take a crack at grabbing his 12th ring as an NBA head coach (six in Chicago and five in LA, of course) but something tells us the Lakers will be landing a star player to boot this off-season.
Okay, so maybe that's a discussion for another day but everyone likes to look into the crystal ball, don't they?
As it turned out, the Lakers' 16th and -quite possibly -sweetest NBA championship ever really never did have that feel-good nature to it from the start as LA fell behind by as many as 13 points before dredging its way back while spending most of the fourth quarter on the free-throw line. And maybe that was the single-biggest irony to this game 'cause the Lakers were downright rotten from the foul line all night long (see 25-of-37 for less than 68 percent) and looked very much as if they were gonna lose Game 7 because of FT woes.
You bet -there's a whole lot to say about Celtics-Lakers Game 7 and we'll get to it (including some under-the-radar keys)

NBA FINALS: GAME 7

LOS ANGELES LAKERS 83, BOSTON 79 -Lakers win series 4-3
Let's get a few things straight here while digesting all the happenings in Game 7:
Not only did the Lakers -as a team and not just NBA Finals MVP Kobe Bryant (6-of-24 field-goal shooting and 23 points) -show major mental toughness in the fourth quarter but TV replays pretty much illustrated that all of the fouls called on the Celtics in the final quarter were legit.
Quite frankly, the Lakers showed more aggressiveness en route to that 30-point final frame plus Boston was really running on fumes and some really tired legs finally caught up with Doc Rivers' club during the final frame.
Maybe it's crazy to say but Boston -even when leading by 13 points in the second half -should have been up even more considering the sorry state of the Lakers' stagnant offense. There was Bryant (who averaged 28.6 points per game this series) and sidekick F/C Pau Gasol combining to hit just 6-of-26 field-goal tries in the opening half and yet the Celtics led only 40-34 at the break. The Lakers just needed a flurry or two to get back into this game and the key fourth-quarter shots by Ron Artest (20 points) and Derek Fisher (an otherwise silent 10-point game) got LA back into the mayhem.
Next, consider that the oft-mentioned Lakers' "length" as LA bombarded to Celtics on the boards 53-to-40 but it was the whopping 23 offensive rebounds that really told the tale -- what happened to the "all hands on deck" mentality here as Kevin Garnett and Ray Allen combined for five caroms. Ugh!
As history tells us, home teams are now 14-3 in NBA Finals Game 7 tilts (an .823 winning rate) and note Boston became just the seventh team to blow a 3-2 Finals lead after winning Game 5 -and the proud Celts are gonna be spending a long time wallowing in this final hoops game of the 2009-10 season.
And now to those under-the-radar keys:
Lakers' boss-man Jackson made it a point to salute the Staples Center crowd but the ABC folks -and more about them shortly in our NBA Finals Bits & Pieces segment -barely spoke a word about the celebrity-filled audience that really was a key factor. You might have noted that when the Lakers got down 7, 8 or 9 points in the first three quarters they really became vocal and seemingly had a positive effect on an LA team that was closer than you think to melting down in a Game 7. Then, when the Lakers stormed back in the final quarter, they made it really tough on the Celtics to operate their half-court offense -it's not often we give kudos to a crowd (and especially a Los Angeles sports crowd!) but they were vitally important on this night.
Secondly, not enough was made about the Lakers' team defense in the final quarter:
Okay, so there was some chit-chat about the Lakers "stepping it up on defense" but here's a salute to ABC on-the-floor analyst Mark Jackson who said a stretch of defensive play in the fourth quarter was the best defense he'd seen the Lakers play in this year's playoffs. Just as the Lakers didn't move the ball for -give or take -the game's first three-plus quarters, here were the usually trusting Celtics looking to abandon a team concept and taking way too many reckless shots in one-one-one play.
Maybe you think we're being rough on him but Celtics point guard Rajon Rondo (14 points, 10 assists and 8 rebounds) showed a real character flaw here as he allowed his older teammates to fling up bad shots instead of getting the offense back in sync -hey, it only helped to cost Boston a potential 19th NBA championship!
Our final under-the-radar key was the Boston bench:
Okay, so veteran Rasheed Wallace stepped into the starting lineup for an injured/out Kendrick Perkins and wound up playing well (11 points and 8 rebs) before fouling out late but the other bench guys never did give off that energetic surge that was needed and Rivers gave 'em ample opportunities when starting the fourth quarter. If someone off the Boston bench would have been able to light a spark -even for just 3 or 4 minutes -this one could have had a different outcome.

Here's a final game-by-game look at this year's NBA Finals (note all home teams are in CAPS):
DATE
FAV
SPREAD
DOG
RESULT
6-3
LAKERS
- 6
Celtics
LAKERS 102-89
6-6
LAKERS
- 5½
Celtics
Celtics 103-94
6-8
CELTICS
- 3
Lakers
Lakers 91-84
6-10
CELTICS
- 4
Lakers
CELTICS 96-89
6-13
CELTICS
- 2
Lakers
CELTICS 92-86
6-15
LAKERS
- 6½
Celtics
LAKERS 89-67
6-17
LAKERS
- 6½
Celtics
LAKERS 83-79

Final NBA Playoffs Pointspread Update:
Note that NBA Finals Betting Favorites wound up going 4-3 ATS (against the spread) and it's worth mentioning that Game 7 marked the only time this series that the Betting Favorite won the game SU (straightup) but didn't cash the bet.
Overall, NBA Playoff Betting Favorites this year finished 48-33-1 ATS for a solid .593 winning rate.
The Celtics finished the post-season at 16-8 versus the vig this post-season (a .667 winning rate) while the Lakers completed this latest title run while going just 12-11 spreadwise in this year's playoffs (a .522 winning percentage).
NBA FINALS BITS & PIECES
We'll remind you that our NBA Draft coverage will begin with tomorrow's Jim Sez column but first let's wrap up a few loose ends here with the NBA Finals.
Maybe it's nice of the league to have icon Bill Russell hand out the NBA Finals MVP trophy that bears his name but did anything look more awkward than Russell -the greatest Celtic of all-time -standing up there on the podium with the Lakers and actually sharing some laughs with the repeat champs?
Betcha there's some folks in Boston that are gonna not be happy with the 11-time champ for that scene ...
The ABC/ESPN folks that just brought us this NBA Finals had their only little "conflict of interest" situation.
Why exactly is Magic Johnson part of their pre-game, halftime and post-game telecasts if he's gonna be down there on the floor whooping it up with the Lakers (and you heard Commish David Stern congratulating the Magic Man for playing a part with the organization) while all the purple-and-gold confetti is flying around?
Hey, it's unprofessional for Magic to be a part of the broadcast team -and unethical for the ABC/ESPN folks to include him on a nightly basis.

[Rig]

Season finally over man

[sportfan]

Congrats to Lakers and the fans , great season

[rumple]

This thread needs to die, seasons over.

[Tommy_de1st]

This thread needs to die, seasons over.

I cannot die, are you out of your mind?
I should be just closed or frozen - thats it

[SoTxBigDog]

Great thread LB!!!! I wasnt keeping track of it till late......

I said I thought Boston was a good value at +175 when the series started, for what I thought was gonna be a coin-toss close series. And Boston was only down 3 with under 40 secs in game 7.......I'de say that was pretty close.......@ $175

Take care all and GL with the bases!!!,,,,does LB turn into Raiderboy during FB??!!??
Mabee I'll see yall during FB

[Tommy_de1st]

I cannot die, are you out of your mind?
I should be just closed or frozen - thats it

IT cannot die and IT should be closed or frozen not me

[SoV]

[migz]

Next season lb!

[necro]

Thank you for all good picks here through all season, much appreciated for sharing. Thank you again!

[EXpertcapper]

LB and PAco nice season , and i have leared things from both of you to increase the depth of handicapping

THANKS AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Goat Milk]

Special thank you to Goat Milk- he called a blowout for Lakers in game 7 but bet LA ml instead. Anyways i enjoyed his special writeups and his expert analysis.

Baseball has been brutal this year for me. I'm going on hiatus from sports wagering till the NFL comes back and then on to the NBA. But good luck my man!

HAHA why am I picturing you saying "expert analysis" tongue-in-cheek?

It's been fun shari! Hope you have a great summer (why do i feel like I'm signing a yearbook?) and I will definitely be back next year to bicker some more with Goatie. Good luck taking money from the books and see ya soon!

I guess my decision to go ML was not the right one? I was way off in my writeup before the finals began and saying Lakers win series in 7.

Anjurru I will not give this forum my write ups next year. I will keep them to myself from now on and you can ask the experts in this forum. You better hope Tealish provides insight for you guys

[Goat Milk]

[quote=Goat Milk;5046199]

Let’s just get into the keys and the important parts.

Boston is the same deadly half-court defensive team they were in 08. The 1 serious flaw with the Celtics defense that can be exploited is their transition D. The Lakers are a half-court offensive team. But think about who they have played in the Playoffs thus far. OKC, Utah, and the Suns—all fast-paced offensive teams that like to run with the rock. I think you know what I’m getting at. I was saying that for the Magic to win games they need to push the ball, Wario didn't figure it out til game 4. Magic won 2 straight.

Boston has played all half-court teams this playoffs. The Heat, the Cavs, the Magic. The Celtics wouldn’t be able to handle a fast-paced Suns team. They would wear them out over 7 games. Although some say the Lakers haven’t been tested defensively, they are a defense-in-progress, and playing against three of the best offensive teams in the league only made their defense better over the last month. Have the Celtics been challenged defensively? They guarded Lebron, but that's because Lebron doesn't have a jump shot like Kobe. D Wade destroyed the Celtics in that series. If only he had a few DECENT players....

MATCHUPS
KOBE VS. CELTICS: In 08, Kobe was too aggressive. Trying to drive and get to the rim too much. Celtics were trapping him hard when he tried to drive. Kobe will conserve his energy for the end of these games, watch. He will shoot jumpers as long as theyre testing him. . Kobe is going to start each game taking lots of jumpers, then they will realize how deadly he is from mid range and not give him space. They're finished once they try to body him up on the elbow.
*Ray Allen and Toney Allen will guard Kobe in this series.

Lets just omit this as well: Boston is not tougher than the Lakers. Mentally, the Lakers are tougher this year than they were in 08, the Celtics can get rattled easily offensively before they regroup. Physically the Celtics are tougher.
Artest vs. Pierce: Artest is one of the best covers in the league on Pierce. No strength advantage for Pierce. Artest has some of the quickest hands in the league, he knows Pierces move its a step back jumper from either elbow. Artest knows this move, whats good about Artest even though hes still not a great defensive player is that he stays down on pump fakes. Pierce will have a few huge games in this series, most likely game 3 in Boston IMO.
Artest has all the confidence in the world after that pussy buzzer beater. I knew it when I bet the Suns game 6 that Artest would be my biggest fear Hes going to be a BIG factor in this series.

Rondo vs. Kobe/Fisher/Brown: Fisher will guard Rondo to begin with, I wouldnt be surprised if Phil put Kobe on Pierce in the beginning to conserve his energy and put Ron on Ray Allen, but Kobe will make that decision himself. When Fisher is out of the game, Kobe will guard Rondo. Has anyone ever seen Kobe Bryant play defense when hes trying? Kobe will shut down Rondo. Rondo plays off the pick and roll, but playing against Kobe will intimidate him trust me. Hell hesitate to knock down the jumper.
The great thing about Rondo is that he can create his own driving lanes. He doesnt need a lane he just makes his own. Rondo better not get too fancy with the Ball against Kobe though unless he wants to get swiped. Rondo will get his against Fisher and Brown all day. I dont know when Kobe will demand to be put on Rondo. Maybe wel see it in Game 1.
There is one play the Celtics like to run in Key situations. Let rondo dribble left from the baseline area off two screens, one from ray and one from KG. KG then sets a pick for Ray and Rondo find him at the top of the key for a 3 usually.
KG Gasol: KG not the same as he was in 08. Same intensity, same focus, not the same athletically. I think KG is going to get lots of looks though off Rondo pick and Roll and Gasol will be left stranded in the lane at times. KG will play well this series. Gasol can shoot over the top of KG any day. Hes too long and KG has lost the lift in his legs.

Other matchups:
When Odom and Gasol are in the game, Rivers will use Perkins/Sheed and KG/Davis. Sheed is a solid Cover on Gasol, and Odom and KG will get the better of one another at different points in this series. Big Baby will also guard Odom throughout this series. But that is a huge mismatch in Odoms favor. When Phil sees that matchup he will tell Odom to bring the ball up the court and just take Davis off the dribble from the 3 line.
Bynum vs. Perkins/Sheed: Bynum will be solid offensively in the first 2 games of this series. Hes rested, and hes being directed to say his knee just feels okay. Hes ready to go at least for game 1-2. Perkins has a nice matchup on the offensive end, but the Celts won’t give it to him in the post .Perkins can take Bynum in the post any day if he wants.
Sheed vs. Odom- when Sheed is in the game Odom will guard him. Sheeds only advantage here is taking Odom in the post. Odom can guard him on the perimeter. Sheeds post game is nothing. It used to be amazing.
Vujacic/Bryant/Artest/Shannon Brown on Ray Allen: Ray Allen is going to have a BIG series. Vujacic is going to have to play huge minutes in this series because Phil likes his peskiness against Ray. Shannon Brown is not very good at running through screen, Ray Allen will destroy Brown, so im not even sure if Phil will toy with this idea. Kobe will guard Ray limited minutes to conserve his energy.

Celtics Bench: Marquis Daniels blows. If he plays any time in this series I wouldnt be surprised because Rivers is the worst coach in the NBA at using his bench. Ive been saying for so long why arent they playing Nate Robinson? He’s instant offense. Sure enough Marquis and Tony getting injured was a blessing in disguise for the Celtics because Rivers finally played Robinson. Robinson will play great in Boston. Sheed has been discussed. Tony Allen is just for defensive purposes, but is a solid offensive transition player. Michael Finely is washed up. **Michael Finely will hit 1 big shot for the Celts in a game. Big Baby discussed.

Lakers Bench: Vujacic will play big minutes to stay with Ray defensively. Phil will go with whoever is hot Brown or Farmar, they will both play against Nate Robinson. Powell will play minutes against Big Baby/KG. Nate Robinson is a very good defender. He might irritate these guys at different points in this series. Luke Walton will play a bit as well, hes a solid facilitator. Brown is too big for Robinson though. I think hell ask for it in the post a lot when theyre both on the floor together. Odom is a big factor for LA. Lets just say that when Odom plays well the Lakers are tough to beat.
Once the Celtics realize they cant guard Kobe the same way as they did last time, theyre going to get lost defensively and start leaving those guys for open 3s. You're not going to be able to collapse on Bryant this time, he knows where the help is coming from and will just go away from it, hes studied film for the last 2 years probably every night.

Fisher: Fisher will have a solid series. Hit a few big shots like always. Rondo defense cant really be used to Boston’s advantage guarding Fisher, Farmar, or Brown 1 on 1. Instead of shutting down a player like Mo Williams or Jameer, who need to play great for their teams to win.

**Boston will switch to the zone at some point most likely. I would be very shocked if Boston comes out with a zone to begin with, but they have definitely looked at some of the things PHX was doing. Either way, LA learned to play against an effective zone, and Boston will come out man to man game 1. Rondos speed is a big problem for Fisher and Farmar, but Bryant knows how to play him, speed becomes irrelevant when your giving the guy the jumper. Boston doesnt know any better than to play the same defense they have been playing this whole playoffs and what they played against Kobe in 08. They will make adjustments accordingly.

WHAT WILL PHIL DO?
-Lakers will fade the triangle offense at times
- Iso at the elbow with Bryant. Two man pick and roll with Kobe and Gasol/Odom on one side of the floor. If Kobe just goes away from the help hell have that running jump shot he likes so much.
- Why is Phil trying to get in Garnettes head? Come on Phil, youre not going to get in Nets head with those comments.
- Use Odom big minutes and let him basically run the point against a slow KG or Big Baby.
- Get Bynum going early
- Dont slow the ball down. Run with the ball. Get into your offensive sets very quickly.


What Will Rivers Do?
- Play Big Baby and Nate Robinson 1 and 2 off the benc
- Lots of pick and Roll sets Garnett/Big Baby and Rondo/Robinson
- Isolations for Ray Allen at times
- Try to establish KG early
- Pierce isos on the elbow as usual, Perkins/Sheed will usually set a pick for him because he's not looking to really pass off the pick and roll. He's going to the hole.
- How do you get the Lakers to collapse in paint if Pierce can't draw a double and neither can Rondo?
- Slow down the ball: take great, efficient shots, be patient on offense
- Not go for too many offensive rebounds. Get back-- transition D.

Are the Lakers a better team than they were in 08? Yes. Gasol is now a champion. Artest is much better than Ariza. Artest will prove a lot of people wrong this series. Bench has the experience and the ring. They lost Rodmanavic, no one else important. The Celtics should have swept the Lakers in 08 the way the Lakers played. Everything they did was forced.
Are the Celtics a better team than they were in 08? Yes. Rondo is much better than he was in 08. But KG is worse. Pierce and Allen are the same. The Celtics bench is worse IMO. James Posey was a huge part of that Celtics team as was Leone Powe. The only good addition this year was Nate Robinson. Sheed is too inconsistent. Posey and Powe brought it every night they were the leaders off that bench.
The Celtics are dogs though, and they thrive on being dogs. For those that think the Celtics will go down in 4 or 5 or maybe even 6 should consider this.


Rivers>Phil (no, Phil is no zen-master. They both know how to inspire their guys, but Phil is weird and doesn't make adjustments as good as Rivers)
Celtics Bench =(>) Lakers Bench
Gasol and KG will be solid all series
Odom will outlay Big Baby and Sheed
Ray Allen will have a big series
Pierce will struggle at times. He will have big games and he will have horrible games.
Artest (BUT SOLID DEFNESIVELY FOR THE MOST PART) and [B]Fisher will have a solid series[B]

Rondo will struggle at times

Kobe>Celtics
[quote]

JR007- put your writeup next to this one.

[lakerboy]

I guess my decision to go ML was not the right one? I was way off in my writeup before the finals began and saying Lakers win series in 7.

Anjurru I will not give this forum my write ups next year. I will keep them to myself from now on and you can ask the experts in this forum. You better hope Tealish provides insight for you guys

You said the lakers would win in 7- good call. You also said they would blowout boston in game 7 but took the LA ml. You tell me why i posted what i did after you said that? If you call a blowout why take a -265 ml? See you next season in NBA goat. Looking fwd to your matchup analysis picks during the regular season.

[Goat Milk]

You said the lakers would win in 7- good call. You also said they would blowout boston in game 7 but took the LA ml. You tell me why i posted what i did after you said that? If you call a blowout why take a -265 ml? See you next season in NBA goat. Looking fwd to your matchup analysis picks during the regular season.

I was wrong. I knew LA would blow them out at least one game I thought it'd be game 7 but it was game 6. No Coincidence called it the right way LA won that's all that matters for us. I have been waiting for the day Kobe wins back to back rings after shaq left just to shut up the haters. I guess they'll always have an excuse.

[IndyJonezy]

see you next season

[t-wizzle]

So this thread is still goin, eh?

So Goat, what exactly is your view on the kobe-mj talk? Bottomline i mean... you think kobe is better? I think a case can be made for kobe in the top 5 all-time but that's as far as i will go.

[ANGRYBLACK]

I grew up on the Lakers "Showtime" era. Jordan was the best to ever play. PERIOD. I just wish that I was old enough to bet on the Bulls games back then. ANYONE UNDER 30 DOES NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO SAY WHO THE BEST BASKETBALL PLAYER EVER WAS. Hell, ask who's the best ** ever and you'd be suprised at how many youngins don't say Big L, Rakim, BIG, 2pac, Em, or Nas. SMH...

[Goat Milk]

So this thread is still goin, eh?

So Goat, what exactly is your view on the kobe-mj talk? Bottomline i mean... you think kobe is better? I think a case can be made for kobe in the top 5 all-time but that's as far as i will go.

Jordan might be a little better overall, but Kobe is more impressive. You can't really use championships as an argument to say Jordan is better. That's all I have been saying. When Kobe had 3 rings, I remember how all these ESPN Analysts would say don't even put Bryant in the same sentence as Jordan. Now he wins 2 more, and everyone hops all over Kobe's cock and off of Lebron's.

Remember these were the same guys that were saying Lebron is the best player in the world and Kobe's time had passed.
ESPN analysts are so dumb, ridiculous these guys get paid for the little knowledge they have of the game.

[t-wizzle]

Kobe was also embarrassed in two Finals. He shows many flashes of brilliance and during those times he is absolutely unstoppable. He's the best closer in the game, and he's still the best player in the league. But I can't put him up there with Jordan. I'd say he's a top five player all-time though.

[IdHitThat]

Well Done BOL